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R3DSt0rm	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:54:00 - [1] I play EVE and WOW. Its just another game, it has its entertainments and uses (ganking noobs in Hillsbrad never gets old). What does it matter if some of the terminology that is common to MMOs splashes over to EVE? People still know what you are talking about if you call a corp a guild. Why would you care? What difference does it make?
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.04.07 18:59:00 - [2] you might get the enlightment on day. One can only hope
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:00:00 - [3] WoW is a PC game for console gamers. ----------- Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
UMEE Tactical Initiative Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:00:00 - [4] EVE players like to think theyre different. been playing both games for 3 years, and guess what. youre not that different. also sci fi geek vs fantasy geek...guess what, both groups are sad. oh i feel so
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:01:00 - [5] Because of the numerous WoW players who come to EVE and expect it to be the same in terms of "levelling", in terms of PvE, in terms of safety, and in terms of lossless PvP, and then go about trying to change EVE into WoW because they feel so completely lost in this completely different game… The terminology and the attempts at change have a tendency to come from the same people. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:05:00 - [6] in b4 flames "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Daelorn	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:06:00 - [7] I play WoW but I started way after starting EVE. Its not a bad game at all but WoW is the complete opposite of what we want EVE to be. We want to blow **** up and ruin someones day. People in WoW don't want that.
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Daelorn I play WoW but I started way after starting EVE. Its not a bad game at all but WoW is the complete opposite of what we want EVE to be. We want to blow **** up and ruin someones day. People in WoW don't want that. Yes they do. They just don't want to risk having their own day ruined in the process. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Tippia Because of the numerous WoW players who come to EVE and expect it to be the same in terms of "levelling", in terms of PvE, in terms of safety, and in terms of lossless PvP, and then go about trying to change EVE into WoW because they feel so completely lost in this completely different gameà The terminology and the attempts at change have a tendency to come from the same people. Dont forget the equation of how good a game is with how many subscribers it has
R34PER Caldari Imperial Ravens	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:19:00 - [10] Originally by: UMEE EVE players like to think theyre different. been playing both games for 3 years, and guess what. youre not that different. This. Every time the word "WOW" is mentioned, all forum warriors gather up to stroke their ego, how they're so awesome playing a game that's not World of Warcraft. I can say pretty surely that most of these ragers have never tried the "other" game, and rage fueled by their false assumptions based on the first 30 minutes of gameplay. I would like to see them at level 70 killing un-nerfed Kael'thas and writhing in pain because "it's soo hard OMGGGG". Not meaning to brag, but atleast I proved myself by accomplishing that, and much more
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:21:00 - [11] Originally by: R34PER Originally by: UMEE EVE players like to think theyre different. been playing both games for 3 years, and guess what. youre not that different. This. Every time the word "WOW" is mentioned, all forum warriors gather up to stroke their ego, how they're so awesome playing a game that's not World of Warcraft. I can say pretty surely that most of these ragers have never tried the "other" game, and rage fueled by their false assumptions based on the first 30 minutes of gameplay. I would like to see them at level 70 killing un-nerfed Kael'thas and writhing in pain because "it's soo hard OMGGGG". Not meaning to brag, but atleast I proved myself by accomplishing that, and much more Yes. Yes I have played WoW. Pre-The Burning Crusade, with a warrior at lvl 60. No, in fact it was dead easy. And ***ing boring. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.*
Marielle TueurDeCoeur	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:24:00 - [12] I'm a big fan of both fantasy and sci-fi stuff, I read both (novels) I was hooked by EVE in the first 30 minutes and have been playing ever since. I watched somebody play WOW once. Once.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:26:00 - [13] look ma, i'm posting in a troll thread i had a maxed out smuggler back when SWG came out. that was pretty useless. i also ascended a samurai in nethack --
