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Tar om Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:43:00 - [1] I'm getting a laptop from Dell - its a warrantee replacement for an older machine and I have the option to upgrade from an 8700M GT to dual sli 8700 M GT for about ú100. Is it worth doing? I realise the 8800GT in SLI would perform a lot better but an extra ú350 isn't on the cards right now. Any opinions? (or show me where the hardware forum went) -- DEVS get multiple CPUs/Cores per system and all will be forgiven. Parallel Python
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:46:00 - [2] no not really - -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:50:00 - [3] Edited by: AkRoYeR on 09/04/2009 10:50:40 SLI made a huge difference for me.
Sweaty Minge	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:51:00 - [4] SLI; yes. The latter is up for debate.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:53:00 - [5] Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 09/04/2009 10:54:41 2 gpu's will allow u hook a second screen up to your laptop and u can run 2 eve clients off the laptop at the same time. HOWEVER eve and sli dont work together BUT other games do.... so for ú100 extra go for it... it wont hurt in the long run
Token Prophet	Posted - 2009.04.09 11:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Token Prophet on 09/04/2009 11:02:41 Your options for SLI on a laptop are likely to be severely limited.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.04.09 11:05:00 - [7] while SLI (and other forms of multi-gpu setups) can be considered yet too imperfect to be used in a regular basis, if you have the chance of slapping a cheap SLI setup in a machine, then go for it. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Gebher'el Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.04.09 11:52:00 - [8] If you where starting with a bigger video card I would say no, however the 8700 while usable is a little weak so you will gain a benefit from SLI with it. The problem with SLI and Crossfire in general is that in the real world the benefits do not outweigh the cost. Using EVE as an example on a 1680x1060 display you can get near perfect detail level with a 4870, even a 4850 comes close. This means less than $200 for a single card and you can get an amazing looking game. Moving up to a typical SLI or Crossfire setup with any but the lowest in cards will exceed the cost of either of these two cards solo and yet not give enough improvement to justify the cost. Also both methods have issues with other games so there is also a compatability issue to consider as well. Your case in particular however throws me a curve since the latop does not have a lot of upgrade options and you do not want to spend the cost for the higher end card. The SLI solution seems the best choice for you to get the most you can out of the system. Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me.
Tar om Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 13:03:00 - [9] Thanks folks, I'll go for it then. Laptop gaming is definitely an expensive proposition! At least I'll get a free Agea PhysX thingy. yay go me -- DEVS get multiple CPUs/Cores per system and all will be forgiven. Parallel Python
Argent Lansing	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Tar om I'm getting a laptop from Dell - its a warrantee replacement for an older machine and I have the option to upgrade from an 8700M GT to dual sli 8700 M GT for about ú100. Is it worth doing? I realise the 8800GT in SLI would perform a lot better but an extra ú350 isn't on the cards right now. Any opinions? (or show me where the hardware forum went) I am going to disagree with everyone else. The 8800 GT runs this game with max settings at 1900x1200 with only a single card, no SLI necessary. I would get the single 8800 GT and save your laptop some nasty fan/cooling that will be necessary for the SLI cards. Not to mention that some games dont benefit from SLI and having a much faster single card will give you a better experience overall.
Jabezhane	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Argent Lansing I am going to disagree with everyone else. The 8800 GT runs this game with max settings at 1900x1200 with only a single card, no SLI necessary. I would get the single 8800 GT and save your laptop some nasty fan/cooling that will be necessary for the SLI cards. Not to mention that some games dont benefit from SLI and having a much faster single card will give you a better experience overall. No I'll go with that too. I get to run Eve at 1600x1200 just fine with most of the eye candy with an old 7900GTX. The other thing to remember is that the laptop versions of graphics cards usually run a lot slower than their desktop counterpart. So say a laptop 8800GT might be closer to a 8600GT desktop part or worse.
Tar om Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:42:00 - [12] an 8700M GT (the mobile part) is about equivalent to a 7900 GT in raw (ahem) power. The single 8800 idea is a good one, but I can't find an option to spec the machine that way. I will try it when the guy gets back to me though. Thanks. -- DEVS get multiple CPUs/Cores per system and all will be forgiven. Parallel Python
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:58:00 - [13] I run two maxed clients with my radeon 3850 with no problems at all. Throw a third client in there and things start to slow down a bit though... And the card costed me less than $80. The processor was $120 (2.66Ghz duo).
