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Vegeta Minmatar Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:00:00 - [31] Conditioning is generally considered to be a part of psychology, not sociology. In this case, however, it falls under social psychology. As a student of both sociology and psychology, don't believe any kind of conditioning happens within GoonSwarm. It is a group which presents incredible solidarity and conformity to certain in-jokes and memes, but not because they have been conditioned to do so (a conditioned individual has no choice). Instead, you should look at the concept of internalisation. GoonSwarm members happily accept these values and follow the group voluntarily, because they believe in it, enjoy it and because they benefit from it. If you look at yourself and your own corporation then I'm sure you'll find that you do the exact same thing, as does every other person who is happy with the corporation they are in. --- AvatarsUnited.com is Eve's fastest growing community website. Have you signed up yet?
Ethan Tomlinson Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.11 14:13:00 - [32] ^^ yea but goons are still horrible at this game
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.11 14:29:00 - [33] Anything you need to know about the Goonswarm social conditioning can be learned by watching this video clip ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Stahlregen Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.11 14:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Jade Constantine Anything you need to know about the Goonswarm social conditioning can be learned by watching this video clip This is the best jade post in months (ever?) i love you for not posting a massive wall of text. You see, i think everyone would think you were pretty chill if only you posted more of these youtube links.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.11 15:04:00 - [35] DARIUS: (Spoken) Against BOB we need every GOON we got. MITTANI: (Spoken) SUAS don't belong any more. DARIUS: Cut it, MITTANI boy. I and SUAS started the GOONS. MITTANI: Well, he acts like he don't wanna belong. BANE: Who wouldn't wanna belong to the GOONs! MITTANI: SUAS ain't been with us for over a year. GOUMINDONG: What about the day we clobbered the Volteras? STAHLEGEN: Which we couldn't have done without SUAS. BANE: He saved my ever-lovin' neck! DARIUS: Right! He's always come through for us and he will now. (Sings) When you're a GOON, You're a GOON all the way From your first little scam To your last flaming day. When you're a GOON, If the spit hits the fan, You got e-friends around, You're a family man! You're never alone, You're never disconnected! You're home on your own: No company expected, You're well protected! Then you are set With a capital G, Which you'll never forget Till they cart you away. When you're a GOON, You stay a GOON! (Spoken) I know SUAS like I know me. I guarantee you can count him in. MITTANI: In, out, let's get crackin'. STAHLEGEN: Where you gonna find Molle? DARIUS: At the top station tonight in JITA. JAMES DUAR: But JITA's neutral territory. DARIUS: (Innocently) I'm gonna make nice there! I'm only gonna challenge him. STAHLEGEN: Great, Daddy-O! DARIUS: So everybody dress up sweet and sharp. ALL (Sing) Oh, when the GOONs fail in the Delve war dance, We'll be the sweetest empire gang in pants! And when the chicks dig us in our GOON black eyes, They're gonna flip, gonna flop, gonna drop like flies! DARIUS: (Spoken) Hey. Cool. Easy. Sweet. Meet SUAS and me at ten. And walk tall! STAHLEGEN: We always walk tall! BANE: We're GOONs! MITTANI: The greatest! MITTANI and BANE (Sing) When you're a GOON, You're the lolcat in town, You're the bronze medal kid With the runner-up crown! TAHLEGEN, MITTANI, JAMES DUAR When you're a GOON, You're the swingin'est thing: Little boy meet a man; Little man I'm your king! ALL The GOONs are in gear, Our cylinders are clickin'! The BOBs'll steer clear 'Cause ev'ry BOB's a lousy chicken! Here come the GOONs Like a bat out of hell. Someone gets in our way, Someone don't feel so well! Here come the GOONs: Little world, step aside! Better go underground, Better run, better hide! We're drawin' the line, So keep your noses hidden! We're hangin' a sign, Says "Visitors forbidden" And we ain't kiddin'! Here come the GOONs, Yeah! And we're gonna beat Ev'ry last buggin' gang On the whole buggin' map! On the whole! Ever! Mother! Lovin'! Map! Yeah! ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
PrimaryIsYou Minmatar BACKUPLEGION	Posted - 2009.04.11 16:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Jade Constantine :words: jade postantine ladies and gentlemen~
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.11 18:57:00 - [37] Jades admit it......you like us. COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.11 19:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Emrod Jades admit it......you like us. Only when you aren't taking yourselves too seriously ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Funkcikle Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.12 23:34:00 - [39] I hear mittens uses a bell to make goons dribble, he dosn't even need to show them the food anymore. how kewl is that ?
