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Mark Androcius 61	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:20:00 - [1] - Quote I've been on the Singularity server for a few weeks now, it's nice, you can just go head to head with everyone and nobody gets pissed off at anyone, you can build ships for chump change and you just get more isk back from the insurance, then you ever needed to put it together. Awesome. However, i did make me realize something. I have only once won a battle, literally only once. Every other time, i either got killed because the ship i had to fight was several classes higher then me ( BS vs Dread for example ), or because i got outnumbered HEAVILY. Now on that last bit there, about being outnumbered, it annoys me greatly ( not whining though ). Every time i stand a chance of winning a fair fight, some other chaps warp in, target me and start firing away. Of course, on SiSi it's all just fun and games ( although i must admit that for some, it's very serious somehow, which is pathetic ), but this kind of stuff also happens ( a lot of the time ) on Tranq, where it is much less fun and games and very much more frustration and anger ( for a lot of players ). My point is, although i don't mind about this at all on SiSi, i have absolutely zero trouble, seeing how ridiculous and perhaps even unfair people might find it on Tranq. Now perhaps it might be an idea, to make a little change in CONCORD response times, more people firing at you, means CONCORD arrives faster. I know I'm going to get a lot of crap thrown at me for saying this, but i don't give a shyte. If you had the balls and the skill to take someone on 1v1 and come out on top, well then 10 points to you, if you need 2 or 3 or even more mates to do it.... you're just pathetic and you deserve to be shot 1 nanosecond after opening fire. Thank you for reading and good day. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?
Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 350	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:29:00 - [2] - Quote You are always outnumbered. The fact that this is sisi makes it irrelevant. Chances are people will not comes so easily to help if it was not on sisi but on Tran. I also hate the fact that for some people sisi is not about testing but about risk free pvp as you make it sound. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy African
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 901	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:30:00 - [3] - Quote Someone tried to kill your battleship in a dread? And they succeeded? "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF
Lexmana Imperial Stout 399	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:35:00 - [4] - Quote The easiest way to win a fight is to outnumber your opponent. The hard way is to play solo. It is your choice how you chose to play but this is EVE and most people really don't like to lose fights.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:42:00 - [5] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: I also hate the fact that for some people sisi is not about testing but about risk free pvp as you make it sound. I know man, people having fun without grinding for money or buying PLEX, how awful.
Samillian Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers. 132	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:57:00 - [6] - Quote Assuming your opponent is going to fight fair and honor any agreement is to lose before you engage.
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 372	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:31:00 - [7] - Quote 1st rule of pvp club is you do not whine about pvp club 2nd rule of pvp club is YOU DO NOT WHINE ABOUT PVP CLUB 3rd rule - If someone dies or warps out, the fight is over 4th rule - Fights will go on as long as they have to 5th rule - If you expect a fair fight, you are already at a disadvantage 6th rule - Include smack talk and good fights 7th rule - You are not a pvp'r until you've received a hate tell 8th rule - If this is your first night, you have to fight.
Mark Androcius 61	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:31:00 - [8] - Quote Lexmana wrote: The easiest way to win a fight is to outnumber your opponent. The hard way is to play solo. It is your choice how you chose to play but this is EVE and most people really don't like to lose fights. Your argument is exactly what is the drive for most pirate style players, which at the same time, is exactly what i meant. Maybe CCP should try to discourage many vs little PvP in some sort of way and i think the CONCORD idea i proposed could actually help out a lot. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?
Mark Androcius 61	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:33:00 - [9] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: 1st rule of pvp club is you do not whine about pvp club 2nd rule of pvp club is YOU DO NOT WHINE ABOUT PVP CLUB 3rd rule - If someone dies or warps out, the fight is over 4th rule - Fights will go on as long as they have to 5th rule - If you expect a fair fight, you are already at a disadvantage 6th rule - Include smack talk and good fights 7th rule - You are not a pvp'r until you've received a hate tell 8th rule - If this is your first night, you have to fight. So you're essentially saying, that 3 or more pirates attacking 1 Orca ( just for example ) and winning, automatically makes you a good PvP'r? If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?
