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Arthor Dark
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Posted - 2009.04.01 15:11:00 -
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Looking at the Jita market for Zydrine and Megacyte I was surprised that Megacyte is going up and up and while Zydrine is going in the opposite direction. In fact, there's barely any sell order of Megacyte on the market at all, as compared to Zydrine which has millions of units on sell orders.
It just doesn't make alot of sense to me why these two minerals are not going up and down more or less in parallel, as they are both high ends and should have similar supply and demand patterns.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.04.01 15:16:00 -
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Gas cloud harvesters. They use up a lot of megacyte and no zydrine. At least that's what I suspect.
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
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Posted - 2009.04.01 15:18:00 -
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Personally I would guess this has a lot to do with the influx of minerals from empire work. Mission running recycle and Jaspet mining..
ofc the demand in production must be similarly low of ZYD, or it would follow MEG naturally.
Whats really interesting is the fixed price on MOR, considering there is plenty of it on the markets people seem to be unwilling to sell it at lower pricing..
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Romanov DeBeers
Gallente
Small Gods
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Posted - 2009.04.01 16:06:00 -
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If you look at the breakdown of the supply of mega/zyd (salvage table) you see that a larger percent of mega is supplied by loot than zyd. If a lot of mission runners are now based in w-space then there should be less loot to reprocess and therefore less mega available.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.01 16:23:00 -
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i agree dont buy mega, and keep selling zydrine ....
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.01 16:51:00 -
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My guess is that the latest wars in the South are causing it. Megacyte comes in easy to find quantity only from deep 0.0 space (or I suppose W-space) while a number of relatively safe and moderate 0,0 regions have plenty of zydrine producing ore.
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Belkadan
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:08:00 -
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I just thought it was because selling meg is crap atm. Just bought a bunch in Jita a while back hoping to truck it back to tash-murkon and make a killing. Within a couple days of my purchase, all the good buy orders were gone. Havn't seen another good one (in bulk) since.
But markets turn, and meg will do its thing...
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Arthor Dark
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Belkadan
I just thought it was because selling meg is crap atm. Just bought a bunch in Jita a while back hoping to truck it back to tash-murkon and make a killing. Within a couple days of my purchase, all the good buy orders were gone. Havn't seen another good one (in bulk) since.
But markets turn, and meg will do its thing...
What do you mean it's crap? it's up to 4k a unit right now in Jita! Selling Zyd is crap right now, it's down to almost 1600 per unit, and there's millions of units in Jita 4-4 alone.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.01 19:18:00 -
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With Delve quieting down the Russian farmers are back in action in the drone regions, coupled with increased supply from W-space and increased demand on megacyte from build requirements.
When you add that to the very unchanged low end basket you get a nice large split between the two high ends.
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Arthor Dark
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Posted - 2009.04.02 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
With Delve quieting down
You mean the opposite, right?
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
the Russian farmers are back in action in the drone regions
What do Russian farmers have to do with Delve? were they out in Delve fighting?
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
coupled with increased supply from W-space
Increased supply of what? Who in their right minds would mine regular minerals in w-space?
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
and increased demand on megacyte from build requirements.
Increased demand from what to do what? And wouldn't it also require Zydrine too?
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
When you add that to the very unchanged low end basket you get a nice large split between the two high ends.
How do you get a large split between the two high ends??
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
What annoys me is Morph.. I really wish builders would make up their minds about if they are going to use it or not.
Huh??
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Saggy Glands
Amalgamated Transport And Trade
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:30:00 -
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There was a discussion about the state of the mineral market today in SCC.
The entire mineral market seems to be depressed currently. Megacyte has actually been trending upwards along with Trit. Mexallion movement within historical bounds. Everything else appears to still be plummeting.
Zydrine is at 1 year low, but seems to have bottomed out. I bought a small position in it recently and am crossing my fingers.
However, the donchian for all of them utterly collapsing on Sunday so in general there's not healthy profits to be had.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
You mean the opposite, right?
No, there are hotspots obviously but more or less its much easier to move around than it was a month ago.
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What do Russian farmers have to do with Delve? were they out in Delve fighting?
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Increased supply of what? Who in their right minds would mine regular minerals in w-space?
Insanity knows no bounds in this game, that is one constant I've found
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Increased demand from what to do what? And wouldn't it also require Zydrine too?
Not in any amount significant enough to effect supply
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How do you get a large split between the two high ends??
All the minerals are linked to the same basket, even the highs to the lows. However the lows do not exert as much price push on the highs and vice versa but the linkage is there. With trit maxing out, the remaining minerals remaining more or less stagnant in supply and excess supply of zydrine the only natural reaction is for mega to spike.
We've seen it before, right after the drone regions released.
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 03/04/2009 18:43:42
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Arthor Dark
Increased supply of what? Who in their right minds would mine regular minerals in w-space?
Insanity knows no bounds in this game, that is one constant I've found
Attribueth ye not to madness that which ye can attribueth to boredom. Consider this scenario. You're in a wormhole with a bunch of your pals. You clean out all the exciting exploration sites and are left with some hidden belt sites. Do you a) collectively sit on your tails for a few hours, or b) mine A-B-C until another exploration site spawns?
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Do you a) collectively sit on your tails for a few hours, or b) mine A-B-C until another exploration site spawns?
D) Log on a hulk alt, hit veld in highsec while remote trading in Jita.
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Letrange
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:02:00 -
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Yep, high sec miners using wormholes. Think about it - you've got systems that regularely wander around high sec changing location every day and in them you have the occasional belt with 0.0 ores in it. Oh and these belts? just the standard ore which is actually an advantage if you want to refine in place - Bigger lot jobs instead of being mixed up with some 5% and 10% bonus stuff. Show a miner some 0.0 ore and no need to go to some alliance territory and the belts only spawn rats once a day? duuuuuuude.
The guys looking for T3 stuff need to wander round finding the crap in new wormholes all the time, meanwhile the miners just can't mine fast enough to keep up with the ore pops. Medium intensive refining arrays may not be as efficient as refining in high sec (as far as costs go) but on the flip side they're getting all those low sec ores the pirates usualy camp the crap out of and on top of that there's the occasional 0.0 ore.
End result? Lots more zydrine on the market. Lack of mega from the reduced mission running. A lot of miners are busy learning exploration.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:00:00 -
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you shouldnt buy megacyte imo :(
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Do you a) collectively sit on your tails for a few hours, or b) mine A-B-C until another exploration site spawns?
D) Log on a hulk alt, hit veld in highsec while remote trading in Jita.
Heh, MD always has sexy answers for these questions.
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