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ikillu532
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:46:00 -
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As the topic says, I'm wondering to tank passively or actively with a Raven, or maybe not tank at all.
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Shadow Devourer
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:52:00 -
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PVE: active. The raven's passive recharge sucks.
PVP: buffer tank it, with tackle e-war in spare slots. Or active tank it for small gang stuff.
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Kirzath
Sinister Elite
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:06:00 -
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Yes.
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Vindarten
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Vindarten on 05/04/2009 02:12:25
Active definitely. I've tried passive............I'll find the kill-mail if you really wanna see it :P
Edit: NM, forgot NPCs don't generate those.
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Min Mae
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Posted - 2009.04.05 03:25:00 -
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I passive fit mine. Does just fine in pve with proper resists. Missles use no cap so why not. Even the active resists last a hella long time.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.04.05 04:39:00 -
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Active for PVP absolutely, passive is crap for PVE in a raven.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 04:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Asuka Smith
Active for PVP absolutely, passive is crap for PVE in a raven.
No, passive for PVP.
Active for PvE.
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Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.04.05 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kirzath
Yes.
I agree.
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dairusire
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Posted - 2009.04.05 07:01:00 -
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mate go passive for PVP as they always suck everything out of your cap instantly.... for PVE just go with the standard active tank as its quite simple realy...
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.05 08:11:00 -
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For PvE it does not matter which method you choose. Both passive and active have the same damage output and both can tank the missions without a problem.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.05 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Devourer
PVE: active. The raven's passive recharge sucks.
PVP: buffer tank it, with tackle e-war in spare slots. Or active tank it for small gang stuff.
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Noodly Appendage
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Posted - 2009.04.05 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
For PvE it does not matter which method you choose. Both passive and active have the same damage output and both can tank the missions without a problem.
I'm sorry but passive raven sucks donkeyballs
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 05/04/2009 16:23:43
Noodly Appendage said "I'm sorry but passive raven sucks donkeyballs"
How so? It does the same damage output and tanks the mission without a problem the two key factors for a PvE setup. If the passive setup suck donkeyballs then so does the active tank. After all you are not going do the mission any faster in an active tank.
It doesn't matter which works better when both work perfectly without problems.
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
How so? It does the same damage output and tanks the mission without a problem the two key factors for a PvE setup.
That's only true if you can fit the same damage modules on both ships. Realistically, you'll need more mods to make a passive shielder tank as much as an active shielder, so you could be taking away damage mods to make a passive shield tank work good enough.
Moreover, you can't rely on EFT alone to make that comparison unless you do some complex DPS graphs. EFT for example doesn't show any damage output increase from fitting a painter, but realistically it's nearly as effective as fitting an additional launcher, especially against smaller ships. A passive setup is unlikely to allow you to fit a painter on a Raven and still have sufficient shielding to survive L4's.
Bottom line: it's not an absolute answer about a passive Raven having the same damage output as an active Raven just because both have the same number of launchers and BCUs.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 05/04/2009 18:30:36
Passive Buffer for missions is fine. I used to do it on my Raven when I was building standings for a jump clone. I didn't bother with rigs unless I was pulling double duty with the Raven for pvp.
Buffer for missions = NO SHIELD POWER RELAYS. I hate that module with a passion - it ruins so many Caldari ships.
Low slots on buffer Raven is 3-4 Ballistic Controls and a Damage Control (for added shield resists.)
Mids are 4 active racial resists (2 primary 2 secondary - ie 2 kinetic 2 thermal for guristas), and 2 large shield extenders
You can swap out 1 secondary racial resist for a target painter (HIGHLY recommended).
Use a mix of 5x medium T2 drones and 5x T2 light drones. They pop frigs for you. Added bonus, when you TP a frig - your medium drones pop them really fast.
The idea behind passive buffer for a mission is, high damage output to wipe out incoming DPS before your buffer runs out.
It requires decent skills, and active participation. The end result is finishing boring PVE faster, than some active tank Raven going for max active tank, and only fitting 2 ballistic controls.
P.S. Buffer Raven is much more disconnection friendly. 
*EDIT* To be honest, my 3x T2 ballistic control 7x T2 Heavy Missile drake finishes missions just as fast as a Raven. You might want to use that instead. Heavy missiles > cruise missiles IMHO (overall considering the type and size of NPC's in level 4's - ofc I'm using FURY T2 Heavies).
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:39:00 -
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Passive tank on a raven is doable, but you want active because you can get an active tank that is just as good (often better with faction/deadspace mods) as a passive tank but do more damage.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:39:00 -
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There is no way an active tank can do more damage than a passive tank. Sure the active tank can get a better tank but not more damage. But even so the passive tank with 3 damage mods and a target painter is enough tank for most if not all missions.
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Noodly Appendage
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Posted - 2009.04.06 04:52:00 -
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You are totally forgoing the fact that the raven when fit for passive tank simply doesn't recharge enough hp/s to tank most lvl 4's.
So passive raven sucks donkeyballs.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.04.06 05:39:00 -
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A passive tank is not the same as a buffer tank FFFFF
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.06 07:50:00 -
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Noodly Appendage said "You are totally forgoing the fact that the raven when fit for passive tank simply doesn't recharge enough hp/s to tank most lvl 4's."
Just under a 400dps tank with a buffer, 3 damage mod and target painter is more than enough for missions. I know it's enough tank because I fly my Kronos with a similar build.
You use the 80+% reistance and buffer to kill the rats then when the buffer gets lower you fall back to the just under 400dps tank. Most battleships have more then enough recharge and HP/S to tank lvl 4's.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: GyokZoli on 06/04/2009 09:43:14
Originally by: ikillu532
As the topic says, I'm wondering to tank passively or actively with a Raven, or maybe not tank at all.
Contrary to popular belief, passive tanking works well with a CNR (maybe also for simple Raven). But then you have no low slot left for BCUs, so if you want some firepower you still need to active tank it.
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Azver Deroven
Amarr
Legion Of The ShiningStar
Brotherhood of Legion's
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:47:00 -
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You could either do as pottsey says, or use active fit with those 3 damage mods and +900 sustained 2-damage type active tank.
Wichever is your call. I aint got experience with raven so my view is based on corp mate's usage of said ship, and what little EFT warrior *******s I've done. So my experience is less than perfect, then again I dont think kronos substitutes raven either :P
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:51:00 -
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Depends on the purpose...
* Seen plated Ravens that worked well for PvP...
* Seen/used active tanked Ravens that tanked a lot in PVP and PVE...
* Seen active armor tanks that I laughed at...but that's just me...
* Seen/used passive tanked/buffer tanked ravens (never without 3x BCUs) that worked just fine for ratting in 0.0...
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