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Valion Audeles Black Company Merc's 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:26:00 - [1] - Quote First of all, hello everyone. This will be my first post on the forums. I am interested in exploration, did some research picked a ship, rigs, mods etc. I dont have my skills list on hand, but i can tell you that my probing strength for sisters core probe on a regular launcher is 73 or something along on those lines. I can scan down most sites in a few minutes, it's gotten much faster... BUT... I only find wormholes!! And ladar sites. I did around 10 hours of exploring today, most have been wormholes, some complexes, ladar and gravimetric, 1(ONE!!!!!!111) magnetometric and... thats it. Havent found a single radar, the one im interested in for highsec. What systems should I run, 0.8-1.0, 0.9-1.0, 1.0 only?! Also its very crowded on exploring, most of the time i only find sites that have already been picked clean. I try to go to systems of 1.0 sec with less than 10 pilots present there over the last 30 mins but i keep getting crap. Luckily i scored a few million isk on that mag site that should account for some 10 or so refit of the ship in case i get exploded. I run an imicus frigate, 3 drones for protecion and distance tanking. Not the fastest way to kill something but it will do. Atm i run in caldari space, in and around jita. Would love some advice, i was really excited about this but now... i dont know, i might have to go back to mining. Thanks.
Orlacc Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2012.05.04 02:18:00 - [2] - Quote The more deserted the better. And random is random. Some days I get no Radars.
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 227	Posted - 2012.05.04 02:34:00 - [3] - Quote Wormholes are so common in high sec because so many wormhole dwellers are accessing their static high sec connections and thus opening them up in k-space. They're significantly less frequent in low/null sec. Train deep space probes to minimize the amount of K162 wormholes you find. As for "competition." Its a double edged sword. If you are fast and efficient, competition is a good thing because it means sites are constantly respawning. If you're not so fast at probing, head to less cluttered areas. I usually recommend Khanid space to new explorers.
mxzf Shovel Bros 1518	Posted - 2012.05.04 03:30:00 - [4] - Quote Two things. First off, you should be looking around in all highsec systems (0.5-1.0), the common belief (as indicated by everything everyone has seen or heard from a dev) is that all highsec systems are just as likely to spawn any sig. Second, the reason there's so much competition for sites is because you're in Cal space, the most contested exploration area in the game. As XXSketchxx said, probing in another faction's space can help.
Valion Audeles Black Company Merc's 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 09:06:00 - [5] - Quote Hey, thanks for the answers, everyone. XXSketchxx wrote: Train deep space probes to minimize the amount of K162 wormholes you find. What do you mean by this? I thought DSPs had very low scanning resolution but gigantic range. I will try my luck in khanid space as you suggest. Also, wont I get destroyed in 0.5-0.8? By NPCs i mean.
Just Alter Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 89	Posted - 2012.05.04 09:22:00 - [6] - Quote Valion Audeles wrote: Hey, thanks for the answers, everyone. XXSketchxx wrote: Train deep space probes to minimize the amount of K162 wormholes you find. What do you mean by this? I thought DSPs had very low scanning resolution but gigantic range. I will try my luck in khanid space as you suggest. Also, wont I get destroyed in 0.5-0.8? By NPCs i mean. Because of their weak scan strength there's a trick that allows you to differentiate sigs by their size and cathegory. However, with experience, you can do something similiar with normal core probes and i suggest getting astro to V only if you're really dedicated about the whole explo thing. High sec NPCs are pretty weak, you could kill them with an exploring frig. However high sec explo is best done in a t3: no risk of losing it, fast scanning and high dps.
Valion Audeles Black Company Merc's 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 10:03:00 - [7] - Quote Just Alter wrote: Valion Audeles wrote: Hey, thanks for the answers, everyone. XXSketchxx wrote: Train deep space probes to minimize the amount of K162 wormholes you find. What do you mean by this? I thought DSPs had very low scanning resolution but gigantic range. I will try my luck in khanid space as you suggest. Also, wont I get destroyed in 0.5-0.8? By NPCs i mean. Because of their weak scan strength there's a trick that allows you to differentiate sigs by their size and cathegory. However, with experience, you can do something similiar with normal core probes and i suggest getting astro to V only if you're really dedicated about the whole explo thing. High sec NPCs are pretty weak, you could kill them with an exploring frig. However high sec explo is best done in a t3: no risk of losing it, fast scanning and high dps. Yeah I skimmed through that guide. I;m currently at astrometrics lvl 4, but I never need more than 4 probes.
