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Wynn Ciari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Wynn Ciari on 02/04/2009 04:15:26 Edited by: Wynn Ciari on 02/04/2009 04:12:06 This is a posted response to a Ninja Salvaging post by Kahega Amielden. The original post can be found here, I'm posting it here for reasons that I will explain later.
Greetings all. In the spirit of this thread, I'm going to hijack it and attempt to turn it into something that will annoy and hinder the OP.
First off, salvaging someone else's wrecks out from under them is stealing. That much is obvious. How is it that looting a wreck is stealing, but salvaging it and taking everything isn't? You are undercutting someone else's work, taking something they fought and risked their necks for, and you aren't asking. Even kindergartners should know this part.
That said, I have nothing against stealing in and of itself. It's part of the game and I welcome it along with piracy, extortion and all the other goodies of a truly open universe. What annoys me, and many others here is the fact that the OP seems to be too much of a p**** to do it out in low sec, where he might actually have to have some balls. Then you have the gall to call other people "care bears" when by your own admission you're doing this in high sec. Try that horse **** out in low sec and then you can call others names, otherwise your just a punk hiding behind game mechanics and Concord.
On top of that, you're obviously doing it just to be a jerk. If you don't believe me, then why did the OP state that "the sweet sound of missionrunners' whining" was a benefit on line two of his first post? Playing the game is one thing, stealing is one thing, but this kind of juvenile c*** belongs in eighth grade.
Well, how to deal with it. I have two solutions, and here they are. The first is that when I'm being ninja'd, to simply cut off the food supply. I won't whine (that encourages them,) I'll simply start shooting wrecks, let the ninja know I won't stop and keep shooting until he leaves. He'll get a few I'm sure, but the rest will simply be lost. Alternatively, I can simply leave. The OP suggested both of these things in his original post, then goes to suggest how to deal with it. Well, his tactics are weak, he knows it, and he's trying to discourage people from countering because he's a chicken sh***. It's counter a**hole tactics I realize, but others seem to consider this a zero sum game, and after a few minutes most of the *****s will simply leave. Even if you don't I have no problem at all, my missiles are faster than your afterburner and I've got plenty of em. I may not make any money off of it, but I'll at least get the satisfaction that I've wasted as much of your time as you've wasted of mine. Not to mention that I know that at least a few of you will be stupid (or clumsy) try something more aggressive, and then the next wreck you'll be salvaging will be your own. I encourage others to do this as well. The more common scorched earth is, the easier the problem will be.
My second solution? Bumping. I'll bump this thread often, and encourage others to do so. I'll also be posting this to other forums, (complete with a link to this thread) and bumping those to. I want to encourage others to deny the ninjas their prizes and shoot their wrecks. The more it happens the more of you *****s might actually go looking for real jobs and not just irritating the rest of us. I also want to encourage other would be ninjas out there to take up this profession. The more of you out there, the more of you to go bumping into each other and the less you will have to gain. Honestly Kahega, if it's such a great idea, shouldn't you have kept it to yourself? If it becomes enough of a problem, CCP might take an interest and change the game mechanic. It would only take a few lines of code, then it's open season.
Well, there are my two cents, I encourage all of you to bump and flame and do whatever you like.
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Mark Hazard
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:41:00 -
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Good luck with that I really dont like it when someone else takes what should be mine after all I make more isk sometimes off the salvage than I do the loot and so well anyway good luck
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:49:00 -
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Quote: First off, salvaging someone else's wrecks out from under them is stealing. That much is obvious. How is it that looting a wreck is stealing, but salvaging it and taking everything isn't? You are undercutting someone else's work, taking something they fought and risked their necks for, and you aren't asking. Even kindergartners should know this part.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
"Salvaging" is a profession for people who like to roam around and harvest wrecks. It's not loot, it's not yours.