Everir Entar Minmatar Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.13 00:11:00 - [40] I don't know. But how is being part of an "entity" with some kind of goal makes you a subject to what you are saying? Is it the same thing with Kenzoku? Do they even have an identity? Wish I made more sense.
Pudgy McFudge Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.13 05:00:00 - [41] I think we can all classify Goons as Something Awful amirite?
Schani Kratnorr Amarr x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.13 18:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Nova Satar The question is, what sort of people are so easily socially conditioned? Weak people are easily conditioned. Young people, who lack experience, are easily conditioned. Socially inept people (gamers,) are easily conditioned. Originally by: Nova Satar Is it generally more immature people, not in a haha funny way, but a more... ****ed way? In simple terms, yes... Combine the three (weak, young and socially indept,) and you get the sort of 'tards you're talking about... Originally by:** Nova Satar Or does it simply attract those who are most in-secure about themselves? E.G "The Internet-Hard-Man, AKA Nerd. The insecurity-factor definately plays a role. I read an article about a study a sociologist had done on the subject of online-gaming communities. While it is true, that in the past computer-game enthusiasts (gamers) tended to be socially isolated, insecure and fairly intelligent, the modern gamer is more varied - or more representative of the general population in society. I personally think, that the evolution of the EVE community reflects real life society more than we care to admit. The reason for this is simple. The players are ultimately human beings. They play the game out of a desire to satisfy their specific needs. Out in the real world, the tendency has been to favor a more self-centered personality type. Young and beautiful equals succes, and you gotta have succes, to be human. The pressure this puts on people is immense, and the majority seem to have responded by acting like total ASSHATS! Twenty+ years of "good times" have done its part too. Entire generations growing up with surplus. Mom and dad buys big-screen TVs, cell phones, laptops, clothes and everything their kids need to "keep up with the herd." In this carefree world, flawed personalies (like other mutations,) are given more room. Society tolerates their negative sides in order to benefit from their (sometimes) positive aspects. Case in point - many succesful business leaders share traits with psycopaths. So to put it briefly: Players act like tards in games, because acting like tards in the real world is 'normal', and carries no penalty - much less so in an imaginary world.
Schani Kratnorr Amarr x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.13 18:37:00 - [43] ...also, now that the economic times are changin', perhaps displaying intellect and abilities will come into fashion again. Put-downs, dissing and general forum-warfare might once again demand talent. At the moment places like CAOD are stuck at a farting-joke level. If we were freestyle rappers, we would be stuck at the Yo' mamma phase, hurling clichTs at eachother. I long for the CAOD-equivalent of two-way freestyle battle. Quick rimes from the hip, some break-dancers, and a fat beat to trot it all up
Vemille Kechov Caldari The Colour Out of Space Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.04.14 04:00:00 - [44] GoonSwarm as an organization does not represent a social conditioning mechanism; it shares much more in common with a religion, in the sense of it being a community through which its members gain certain real or perceived benefits by subscribing to a system of beliefs. In the case of the Goons, those 'beliefs' are internet memes, hatred toward plastic dolls and friends of plastic dolls, riling up other players, etc. The Goon makes a rational choice to join the organization and take on the expectations of the organization, because said Goon sees a net profit in joining. There is no social conditioning, for this would need to come from the EVE playerbase as a whole; there is only a choice to join a particular group out of many other groups. Or maybe all of this analysis of the EVE universe as an analogue to reality is completely fubar, because peoples' actions in EVE are in no way similar to their actions in real life. Somehow, I highly doubt all of those <insert insult here> Goonies start z0r chains during their staff meetings at work, nor do they stand up in those meetings and proudly proclaim "I accidentally the whole company"...
Sir Molley Amarr Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.04.14 10:55:00 - [45] Seriously all your arm chair shrinks should go read The Lord of the Flies. I am sure you will see a lot of things clearer.