Diamonica Norya University of Caille Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2012.05.04 15:39:00 - [8] - Quote Valion Audeles wrote: Yeah I skimmed through that guide. I;m currently at astrometrics lvl 4, but I never need more than 4 probes. I suggest you re-read the guide again instead of skimming through it, it's not about acquiring signature with higher strength and scan every single one of them down to try your luck. It's about filtering out the ones and mostly avoid wasting time on the sites you know that you don't want to do. for example, if you're low skill in combat sp atm, there's not much but you probably not going to be able to do anything higher than the lookout level combat signatures. However, if you are looking at radar / mag sites, then simply avoid the entire k162 band of signals because it's more efficient that you spend your time on the other bands then keep hitting on WH signatures and waste your time scanning them down when you have no intention to venture in there yet. Assuming your scan strength is 7.8, then you simply avoid the band with roughly 0.15 and 0.10 signals (DSP @ 256au) to avoid the C1 and C2 WHs, that will save you a lot of time. sure you're going to miss out some radar/mag/combat sites that share the same band, but what you lose here, you gain in the time to scan down (hopefully) more prominent signatures. radar and mag sites don't spawn big ships often in highsec, so look into anything 0.5 or above, those rats if spawned in radar/mag sites, they are usually in groups of 2~3, your drones can easily fend them off for you as long as your fit is at least half decent.
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 231	Posted - 2012.05.04 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote Diamonica Norya wrote: I suggest you re-read the guide again instead of skimming through it
Valion Audeles Black Company Merc's 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 22:05:00 - [10] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Diamonica Norya wrote: I suggest you re-read the guide again instead of skimming through it Yea I did read it, i still cant use a DSP for a week or so from now. I was wondering if there was such a tool for normal probes, that would proove incredibly useful. My success has changed since moving to khanid space. Sadly i now find radar sites that block me at 95% strength. I will have to wait until my frigate level 4 finishes and then start on astro V. Thanks for the answers.

XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 231	Posted - 2012.05.04 22:24:00 - [11] - Quote Are you using more probes? Sisters launcher? Sisters probes? Gravity capacitor rigs? 6% hardwiring implant to increase strength? Astrometrics rangefinding at level 4?
Nicolai Xperte Smoking Hillbillys Solid Foundation 5	Posted - 2012.05.05 04:03:00 - [12] - Quote Try using 7 Probes that's helped me a ton what would N,S,W,E and Center (on the horizontal plane) then North and South of the Center probes on the Vertical Plane. Use your shift and alt keys accordingly to speed up your setup times on acquiring signatures. If exploration is going to be your thing for the long haul I would highly recommend getting yourself skilled up to a Tech III cruiser so you can essentially get 100% on all bonuses. As other have already said get yourself a SOE Probe Launcher and SOE Core Scan Probes and you'll be alot better off. I don't always bring out my Absolution. But when I do it makes the Blue's rage, lol.
Kalin Trose 3rd Division 1	Posted - 2012.05.05 16:39:00 - [13] - Quote 73 is a very very low scan strength, you need to upgrade to a rigged Covert Ops right away!! Begin to use 5 probes if your doing this in high sec as you wont need any more. If your doing this in lowsec then you may need 7 probes on some sites as they can be quite hard to pinpoint to 100% even with high scan strength.
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 231	Posted - 2012.05.05 18:40:00 - [14] - Quote Kalin Trose wrote: 73 is a very very low scan strength, you need to upgrade to a rigged Covert Ops right away!! You don't need a rigged cov ops to explore. In fact this is a terrible way to do exploration in high sec because the competition is so high that buy the time you switch ships and get back to the site you found, the site will likely be gone. I'm sure you'll retort that it "works for you" but its simply not efficient at all.
