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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:20:00 -
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From time to time there are reports about NPC corporation activities, in particular their financial status, AGMs etc.
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Ishukone Stock Stumbles On Profit Warnings, Indecision
reported by: ISD Katerina Markova | 2009.03.30 18:25:12
Jita û Ishukone announced that first quarter profits this year would be less than half what the corporation had predicted at the end of last quarter, triggering a sell off today ...
What if we could take part in this and buy their Shares (that are tradeable on market, the "price history" in the market tabs could serve as a stock chart/index).
By buying those NPC corporation shares (or getting them in another way), we could participate in their well-being, and their times of crisis by not getting dividends when they stumble financially.
The dividends they'd pay could be either random or depend on how much isk the corporations generated at their outpost (part of the trading-, repair-, cloning- and reprocessing fees).
When there are news that a corporation of our faction is in financial needs, we could help them by massive investments, using their stations, buying their products, doing missions for them etc. or caring in another way for the corporation, that we invest our isk in.
Since shares already exist in game (Ishukone for example has 19.893.328.259 Shares) and the voting and dividend payment mechanics are already implemented as well, this shouldn't be too much work, but could result in level of market realism, that has been never seen before in a Mmorpg.
Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88 |
JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.05 15:37:00 -
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would be a cool idea if someone figured out a way to do it. Supported.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 05/04/2009 16:34:13
The difficult part of this proposal is having computer-generated share price fluctuations that feel real while not being overpowered as an investment tool. I don't want a CCP employee to have to create fake financials for a hundred NPC corps, and I don't want a rate of return that beggars the player banks. If it can be implemented well I'm for it, but I'd rather not have it at all than have a mediocre implementation.
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iudex
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.06 15:32:00 -
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Yes, an appropriate implementation is very important in this field.
But i think most of the required components are already in game.
As mentioned in the OP, the share system (voting, dividends etc.) is already in game, although only for player corporations so far. The amount of outposts a NPC corporation have, the number of shares, the isk paid by capsuleers in those outposts are known as well. The "price history" window serves perfectly as a stock index, the market system, the auctions contracts all that are components that already exist and have to be put together.
The shares could be given out in IPOs (if CCP decides that it needs an isk sinks) buy market orders or contract auctions. Or in trade for loyalty points, for tags, or other things. Poksu Mineral Group could give a share to a person of good standing for 10000 units of Veldspar for example.
Unlike other new things it wouldn't require a lot of extra work, just a good economical balancing, but i think CCP has qualified people who can do this properly (thinking of Dr. EyjoG here in particular). While many other mmorpgs have auctions and item markets, a stock market and player-owned NPC entities are AFAIK unprecedented in the mmorpg genre and suit perfectly into the Eve philosophy of a player-driven market.
Just imagine what new aspects this might bring to Eve. If for example people can have some basic influence on corporate policy by voting (e.g. 1 vote per share, on things like small changes in tax rates, hiring/firing agents etc.) this could motivate corporations or alliances to strife for supremacy within the corporation, buying all available shares in order to become a major shareholder and, getting the share price up, manipulating the market etc.
Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88 |
Steve Floros
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Posted - 2009.04.07 15:09:00 -
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Supported
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Justice Forever
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Posted - 2009.04.07 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Justice Forever on 07/04/2009 15:10:20
I like it. Would be cool. supported
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Aethrwolf
Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aethrwolf on 07/04/2009 19:14:47
I like it, but what happens to pilots who buy shares while thier standings are high and them lose said standings? I also think there would have to be a limit on the number of shares players could own in any one corporation, also.. no voting as I dont want to deal with an NPC corp that has been effectively taken over by a player corp/alliance, and you KNOW some of the alliances in game would attempt to do so just to try and screw over the high-sec players.
edit: forgot to support
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Ankhesentapemkah
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.07 21:29:00 -
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There was a news thingie once with share prices of an NPC corp in it, and the whole corp's worth was around 10 bil or something in that area. I can't remember the details but it was interesting regardless.
What if an invididual buys out all/majority of the shares? Or will only small parts of the shares get circulated?
Anyway, I like the idea, and the details can be let to CCP.
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Ruri Dant
Onorata Societa
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Posted - 2009.04.08 09:33:00 -
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maybe the share fluctuations could be based on FW happenings? |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ruri Dant
maybe the share fluctuations could be based on FW happenings?
That's an interesting thought. In FW news there is an announcement related to this:
Colonists Flock To War-Torn Sector
reported by: ISD Aberlaine Tepis | 2009.04.03 18:13:59
Saisio - Amid still-raging hostilies between militia forces, Caldari interests are looking forward to harvesting the riches of the Black Rise region. Kaalakiota, Lai Dai and other mega-corporations within the State announced large-scale projects last week, followed by equally determined independent ventures.á
So if we secure the space, help our corporations to settle down, they might reward us with stocks - or at least their stock price could rise.
Apart from that militia corporation stocks and their profits could rise, the more systems are occupied by the militia. Only problem i see here is that the opposite faction could buy those stock and then lose on purpose, in order to make a profit, like in those boxing movies.
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Barstander
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
There was a news thingie once with share prices of an NPC corp in it, and the whole corp's worth was around 10 bil or something in that area. I can't remember the details but it was interesting regardless.
What if an invididual buys out all/majority of the shares? Or will only small parts of the shares get circulated?
Anyway, I like the idea, and the details can be let to CCP.
I can speak to the buying out of shares, The way many corps in the real world do it is they have reserve shares or shares that are worth more voting rights than others (different classes). Hence, they never make more that 50% control available for buying.
In this case, an NPC corp could make 49% of the shares open for purchase and retain 51%. Accordingly, somebody could become a major investor, but actual control would never be lost.
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