Thoma Katch Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:28:00 - [14] Originally by: R3DSt0rm I play EVE and WOW. Its just another game, it has its entertainments and uses (ganking noobs in Hillsbrad never gets old). What does it matter if some of the terminology that is common to MMOs splashes over to EVE? People still know what you are talking about if you call a corp a guild. Why would you care? What difference does it make? Same as the arguements between PADI and BSAC divers over the differences in some signals and use of terminology. That said I get shouted at by both for calling fins flippers.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Psiri on 07/04/2009 19:33:46 Because back when it was original and somewhat clever, ie. in 2004, people mocked WoW for its softcore approach. Somehow this fad lingered with the now veteran players, who're notorious for their elitist attitude, as such it has become associated with them. Since everyone wants to be cool and 'l337' it's common practice by wannabies to bash WoW in desperate attempts to cash in on whatever e-peen tokens that haven't been milked dry already by this. EDIT: I hope that clears things up for you.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Marielle TueurDeCoeur I'm a big fan of both fantasy and sci-fi stuff, I read both (novels) I was hooked by EVE in the first 30 minutes and have been playing ever since. I watched somebody play WOW once. Once. Once.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:42:00 - [17] I don't hate WOW, but EVE offers more of the things I like in a MMO then WOW. Playing against NPCs gets boring really fast after the first time in all games. Once you know how to do it, it doesn't really offer anything interesting for me. You can make it a challenge again only by purposely gimping yourself. There is also the issue, that single player games are better at NPC content and cost less money. What I want from a MMO is playing with and against other players in an environment with a lot of freedom, dept and meaning. The more predictable, limited and static the universe the less interesting it is. EVE is much better at this then WOW. The issue with WOW players is, that they expect every other game to be like WOW. Not all, but there are so many they seem to pop up everywhere. This is especially annoing in EVE, since it has a different design philosophy, but every other MMO forum seems to suffer from the same plague. They have WOW already, so they should just play it and accept, that not everyone wants to play in their amusement park.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:45:00 - [18] WoW EVE Oh and one last point; You just lost the game.
Deej Montana Caldari Outbound Flight	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:50:00 - [19] You see the hatred because the Eve forums are filled with a vocal minority of smug, arrogant e-peen wavers who need to prove their worth by telling everyone how superior they are because they "get" Eve which is so much more "hardcore", so much more challenging, so much more catering to the intelligentsia. Conversely people who play WoW are the unwashed masses who can't understand/appreciate anything very complex, who can't deal with Eve's "harshness", etc, etc.... Makes you wonder whether some of these guys have lost touch with reality. Hello oh great forum lords, Eve is a GAME, a recreation, a pastime. It's not a second job, a religious experience, a test of intelligence or an indicator of character. Just ignore 'em. After reading the forums a while you learn who the usual suspects are and just scroll past their drivel as I do.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Deej Montana You see the hatred yeah
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Deej Montana You see the hatred because the Eve forums are filled with a vocal minority of smug, arrogant e-peen wavers who need to prove their worth by telling everyone how superior they are because they "get" Eve which is so much more "hardcore", so much more challenging, so much more catering to the intelligentsia. Conversely people who play WoW are the unwashed masses who can't understand/appreciate anything very complex, who can't deal with Eve's "harshness", etc, etc.... Makes you wonder whether some of these guys have lost touch with reality. Hello oh great forum lords, Eve is a GAME, a recreation, a pastime. It's not a second job, a religious experience, a test of intelligence or an indicator of character. Just ignore 'em. After reading the forums a while you learn who the usual suspects are and just scroll past their drivel as I do. How many times are you gonna say 'e-peen' today? I think someone got peened in their ****er.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 WoW EVE why do those big macs have corners? I've never seen such an ill-constructed burger in my life.... wait, I plan on eating one tonight. D'oh! Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Narfas Deteis	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:05:00 - [23] Originally by: R3DSt0rm I play EVE and WOW. Its just another game, it has its entertainments and uses (ganking noobs in Hillsbrad never gets old). What does it matter if some of the terminology that is common to MMOs splashes over to EVE? People still know what you are talking about if you call a corp a guild. Why would you care? What difference does it make? Because of WoW players which come here, whine and try to change EVE into this childish, simple WoW. And developers listen to them. That's why. And because of Falcon.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Deej Montana You see the hatred because the Eve forums are filled with a vocal minority of smug, arrogant e-peen wavers who need to prove their worth by telling everyone how superior they are because they "get" Eve which is so much more "hardcore", so much more challenging, so much more catering to the intelligentsia. Conversely people who play WoW are the unwashed masses who can't understand/appreciate anything very complex, who can't deal with Eve's "harshness", etc, etc.... No no no, our worth is proven merely by being here, it's the worthlessness of all others that we seek to prove. Seriously though, it's just people projecting dislike of new players who wish to see EVE change to suit them onto the game/group of people they typically come from. - DesuSigs
Deej Montana Caldari Outbound Flight	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Deej Montana on 07/04/2009 20:22:51 Edited by: Deej Montana on 07/04/2009 20:21:32 I've only said e-peen twice. Why? Am I using up your quote or something? Nice assessment Crumplecorn. Fair enough.