Nina Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.05 20:42:00 - [15] - Quote Also site strength is identical in highsec, low and 0.0 - so if you can scan down everything in high, you can everywhere else. About 74 should be enough to scan down all sites with 7 probes though the weak ones may need several adjustments before you get them to 100%. One rig, sisters launcher and probes and rangefinding 4 should get you there in any ship - still you might want to get a second rig to speed up the process for the low strength sites (or a ship with a scanning bonus)
ValentinaDLM Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 487	Posted - 2012.05.05 22:18:00 - [16] - Quote I would say you might have better luck in a highsec pocket, but I see plenty of competition out there these days. I usually just goto low sec these days, far fewer wormholes and no bubbles to worry about.
Valion Audeles Black Company Merc's The Aurora Shadow 0	Posted - 2012.05.06 01:27:00 - [17] - Quote Thanks for the replies. Im getting better at it. I am using the sisters probes, launcher is quite expensive and it would mean my entire fortune atm. I dont like flying without a little something to back me up in case i go boom.
Kalin Trose 3rd Division 1	Posted - 2012.05.06 14:01:00 - [18] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Kalin Trose wrote: 73 is a very very low scan strength, you need to upgrade to a rigged Covert Ops right away!! You don't need a rigged cov ops to explore. In fact this is a terrible way to do exploration in high sec because the competition is so high that buy the time you switch ships and get back to the site you found, the site will likely be gone. I'm sure you'll retort that it "works for you" but its simply not efficient at all. Which is exactly why high sec exploration is not a viable source of isk and a total waste of play time. If you really want to explore and do sites that are viable as sources of income with potential to find hidden diamonds then you have to go null sec. I will retort it works for me because....it does. 73 probe strength just isn't enough in null to find anything decent with 5 probes. I have something around the 121 mark and scanning is a pleasure but clearly not fully skilled. I would love a Virtue set to make scanning boss-like ):
mxzf Shovel Bros 1539	Posted - 2012.05.06 14:53:00 - [19] - Quote Kalin Trose wrote: Which is exactly why high sec exploration is not a viable source of isk and a total waste of play time. If you really want to explore and do sites that are viable as sources of income with potential to find hidden diamonds then you have to go null sec. Hmm ... I wonder what that 10B+ ISK I made from highsec exploration is then .... And if you can't lock sites with 73 you're doing it wrong. All sig bands are the same (high, low, and null), meaning that if you can scan any site in highsec, you can scan any site in nullsec. And if you're choosing to only use 5 probes, then it's your fault that you're having issues finding sigs.
Orlacc Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 137	Posted - 2012.05.06 16:32:00 - [20] - Quote And forget weekends in high sec. Otherwise just take.your.time.\ I got dragged kicking and screaming to 7 probes and now would never go back.

Valion Audeles Black Company Merc's The Aurora Shadow 2	Posted - 2012.05.07 09:45:00 - [21] - Quote Well, I swapped to using 6 probes - 4 in an horizontal plane and 2 in vertical plane. Takes a few more seconds to set up but most of the time I dont need to go all the way down to 0.25AU for a positive lock. Got the sisters launcher too. Cant use a 7th yet, still waiting on astrometrics to level.
TriadSte 3rd Division 80	Posted - 2012.05.07 15:25:00 - [22] - Quote mxzf wrote: Kalin Trose wrote: Which is exactly why high sec exploration is not a viable source of isk and a total waste of play time. If you really want to explore and do sites that are viable as sources of income with potential to find hidden diamonds then you have to go null sec. Hmm ... I wonder what that 10B+ ISK I made from highsec exploration is then .... And if you can't lock sites with 73 you're doing it wrong. All sig bands are the same (high, low, and null), meaning that if you can scan any site in highsec, you can scan any site in nullsec. And if you're choosing to only use 5 probes, then it's your fault that you're having issues finding sigs. He didn't say he had 73 scan strength, the OP did. Locking some of the rarer 8/10s nullsec sites down with 73 is not possible even with 7 probes. You need 7 probes with anything under 120 though.