Naradius DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:09:00 - [14] I run EVE in SLI mode with an XPS lappie - you can set the graphics driver so the cards render alternate frames. TBH, its overkill...I have gotten nearly 300fps out of it, but it runs damn hot (up to 80 degrees CPU temp with NZXT cooler), so have set it in EVE to run at "Present Interval 1". It now runs nice and cool and I hardly ever get any client lag.
Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Mykpilot on 09/04/2009 18:05:19 I have no idea what game some of you guys are playing but its probably not the same eve online I'm playing. If your going to run a single client the 8700M GT will be fine. The next time you might need consider more power is in 3 years when the CCP decides to upgrade the engine to DX10. Then you'll get another 1 year before they remove the legacy engine all together, but the 8700M is DX10 anyways. I have a 512MB 9800GT (exact same card as an 8800GT), 4GB DD2 800 and Phenom II 720 @ 3.6Ghz. I run my primary client @ 1920x1080 and the other two clients at 1280x800 (on a second monitor). I have the setting at max with no AA. I get 30-45 FPS on the screen that is focuesed. If I run a single client I get over 100FPS. This is all durning mission running L4s. Eve moves so slowly (even in an interceptor with MDW) that anything above 30FPS is going to produce very little difference in visual quality.
Wildwa OJS Interstellar Industries	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:27:00 - [16] SLI wont work for me, it just plain doesn't like it. I do however use two monitors and just hook one up to each video card and that works great. Just have to disable SLI to be able to run.
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:29:00 - [17] Don't need the SLI for EVE, but if you run ANYTHING else then for 100 quid that's a great deal.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.09 20:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Mykpilot Edited by: Mykpilot on 09/04/2009 18:05:19 I have no idea what game some of you guys are playing but its probably not the same eve online I'm playing. If your going to run a single client the 8700M GT will be fine. The next time you might need consider more power is in 3 years when the CCP decides to upgrade the engine to DX10. Then you'll get another 1 year before they remove the legacy engine all together, but the 8700M is DX10 anyways. I have a 512MB 9800GT (exact same card as an 8800GT), 4GB DD2 800 and Phenom II 720 @ 3.6Ghz. I run my primary client @ 1920x1080 and the other two clients at 1280x800 (on a second monitor). I have the setting at max with no AA. I get 30-45 FPS on the screen that is focuesed. If I run a single client I get over 100FPS. This is all durning mission running L4s. Eve moves so slowly (even in an interceptor with MDW) that anything above 30FPS is going to produce very little difference in visual quality. all 8xxx series cards support dx 10
K'Daai	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Wildwa SLI wont work for me, it just plain doesn't like it. I do however use two monitors and just hook one up to each video card and that works great. Just have to disable SLI to be able to run. Go to your Nvidia Control Panel, select Manage 3D settings on the left side > select Program Settings tab on the right side > look in the dropdown list for the Eve executable, if its not there you can add it with the Add button > scroll down the list and look for SLI Performance Mode> set this to Alternate Frame Rendering 2 > scroll the big bar on the right all the way down and hit Apply. Congratulations you have SLI working in Eve, enjoy. :)
ZinderX500 Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:02:00 - [20] No.
Leon Caedo	Posted - 2009.04.10 01:06:00 - [21] SLI on a laptop? I say no. Why? One word: Heat. Unless you plan on running a cooling pad under your laptop 24/7, I would just get go with 1 video card. Even then, you might want to look into a cooling pad if it is a higher performance laptop. Yeah its bulky but it will prolong your laptop's lifespan and make it run better.
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.10 02:13:00 - [22] If adding a 2nd GPU won't increase the laptop's size, I vote for the 2nd 8700. Of course a single 8800 would be preferable, but a 2nd 8700 will definitely boost your framerates by about 50%, which is worth the heat and battery consumption in my opinion if you're using it as a gaming computer.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.10 03:05:00 - [23] Originally by: mechtech If adding a 2nd GPU won't increase the laptop's size, I vote for the 2nd 8700. Of course a single 8800 would be preferable, but a 2nd 8700 will definitely boost your framerates by about 50%, which is worth the heat and battery consumption in my opinion if you're using it as a gaming computer. Why again would someone spend so much money on a gaming laptop that could potentially burn up anyway? A decent gaming desktop can be built for under half the price of a laptop...

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