Algia Knightstorm Gallente Lost Star Technologies Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.14 11:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Nova Satar Quote: "In simpler terms, social conditioning is something that homogenizes a large amount of people into a certain distinctive mold; for example, people who style/dress in nearly identical ways can be seen as products of social conditioning. Another example is this seemingly intangible expectation/pressure for people to look certain ways, buy certain things, behave certain ways in order to appeal to other people. If people believe they need to do those things in order to be adequate, it may also be considered as a certain level of social conditioning." All you have to do is read the forums to see how massively this relates to Goonswarn as an entity. The question is, what sort of people are so easily socially conditioned? Is it generally more immature people, not in a haha funny way, but a more... ******ed way? Or does it simply attract those who are most in-secure about themselves? E.G "The Internet-Hard-Man, AKA Nerd. I would argue Goons are far from socially conditioned, which is why we, the socially conditioned to find this sort of behavour so unacceptable, do indeed, find their behavour so unacceptable.
Zell Shadowcast Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.14 11:42:00 - [47] It is me. I am the socially conditioned internet pilot. It was pretty awesome being a goon back during the MC hammer craze when we all had to wear parachute pants.
Wowa Ilyich Caldari The Galactic Empire Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.04.16 15:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Vemille Kechov Or maybe all of this analysis of the EVE universe as an analogue to reality is completely fubar, because peoples' actions in EVE are in no way similar to their actions in real life. Somehow, I highly doubt all of those <insert insult here> Goonies start z0r chains during their staff meetings at work, nor do they stand up in those meetings and proudly proclaim "I accidentally the whole company"... Actually, I have made the observation that people in Eve are behaving EXACTLY as in real life. Despite the fact that this is a roleplaying game, most individuals I encountered behaved very much according to their RL personality (myself included). They may do it more excessively in Eve - but in the end their online behaviour is a decent reflection on their RL value set. Apart from that, I think the Goon question is less about social conditioning. We are all socially conditioned - by the Eve community and our corp/alliance values - and that is fine. What I ask myself is: how can a community remain successfull and have friends in the rest of the player base (PL, MM, KIA, Zenith, RZR, the rest) that is so clearly aimed at demeaning the other human being?? (Yes I have read some pretty bad racist and holocaust-apologetic stuff in local channels with Goon presence) I was there during the ASCN wars. Their forum spam was regular propaganda - unpleasant but not disgusting to the point we seem to have reached these days. And back then I thought the GoonSwarm idea was funny and laughed about it. Well, for me it is not any more and I now await the day they will bugger off to Jumpgate Evolution. Wowa Ilyich He who controls the Spice, controls the universe. (Baron Harkonnen)
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.16 18:25:00 - [49] understanding and exploiting the universal flaws in human cognition is kinda of important in life~
Sarsnick Illus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.16 21:15:00 - [50] Originally by: The Mittani understanding and exploiting the universal flaws in human cognition is kinda of important in life~ I use this. It's called the "Mystery Method" high fives self
Valorous Bob Gallente TARSHISH FOUNDATION	Posted - 2009.04.17 00:07:00 - [51] Jade Constantine just made my day. If that song was on iTunes i might buy it. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Faekurias Edited by: Faekurias on 12/11/2008 18:25:39 What, you get to write **** now? Sweet! Edit: I see what you did there
Will Fireblade Minmatar Euphoria Released Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.18 20:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: Nova Satar The question is, what sort of people are so easily socially conditioned? Weak people are easily conditioned. Young people, who lack experience, are easily conditioned. Socially inept people (gamers,) are easily conditioned. Originally by: Nova Satar Is it generally more immature people, not in a haha funny way, but a more... ****ed way? In simple terms, yes... Combine the three (weak, young and socially indept,) and you get the sort of 'tards you're talking about... Originally by:** Nova Satar Or does it simply attract those who are most in-secure about themselves? E.G "The Internet-Hard-Man, AKA Nerd. The insecurity-factor definately plays a role. I read an article about a study a sociologist had done on the subject of online-gaming communities. While it is true, that in the past computer-game enthusiasts (gamers) tended to be socially isolated, insecure and fairly intelligent, the modern gamer is more varied - or more representative of the general population in society. I personally think, that the evolution of the EVE community reflects real life society more than we care to admit. The reason for this is simple. The players are ultimately human beings. They play the game out of a desire to satisfy their specific needs. Out in the real world, the tendency has been to favor a more self-centered personality type. Young and beautiful equals succes, and you gotta have succes, to be human. The pressure this puts on people is immense, and the majority seem to have responded by acting like total ASSHATS! Twenty+ years of "good times" have done its part too. Entire generations growing up with surplus. Mom and dad buys big-screen TVs, cell phones, laptops, clothes and everything their kids need to "keep up with the herd." In this carefree world, flawed personalies (like other mutations,) are given more room. Society tolerates their negative sides in order to benefit from their (sometimes) positive aspects. Case in point - many succesful business leaders share traits with psycopaths. So to put it briefly: Players act like tards in games, because acting like tards in the real world is 'normal', and carries no penalty - much less so in an imaginary world. Damn that was actually a good read. So what does that tell us of the Future?