Caldari Citizen 786478786 130	Posted - 2012.05.07 16:52:00 - [23] - Quote Kalin Trose wrote: high sec exploration is not a viable source of isk and a total waste of play time You mean the A,B,C-Type Invulnerability Fields that drop from Highsec DED sites and sell for 500mil - 1bil ISK do not make for a viable source of income? Interesting, and here I was thinking that being able to PLEX my account with a single drop was OP as ****.
Coolsmoke State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.05.07 18:00:00 - [24] - Quote Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote: Kalin Trose wrote: high sec exploration is not a viable source of isk and a total waste of play time You mean the A,B,C-Type Invulnerability Fields that drop from Highsec DED sites and sell for 500mil - 1bil ISK do not make for a viable source of income? Interesting, and here I was thinking that being able to PLEX my account with a single drop was OP as ****. Just to clarify - Since Escalation, Gistum A-Type Invul Fields no longer drop from 4/10's in highsec. B-Types never have. C-Types now do, and are still worth a few iskies :) Dunno about the Pithum versions..
drdxie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.05.07 19:58:00 - [25] - Quote You need to go to the more remote areas, out of all the places I did exploration in, amarr was the worst.. seems ever wh in eve spawns there, yea I know its random, but from living in a wh.. its not that random.. maybe its the size of the amarr region. The best place was Caldari as it is less populated.. people are scared to mission against guristas as the jam. Also the closer you scan to after down time, the better the results. so best to worst for me was caldari, minmatar,gallente then amarr. Try and find a location with no station and a lower sec status. Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061&
Mnemosyne Gloob Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc. 54	Posted - 2012.05.07 22:17:00 - [26] - Quote TriadSte wrote: Locking some of the rarer 8/10s nullsec sites down with 73 is not possible even with 7 probes. You need 7 probes with anything under 120 though. I curently have close to 80 strength and i can scan down any signature with 7 probes (just barely for the hardest tho) - that would mean even a 10/10 in null. I don't know what a 'rarer 8/10' is, but you don't need 120. Granted most people would rather choose a dedicated prober in a bonused ship, but it's not like an unbonused ship won't do. drdxie wrote: The best place was Caldari as it is less populated.. people are scared to mission against guristas as the jam. Also the closer you scan to after down time, the better the results. Caldari less populated? Seriousely? Close after downtime ... now that's interesting. What this recommendation will achieve is to strengthen the believe that 'plexes spawn after downtime'. In fact finding sites at those hours might have more to do with a not so high server pop (as it is in the hours before downtime) and 'being the early bird'. However, it's not like theres no other explorers starting after server down, if only to map their area.
drdxie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.05.07 23:20:00 - [27] - Quote Well this is my experience roaming new eden with 5 toons for the last 2 and half years in HS, Null sec and wh's. The least populated server time is the 3-4 hrs before DT, which happens to be my normal play time, so unless I stay up after DT I will generally get nothing.. and yes I get the whole random thing and sites need to be run somewhere else first... but it still doesn't fit in to what I have experienced, so unless CCP tells me I have it wrong, i will work with my experience. Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061&
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 243	Posted - 2012.05.08 02:18:00 - [28] - Quote drdxie wrote: Well this is my experience roaming new eden with 5 toons for the last 2 and half years in HS, Null sec and wh's. The least populated server time is the 3-4 hrs before DT, which happens to be my normal play time, so unless I stay up after DT I will generally get nothing.. and yes I get the whole random thing and sites need to be run somewhere else first... but it still doesn't fit in to what I have experienced, so unless CCP tells me I have it wrong, i will work with my experience. You're the guy that posted those great findings aren't you?
Callduron 132	Posted - 2012.05.08 05:49:00 - [29] - Quote How do you see your scan strength?
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 771	Posted - 2012.05.08 05:56:00 - [30] - Quote http://www.swiftandbitter.com/eve/misc/Probe_Strength.jpg



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