Quote: That said, I have nothing against stealing in and of itself. It's part of the game and I welcome it along with piracy, extortion and all the other goodies of a truly open universe. What annoys me, and many others here is the fact that the OP seems to be too much of a p**** to do it out in low sec, where he might actually have to have some balls. Then you have the gall to call other people "care bears" when by your own admission you're doing this in high sec. Try that horse **** out in low sec and then you can call others names, otherwise your just a punk hiding behind game mechanics and Concord.
Oh wow, and here comes the rage . Please link me to where I "Called people names". Also, when I'm not ninjaing, I frequently do lowsec exploration and lead corp ops in wormhole space. Nice try, though.
Quote: On top of that, you're obviously doing it just to be a jerk. If you don't believe me, then why did the OP state that "the sweet sound of missionrunners' whining" was a benefit on line two of his first post? Playing the game is one thing, stealing is one thing, but this kind of juvenile c*** belongs in eighth grade.
Ninjasalvaging in and of itself is fun. Grown men throwing temper tantrums over internet spaceships is just icing.
Quote: HOLY **** I FIGURED OUT THAT I CAN SHOOT WRECKS
For one...what makes you think we care if you pop the wrecks? I love it. When you do this, I make a point of going around to each and every wreck...even more fun if they're drone wrecks. You assume ninjas are all desperately in need of cash
Leaving does nothing...I usually BM multiple sites at a time. I'll just come back in a few minutes after ninjaing someone else's mission...either that, or just speedtank the damn thing (level 4 rats can't hit nanofrigs very well)
As far as "Trying something more aggressive"...I've heard of many MRs CONCORDing themselves on ninjas...but never the reverse.
Quote: My second solution? Bumping. I'll bump this thread often, and encourage others to do so. I'll also be posting this to other forums, (complete with a link to this thread) and bumping those to. I want to encourage others to deny the ninjas their prizes and shoot their wrecks. The more it happens the more of you *****s might actually go looking for real jobs and not just irritating the rest of us. I also want to encourage other would be ninjas out there to take up this profession. The more of you out there, the more of you to go bumping into each other and the less you will have to gain. Honestly Kahega, if it's such a great idea, shouldn't you have kept it to yourself? If it becomes enough of a problem, CCP might take an interest and change the game mechanic. It would only take a few lines of code, then it's open season.
I like you. In fact, you amuse me so much that I'll make a post on my corp forums so we can keep this thread bumped for you.
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wynn Ciari First off, salvaging someone else's wrecks out from under them is stealing. That much is obvious.
Mmmm.... obvious to... you only? Salvaging is open to anyone, and it's as much a game mechanic as undocking. It's a separate profession, as is exploration. Someone spending time to be good at exploration and finding mission sites spends as much in skills as you do to run missions, so they're entitled to reap the rewards of their training as much as you are. Yes, they're annoying, but it's your fault for not salvaging your own wrecks.
Oh, and they're not doing it to be jerks, they're doing it because it's a reliable means of making ISK, especially in crowded mission hubs. Some of them act like jerks because they're responding to your emorage when they show up to salvage your wrecks.
So on how to deal with them: 1) salvage your own mission wrecks; 2) destroy your mission wrecks to avoid salvagers from profiting; 3) move your mission hub to a lonelier system that doesn't attract ninja salvagers.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:55:00 -
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Paging Suddenly Ninjas Forumwarrior DivisionÖ
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wynn Ciari I'll also be posting this to other forums, (complete with a link to this thread) and bumping those to.
That's a good way to get your posts removed, or even get banned. Cross-posting is against the forum TOS.
Quote: 14. Redundant threads will be deleted.
As a courtesy to others before beginning a new thread, please look to see if an active thread on that topic has already been established. If so, place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forum needlessly and many good ideas may be lost. Keep discussions about one topic to one thread only.
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wynn Ciari
whine whine whine whine
HEY GUYZ LETS SHOOT OUR WREKCS LOLZ
There's a reason the alliance is called "Tears".
Also, my simple quote for Salvage, regardless of everything else: If it was stealing, you could shoot us.