R34PER Caldari Imperial Ravens	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Narfas Deteis into this childish, simple WoW. Only if you think it is. And it appears as such if you're not a true veteran. You see, what makes WOW not so simple is stats. What's so complicated about stats? World of Spreadsheets. You may take a look at EJ forums (it looks like they've tweaked forums recently, you can no more read normal topics unless logged in). It's filled to the brim with every kind of theorycraft imaginable. Simple hillbillies couldn't care less, they just pick all items coming their way and wear whatever looks the best. But those dedicated players study every bit of their class and optimize their gear. Some also plan ahead and pick the optimal upgrades from a sea of choices. Recently it's been easier by excel spreadsheets that do most of the work for you, including drop-down menus and such. If you have too much of one stat and not enough of the other one, it might have a big impact on your performance. Likewise, the biggest bad-ass sized axe is not always the one that does the most DPS in the long run. Talents are also another factor, which can be fiddled around alot together with theorycraft. EVE also has many niches that work behind the scenes, such as cap and shield regen curves, tracking in radians and so forth. And it's also been made easy by EFT and other tools that tell you the result instantly, without resorting to pen and paper. So as far as the game mechanics go, WOW is potentially just as deep as EVE is. It just depends on whether you want it to be or not. Most of the whiners think like the WOW majority does, and we all know lemmings can't be taken seriously.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:30:00 - [27] Because even if a small percentage of WoW players came to Eve and decided to stay, it would fundamentally change the balance of power in Eve. Why else does anyone hate new people, new ideas, new competition and/or change in general?
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:34:00 - [28] At least complete strangers in eve know about me and didnt blow me up because of it, I have yet to get a similar response in wow.
Narfas Deteis	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:37:00 - [29] Originally by: R34PER Edited by: R34PER on 07/04/2009 20:34:15 Originally by: Narfas Deteis into this childish, simple WoW. Only if you think it is. And it appears as such if you're not a true veteran. You see, what makes WOW not so simple is stats. What's so complicated about stats? World of Spreadsheets. You may take a look at EJ forums (it looks like they've tweaked forums recently, you can no more read normal topics unless logged in). It's filled to the brim with every kind of theorycraft imaginable. Simple hillbillies couldn't care less, they just pick all items coming their way and wear whatever looks the best. But those dedicated players study every bit of their class and optimize their gear. Some also plan ahead and pick the optimal upgrades from a sea of choices. Recently it's been made easier by excel spreadsheets that do most of the work for you, including drop-down menus and such. If you have too much of one stat and not enough of the other one, it might have a big impact on your performance. Likewise, the biggest bad-ass sized axe is not always the one that does the most DPS in the long run. Talents are also another factor, which can be fiddled around alot together with theorycraft. EVE also has many niches that work behind the scenes, such as cap and shield regen curves, tracking in radians and so forth. And it's also been made easy by EFT and other tools that tell you the result instantly, without resorting to pen and paper. So as far as the game mechanics go, WOW is potentially just as deep as EVE is. It just depends on whether you want it to be or not. Most of the whiners think like the WOW majority does, and we all know lemmings can't be taken seriously. Ofcourse both games can be played either way, but you shouldn't compare the lemmings and the veterans. Hell, I loved theorycrafting in WOW and when I started on EVE long ago my favourite hobby quickly became playing around with all kinds of fittings. Thank god for EFT its predecessors, it made my metagame much cheaper. I even sometimes grab my calculator and calculate optimal ranges and speeds for orbiting with certain tracking speeds, just for the heck of it. If you think that EVE is about "tank&gank", "gear", "fit" and so on - you are horribly wrong.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:38:00 - [30] Because.

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