Mark Androcius 61	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:37:00 - [10] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: You are always outnumbered. The fact that this is sisi makes it irrelevant. True, but that wasn't really what the post was/is about. Cannibal Kane wrote: Chances are people will not come so easily to help if it was not on sisi but on Tran. Which makes it even worse on Tranq, cause the people attacking are usually already prepared to die, while the people that "could" defend, will only have more doubt Cannibal Kane wrote: I also hate the fact that for some people sisi is not about testing but about risk free pvp as you make it sound. CCP has even setup an entire system on SiSi, just for this. Edit: Duality is the server used for all the actual testing, SiSi is for fooling around and the mass tests every once in a while. Anyway, nice seeing you on the forums every once in a while man, haven't seen you in game a lot lately. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 350	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:39:00 - [11] - Quote Mark Androcius wrote: Anyway, nice seeing you on the forums every once in a while man, haven't seen you in game a lot lately. I am online everyday for a few hours. Might just be a timezone thing. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy African
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 902	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:41:00 - [12] - Quote Mark Androcius wrote: So you're essentially saying, that 3 or more pirates attacking 1 Orca ( just for example ) and winning, automatically makes you a good PvP'r? Yes! PvP in Eve isn't just about winning the fight, it is about avoiding the fights you can't win, and finding targets you can win against. If someone has the patience to hunt down and find an Orca that they can freely attack then that took some skill or patience. Either that or the Orca pilot was really dumb. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 902	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:42:00 - [13] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: I am online everyday for a few hours. Might just be a timezone thing. Weren't you in sgt razor's corp? Think I remember you from before we moved rage alliance to low sec, how is razor nowadays? "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF
I am Infinity Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:46:00 - [14] - Quote Dude it's the test server
Mark Androcius 61	Posted - 2012.05.02 13:53:00 - [15] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: Mark Androcius wrote: So you're essentially saying, that 3 or more pirates attacking 1 Orca ( just for example ) and winning, automatically makes you a good PvP'r? Yes! PvP in Eve isn't just about winning the fight, it is about avoiding the fights you can't win, and finding targets you can win against. If someone has the patience to hunt down and find an Orca that they can freely attack then that took some skill or patience. Either that or the Orca pilot was really dumb. Hmmmm, a rather interesting and perhaps true way of looking at it. By the way, i got shot by CONCORD last night for warp scrambling a target, perhaps i missed the update notes which stated this had become a crime? or does it have something to do with the system sec rating? ( not including low sec, cause i know CONCORD doesn't go there ) If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 373	Posted - 2012.05.02 14:06:00 - [16] - Quote Mark Androcius wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: 1st rule of pvp club is you do not whine about pvp club 2nd rule of pvp club is YOU DO NOT WHINE ABOUT PVP CLUB 3rd rule - If someone dies or warps out, the fight is over 4th rule - Fights will go on as long as they have to 5th rule - If you expect a fair fight, you are already at a disadvantage 6th rule - Include smack talk and good fights 7th rule - You are not a pvp'r until you've received a hate tell 8th rule - If this is your first night, you have to fight. So you're essentially saying, that 3 or more pirates attacking 1 Orca ( just for example ) and winning, automatically makes you a good PvP'r? Well I found your problem, you are trying to pvp with a orca.
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 329	Posted - 2012.05.02 14:23:00 - [17] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: Someone tried to kill your battleship in a dread? And they succeeded? Sisi. Also, tracking dreads are ******* NASTY to fight in battleships. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter
admiral root Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis 59	Posted - 2012.05.02 14:49:00 - [18] - Quote Mark Androcius wrote: So you're essentially saying, that 3 or more pirates attacking 1 Orca ( just for example ) and winning, automatically makes you a good PvP'r? If you're not the orca pilot, it's certainly good PvP.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 903	Posted - 2012.05.02 14:54:00 - [19] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Simi Kusoni wrote: Someone tried to kill your battleship in a dread? And they succeeded? Sisi. Also, tracking dreads are ******* NASTY to fight in battleships. I'm gonna have to try that out at some point. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 374	Posted - 2012.05.02 14:54:00 - [20] - Quote And to answer your question from earlier, no, that wasn't what I was saying, that is what you are saying, do us all a favor and don't speak for me. I have a preference for ships that shoot back so to me a good pvp fight is one you walk away from, a great pvp fight is one you crawl away from with 1 hit point left.

Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 903	Posted - 2012.05.02 14:55:00 - [21] - Quote admiral root wrote: Mark Androcius wrote: So you're essentially saying, that 3 or more pirates attacking 1 Orca ( just for example ) and winning, automatically makes you a good PvP'r? If you're not the orca pilot, it's certainly good PvP. Red Galaxy versus an Orca? My money is on the orca. Oh, and thank your corp for me for all the free stuff we stole when we kicked you out of rage <3 "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1757	Posted - 2012.05.02 15:25:00 - [22] - Quote Mark Androcius wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: You are always outnumbered. The fact that this is sisi makes it irrelevant. True, but that wasn't really what the post was/is about. Cannibal Kane wrote: Chances are people will not come so easily to help if it was not on sisi but on Tran. Which makes it even worse on Tranq, cause the people attacking are usually already prepared to die, while the people that "could" defend, will only have more doubt Cannibal Kane wrote: I also hate the fact that for some people sisi is not about testing but about risk free pvp as you make it sound. CCP has even setup an entire system on SiSi, just for this. Edit: Duality is the server used for all the actual testing, SiSi is for fooling around and the mass tests every once in a while. Anyway, nice seeing you on the forums every once in a while man, haven't seen you in game a lot lately. You are incorrect about the purpose of Duality and SiSi. Duality is for specific, scheduled mass testing of a particular mechanic or bug fix. SiSi is for general testing of the new features that will be coming out in the next update or expansion. People use it as a test bed to try new ships or tactics "for free", and that's fine, but not really the main purpose of the server. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression Dragoons. 155	Posted - 2012.05.02 15:35:00 - [23] - Quote Fighting in eve isn't like dualing with pistols on a mannar lawn. It's more like walking through a bad neighourhood in "the warriors" and that's why I love it
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1122	Posted - 2012.05.02 15:39:00 - [24] - Quote Worst thread in a long time, and that is saying something. So basically, in a SANDBOX GAME you want to induce an arbitrary rule that if the server decides you outnumber the opponent, CONCORD shows up and fucks you up? This is incredibly naive. So what happens if 5 people attack my 5 people .. I can just warp 4 away and have CONCORD fight my battles? There is so much wrong with this, both on a conceptual level and one of implementation that I literally don't know where to start. No, just no. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Kievan Arakyd MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW 27	Posted - 2012.05.02 15:44:00 - [25] - Quote make fwends?
Markus Reese Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION 154	Posted - 2012.05.02 15:54:00 - [26] - Quote Remember, sisi is a Quote: TEST SERVER There will be superfriends teams running their tests, or the strange people who think a sisi km means anything. There are specific rules for sisi which make it ideal for 1 v 1 combat. Want to do 1v1, give a shout and fight anybody then have consentual pvp not at the combat beacons of the pvp system. Pvp is allowed outside the beacons providing is consentual Under this rule, if you agree to a 1v1, if somebody else comes and helps or interferes, that is petitionable as a violation of the Sisi rules. Provided the combat wasn't at a CA beacon.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2012.05.02 16:53:00 - [27] - Quote Mark Androcius wrote: By the way, i got shot by CONCORD last night for warp scrambling a target, perhaps i missed the update notes which stated this had become a crime? or does it have something to do with the system sec rating? ( not including low sec, cause i know CONCORD doesn't go there ) Pretty sure all offensive EWar is a criminal action. Otherwise newbie missioners would be plagued with people scanning them down, webbing/scramming/target painting them and scooping the resulting loot. Oh, and enforced arena dueling isn't allowed because it'd ruin world pvp, probably. Atleast that's the experience with other MMOs. Why take the risk of going on a roam when you can get a guaranteed "fair" fight much more conveniently.
Nephilius Knights of Athena Star Council 377	Posted - 2012.05.02 21:44:00 - [28] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: 1st rule of pvp club is you do not whine about pvp club 2nd rule of pvp club is YOU DO NOT WHINE ABOUT PVP CLUB 3rd rule - If someone dies or warps out, the fight is over 4th rule - Fights will go on as long as they have to 5th rule - If you expect a fair fight, you are already at a disadvantage 6th rule - Include smack talk and good fights 7th rule - You are not a pvp'r until you've received a hate tell 8th rule - If this is your first night, you have to fight. I find it ironic that you would use rules pertaining to an organization that promotes fighting in a one on one format, even going so far as to exclude the rule "Only two men to a fight." in order to make PvP in Eve seem edgy or cool. Eve and WoW are two games I would NEVER expect a fair fight. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance.
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 585	Posted - 2012.05.02 21:56:00 - [29] - Quote If you fight 1v1 one on the test server you are guarenteed that your opponent will have 1. Booster alt 2. full set of pirate implants 3. be full of drugs 4. be overheating the entire time never forget all of that I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 382	Posted - 2012.05.02 22:15:00 - [30] - Quote Nephilius wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: 1st rule of pvp club is you do not whine about pvp club 2nd rule of pvp club is YOU DO NOT WHINE ABOUT PVP CLUB 3rd rule - If someone dies or warps out, the fight is over 4th rule - Fights will go on as long as they have to 5th rule - If you expect a fair fight, you are already at a disadvantage 6th rule - Include smack talk and good fights 7th rule - You are not a pvp'r until you've received a hate tell 8th rule - If this is your first night, you have to fight. I find it ironic that you would use rules pertaining to an organization that promotes fighting in a one on one format, even going so far as to exclude the rule "Only two men to a fight." in order to make PvP in Eve seem edgy or cool. Eve and WoW are two games I would NEVER expect a fair fight. Well that's nifty I guess that you find the list ironic. This list is a variation of one I made for AOC, the main differences being that I didn't allow smacktalk and there was no pad camping. Personally I never expect a fair fight in any game. It's human behavior for competitive people to find any advantage they can, even if it includes cheating. This isn't a cheat though, outnumbering your opponent has been a long time strategic advantage.



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