Thread moderated -5, "Just another rehash of the mission runners wanting ISK, and not getting the clue that CCP doesn't see it that way."
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wynn Ciari
My second solution? Bumping. I'll bump this thread often, and encourage others to do so.
Yes, because this worked so well before!
You and 'Fullmetal Jackass' need to have a mission runner OMG TEH BAD NINJAS party, or something.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:03:00 -
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To be fair, Fullmetaljackass just bumps threads in F&I and thinks that if people whine loud enough, CCP will change it. This thread right here is just Grade A Tears
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:04:00 -
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Oh, and please, shoot your wrecks. I'll hang around and watch, to make sure you do. And enjoy knowing you are doing it out of frustration. :D
Bonus: You don't get loot OR salvage!
and then eventually you'll figure out it's actually more profitable for you, to let us salvage and you take the loot.
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Velocity Prime
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:06:00 -
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This thread is the essence of fail. It's too long and it's all been said a million times before. The fact is that I have your salvage and I love to hear you cry about it.
Oh and it's nice of you to post the exact same thing in multiple threads. Just next time make sure to post with your main so we all know who to laugh at when we pass through your mission.
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Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:06:00 -
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The fact that this exact same thread is posted on a regular basis with all the same replies never ceases to amaze me. You sir, lose the internet.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:12:00 -
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1. Let them salvage your **** because they put the effort to find it and you're just wasting your time otherwise
2. Slap yourself for missioning in a busy system
3. GTFO of Motsu/Irjunen/Dodixie or whatever other crowded hub you're living in
4. ???
5. Profit! (No, really, you will)
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 02/04/2009 05:13:40
Originally by: Wet Ferret 1. Let them salvage your **** because they put the effort to find it and you're just wasting your time otherwise
2. Slap yourself for missioning in a busy system
3. GTFO of Motsu/Irjunen/Dodixie or whatever other crowded hub you're living in
4. ???
5. Profit! (No, really, you will)
And it took thirteen posts for this thread to reveal a -real- anti-ninja strategy Good show sir, but fortunately (for us) you will be ignored.
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Glyn Davish
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:19:00 -
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All Suddenly Ninjas is doing is making your mission easier by increasing your FPS.
If anything, you should pay them for an otherwise thankless job.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:21:00 -
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90% of mission runners I come across in Dodi don't even salvage their own crap, they just whine when I come in to make money off trash they're not going to touch.
The loot is yours, the wreck is FFA. Get over it.
This is the only MMO where the loot is still available once a corpse has been scavenged, count yourself lucky. === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:31:00 -
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I can't believe of all the forums he decided to crosspost in, he copied this thread into C&P.
That's right. He reposted his rage-filled rant and attempted to drum up support from the pirate forum.
I smell a troll.
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Ebolak
Vengeance Asset Relocation Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:31:00 -
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Shoot the wrecks.... I will just go for the ones with loot in them first so you can destroy all your hard earned loots. I will also stay around till you are done the mission to make sure you clean up all the mess youve made. If you honestly think that shooting the wrecks makes ninjas mad, you should see the laughs in corp/alliance/ninja chat when you do it.
When you leave the mission, I just speed tank the aggro untill Ive looted and salvaged whatever youve killed. I may have to warp in and out a few times, but I will get it done.
The big talk about how you will make the next wreck ours, is just that. I loot every mission I fly into, and less than 20% (estimate) of the time I get shot at. I would actually like to see that number increased if you can help figure a way to make more mission runners shoot me. The value of the mission goes up exponentialy when we can come back and salvage your ship too
You say its stealing and the devs say its not
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=508034&page=9
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=766902&page=1
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=971872&page=1
but if you do whine enough and cry enough to have the mechanics changed, you can hold your head high knowing that it was your tears that helped to make eve a fairer, safer, kinder, and gentler place for all to play.... (insert barf emoticon here)
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Ultranoia
Laughing Hyena Salvage and Acquisition Bureau
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:12:00 -
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Quote: I may not make any money off of it, but I'll at least get the satisfaction that I've wasted as much of your time as you've wasted of mine.