Gaiscioch Nova Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:17:00 - [53] When you center your life around things that are important to your ego but relatively insignificant from a broader perspective, then youÆve got a bit of a problem. Your ego becomes highly invested in keeping your perspective small and tight because thatÆs where the ego draws its identity. Your job, your relationships, and your personality quirks become your identity. ItÆs how you define yourself as an individual.You become invested in your problems because they help your ego define itself. The ego needs boundaries to survive, and expanding your ego threatens the ego and its sense of self. If you broaden your perspective too far, you will begin to feel youÆre losing touch with reality. You may feel disconnected, depressed, or uncomfortably separated from the rest of the world. You start asking, ôIs this all there is?ö What once seemed fulfilling now leaves you empty inside.
Gaiscioch Nova Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:17:00 - [54] Social conditioning also teaches us to keep our perspective small in time and space. When do TV characters ever take on a cosmic perspective?Most dont broaden their perspective beyond themselves and their families. At best they assume the perspective of their community,their religion,or their country.These characters condition you to do the same, and you probably donÆt even realize that thereÆs an alternative. If the media can control your perspective and keep it small and tight, then it can more easily influence you to do what it wants, such as ôkeep watchingö and ôbuy stuff.ö A person with a limited perspective will more easily become a media addict and will buy things to feel secure. Materialism helps maintain the illusion of that limited perspective. A person with a cosmic consciousness doesnÆt need much stuff because s/he will perceive it as trivial or unimportant, which indeed most of it is. Hence, the media doesnÆt encourage us to broaden our perspective beyond a certain point (usually no further than oneÆs own nation or religion).
Gaiscioch Nova Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:18:00 - [55] Most of the unconscious negative beliefs we inherit have to do with survival and the fear of death. We may not see them as having anything to do with the fear of death, but most if not all of them ultimately do. For example is the belief that in order to be happy you need to æbecome somebody,Æ and that quality of life is dependent upon status in society. Again,we may be aware of this on a surface level; the common parental pressure to go into a certain line of work (become a doctor, lawyer, etc.) and to follow a safe and predictable path in life, but these seemingly trivial things are often like icebergs, where 90% of it is obscured beneath the surface. Our parentsÆ desire for us to make it and their fear that we donÆt make it is echoed within ourselves, because we share their conditioning. As they were taught by their parents and society, they teach us that you need to be æsomebodyÆ in order to be at ease and satisfied. Happiness is correlated with external factors such as posessions, social connections, accolades, and so on, and this particular bundle of beliefs is fundamental to common conditioning.
Admiral Frools Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Gaiscioch Nova Mother of god... It's..... It's BEAUTIFUL :911:
zenthral staichon Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:29:00 - [57] that.... is breathtaking.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.22 17:30:00 - [58] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 22/04/2009 17:30:20 I feel Gaiscioch Nova has said everything that needs to be said about this subject, summing up everything with words that come together to form an overall picture of the GoonSwarm.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.04.22 20:46:00 - [59] BLAH... BLAH... BLAH... Hmph... This "Social Conditioning" you are describing is a just another name describing the angst of thousands of 14 year olds who have yet felt the warmth of a women, and have too much time on their hands. For when they are eventually shackled to the mediocre life of cubical hell and by the bonds of matrimony do you truly understand that it is all a bunch of hoo-eee... It is about having a good time with true friends for as long as possible. That is what separates the appeal of belonging to a ôLarge Allianceö from the enthusiast. Reading some of these COAD threads are like watching junior high ôgirl on girlö fights on YouTube. Yeah itÆs entertaining... but at some point you just feel sorry for them...
Faekurias Caldari Specter Enterprises The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.22 20:56:00 - [60] Wow, did not read, terrible post. ------------------------- *FAEKURIAS*

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