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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:24:00 -
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When I started 5 years ago or so, it used to be a thing that someone would come in in the myrmidon (before its nerf) and it would really clean out all the hulks before help arrive. You would say to yourself , well he was in the op myrmidon back then and it does require a significant training time to get it all going.
Now with the buff of destoroyers, it has become an issue for hulk. I believe this is something CCP did not think about when they buffed the destroyer and now they dont know what to do.
CCP has identified issues with ships like frigates, cruiser, destroyers, dreads, cariers, super carriers, titans and have made good changes to them for the most part. I do feel however that they have neglected the miners again.
I always felt that the loss of 3m vs 200m+ is just too one sided. Not even faction fitted works for the hulks.
The thing that worries me more is that the amount of training time required to get a hulk vs a suicide (no tank needed) destoyer or even inferior ship. I think all you need is 2 weeks of training vs 2 months of training without counting the cost difference for a hulk.
While it is true that no one should feel safe in high sec by any means, it is also true that 2 destroyers have it too easy.
I do feel CCP had just gone a tad too far and should really reavaluate a buff to hulk specially since they have buffed every ship class out there besides barges.
EDIT: I am not a miner and the last time i mined was when i got my ship blown up as the above story a long long time ago. But i am also not blind and i see whats wrong with the game atm. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
72
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 15:42:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.
this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:54:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred. this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine?
I am not sure i follow.
ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the bpc and the covetor all add up. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
72
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 16:06:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred. this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine? I am not sure i follow. ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the hulk bpc and the "waist" in the bpc and covetor all add up. The combined total cost of the basic minerals, research, and invention components of Hulk production are significantly lower than 100 million ISK. The majority of the price tag comes from the moon goo that is used to build the T2 components. If you don't like Hulk prices, stop blaming destroyers, and instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap.
jeez you are an angry boy. I didnt realise that till now. So now you are saying that the reasons for the price been so high is not your corp mates but the people that has moon gooo. Well at least now you yourself said it who is really responsable for the price been high and not blaming someone else as in the above post. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:14:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap. Given CCP has on multiple occasions said they'll be nerfing those moons it seems like an awful lot of trouble to form a coalition to take something that might disappear ten minutes afterwards. It make much more sense to not mine in hulks and see how it shakes out in a few months. I agree with you, however, I'd like to point out that this would essentially entail the same thing: the whiners having to make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal. This is something that will never happen, because it's simply easier for them to whine to get what they want.
one would argue the same thing for all those people "whining" about super caps and destroyers before they got nerfed or buffed. You could also call them whiners for not " make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal". Oh sorry i forgot, didnt they whine till they got nerfed or buffed? |
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