Not really.
As a fledgling salvager I am already amazed at some of the counter-tactics employed by the more common species of mission panda.
When I salvage from missioners I usually have several missions bookmarked. If you are warping off then I put my salvagers to work elsewhere. And as I have established scan points I don't have to warp into the deadspace to know of your return.
If it seems that you pussied out for good, and depending on the amounts of wrecks left, I might give the bookmark to someone who can clear the rest of the deadspace. Or I put on my robe and wizard hat and snatch the remains while flying a sturdier space boat.
As for shooting wrecks it is really your loss, not mine.
The only valid counter tactic (apart from moving to a less crowded system) is to be a competitor. Call in some corp mates, pay someone to salvage for you, use your eleven alts etc.
Yeah, you may still loose some of the wrecks but in this way you at least tried to put some intelligent effort into your counter.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden smell a troll.
Reporting! o7
Oh wait.. you mean the OP...
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wynn Ciari
<longest whine ever>
You sound like a former victim. Do I know you from somewhere?
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Paging Suddenly Ninjas Forumwarrior DivisionÖ
REPORTING FOR DOOTY SAH!
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Paging Suddenly Ninjas Forumwarrior DivisionÖ
REPORTING FOR DOOTY SAH!
reporting for doody?? wot??
OH JORDAN!! IM GETTING FORUM MARRIED!!!!!
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Paging Suddenly Ninjas Forumwarrior DivisionÖ
REPORTING FOR DOOTY SAH!
reporting for doody?? wot??
OH JORDAN!! IM GETTING FORUM MARRIED!!!!!
DON'T WORRY LUV, IT'LL BE AWRIGHT FRUM HEERE ON IN!
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gaijiin pok
Nox Noctis Industrius
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:00:00 -
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I can understand why your upset, but its easily countered, watch your scanner closely several times a minute, when you see cbt probes leave... come back in 5 minutes or so, have a corp mate salvage for you or dont salvage at all and finish the mission faster than if you salvaged.... if they are in a small ship leave and get a brutix/ thorax or something else and suicide them..
pretty easy if you ask me...
the best tears are from the peeps you take their ships from when you didnt have aggro
Pok
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: gaijiin pok I can understand why your upset
I'm not upset.. I LOVE HIM!
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: gaijiin pok I can understand why your upset
I'm not upset.. I LOVE HIM!
WHY NOT ME? DAMN DAMN DAMN!
*perhaps it's because I like booty too much
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: gaijiin pok I can understand why your upset
I'm not upset.. I LOVE HIM!
WHY NOT ME? DAMN DAMN DAMN!
*perhaps it's because I like booty too much
I've just always.. you know.. thought you were one of the girls.. if you get what i mean...
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/04/2009 07:15:00
Quote:
How is it that looting a wreck is stealing, but salvaging it and taking everything isn't? You are undercutting someone else's work, taking something they fought and risked their necks for, and you aren't asking. Even kindergartners should know this part
Did ya know that the above could be easily adapted to describe most of the activities in EvE?
What do you think is, when a guy undercuts you by 0.1ISK, or crashes your market to drive you out? What do you think are those gate campers doing? How would you label a big alliance systematically grabbing 0.0 space off another?
Quote:
[wall of whine]
I won't whine...
Solution: if you are so annoyed, install 1 salvager on your ship and salvage the wrecks as you progress in the mission? Use an alt with a salvage ship near yours?
Wreck ninjas won't come if you let 1 wreck in space at a time.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: gaijiin pok I can understand why your upset
I'm not upset.. I LOVE HIM!
WHY NOT ME? DAMN DAMN DAMN!
*perhaps it's because I like booty too much
I've just always.. you know.. thought you were one of the girls.. if you get what i mean...
Naw, I'm just confused *sniff*
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