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Ko Shimin Minmatar Arkons of Myth Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Ko Shimin on 11/04/2009 21:25:14 Since the new EFT came out, I started playing with the t3 ship fittings to see what they have to offer. For comparison I have used the default All Level 5 in EFT. Here is an extreme Tengu fitting, but mind that the t2 variant is only slightly weaker in capabilities. [Low] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System x 4 Capacitor Flux Coil II [Mediums] Gistum A-Type 10Mn Afterburner Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Large Shield Extender II Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier [Highs] Heavy Missile Launcher II x 5 [Rigs] Capacitor Control Circuit I x 3 [Subsystems] Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst ---------------------------------- Shield Resists are 53/90.6/85.9/76.6 with a shield capacity of 7469 The shield booster regenerates 152.25 shield per second, and can perma tank. DPS is 596 with a volley damage of 2283. Targeting at 81.25 km while missiles hit at 113 km. Base speed is 213 with 707 when AB is engaged or 1250 m/s if you swap the AB for a MWD (powergrid and CPU allow this). I have tried to create fittings for all other 3 Strategic Cruisers but noting come close to the Tengu in respect of DPS and tanking which the Tengu can awsomly do at same time. The Legion and the Proteus are mediocre compared to the Tengu while the Loki is total crap compared to the other 3 startegic cruisers. In many ways the Tengu is superior to the Nighthawk. The only other ship that marginally surpasses the Tengu is the Golem!!!! My personal opinion is that the other cruisers should be brought inline with the Tengu and not the other way around!!!! At this point judging from the prices those shops go for, any other strategic cruiser apart from the Tengu is a waste of isk. The fitting I have posted seems excelent for both PVE and PVP activities, while the other cruisers need diferent fittings for each role..
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:26:00 - [2] Subject promised pictures. Thread contained none. Grek is sad face. -------------------------------------------------- Overkill vs Me :'(
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 11/04/2009 21:34:19 First of all, copy paste from EFT. Everybody profit from that. That way we can check out the setup ourself. Modifying it so it looks fansy is not that good :)
Everfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:58:00 - [4] I made a tengu mission fitting with HAMS It has 1000dps tank against em/therm and does around 750 dps at 42km (rigged for range) Better than NH/Raven but not better than golem
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:10:00 - [5] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/04/2009 22:10:45 It's a mission ship. Who cares. T3 cruisers (Loki included) are balanced (with each other) just fine for PvP, and that's what counts. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:19:00 - [6] Drake does more dps.
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises Malum Exuro	Posted - 2009.04.12 00:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Drake does more dps. die (ingame) --------------------------------------- CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.04.12 01:37:00 - [8] Caldari ships have ALWAYS been better mission runners. Why should this be a surprise? For no reason I made a legion mission runner and it's in the same situation as the tengu... better than all ships except the paladin for missions. So it's balanced. And by the way... eft doesnt show accurate tank... remember you have a cruiser sig size so your tank is actually going to be much better than eft shows for lvl 4s.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.12 01:45:00 - [9] Its a pure waste for a PvE ship, anyway you dice it. You could buy a Nighthawk, a Golem, a CNR and about of year of Plex for the cost of that ship. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Ko Shimin Minmatar Arkons of Myth Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.12 06:01:00 - [10] None of the other strategic cruisers can provide maximum DPS and TANK (perma tank even) at the same time. Loki, Legion and Proteus.. you want dps you sacrifice tank, you want tank then you sacrifice dps. Tengu can do both. As I see it, Tengu would probably kick the crap out of the Loki or Proteus while a nos/neut Legion might create some problems. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong..
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.12 06:18:00 - [11] Yea it would be pretty good if it had someone to scramble, web and target paint for it. Welcome to Shield Tanking 101. But you knew that was a PVE fit when you posted it... right? But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Arkons of Myth Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.12 06:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Wet Ferret Yea it would be pretty good if it had someone to scramble, web and target paint for it. Welcome to Shield Tanking 101. But you knew that was a PVE fit when you posted it... right? I would only go pvping in that fit, a t3 cruiser on the battlefield will be primary with no doubt and I ain't sacrificing tank for a web and scram (which others in gang can do). For solo work, it's a too expensive ship to risk.. If outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 it will die as horrible as any other ship..
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.12 06:45:00 - [13] Quote: Shield Resists are 53/90.6/85.9/76.6 with a shield capacity of 7469 The shield booster regenerates 152.25 shield per second, and can perma tank. DPS is 596 with a volley damage of 2283. How about posting the numbers we care about? What is the EHP? What is the effective defense? Way too lazy to calculate it myself, but it is pretty obvious that against a pure EM enemy it is barely 300. With such a huge EM hole (and also explosive), pvp'ing in this is pure suicide, you will be primaried, and both lasers and EMP projectiles will very fast overwelm your tank. Then you can better use one of those crazy passive setups posted before (for the others though). And like said before, except the dps tanked a simple drake is better in most ways. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Arkons of Myth Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.12 07:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Ko Shimin on 12/04/2009 07:04:36 EHP is 39825. Defence is 683/689 on uniform damage distribution, 569/582 for amarr type damage, 1366/1397 for gallente type damage, 570/583 for minmatar EMP. "a simple drake is better in most ways".. agree, at current cost, I would with no doubt buy and fit 60-70 drakes instead of a strategic cruiser.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.12 07:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/04/2009 22:10:45 It's a mission ship. Who cares. T3 cruisers (Loki included) are balanced (with each other) just fine for PvP, and that's what counts.
Holy Lowlander Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.12 07:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Ko Shimin None of the other strategic cruisers can provide maximum DPS and TANK (perma tank even) at the same time. Loki, Legion and Proteus.. you want dps you sacrifice tank, you want tank then you sacrifice dps. Tengu can do both. As I see it, Tengu would probably kick the crap out of the Loki or Proteus while a nos/neut Legion might create some problems. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.. the way I see it the proteus would kick the crap out of the tengu ... the drone config allows 3 highslots without turret slots for neuts and you have 4 ogre II's .. ooh and a 500 k ehp buffer ... they stole my sig :'(
Lilith Velkor Minmatar OVERLOAD. Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.04.12 08:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Ko Shimin For solo work, it's a too expensive ship to risk.. If outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 it will die as horrible as any other ship.. Hmm, I see them shining as solo ships due to their versatility really (and you'll need to be careful as **** while soloing in one ofc). These expensive ships are gonna be of no use in gangs except like 4-man ones, as any tank folds to enough damage and thats crap if you know you're the first one to die ;)
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.04.12 14:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Ko Shimin The fitting I have posted seems excelent for both PVE and PVP activities, while the other cruisers need diferent fittings for each role.. Nice troll. Rather subtle most people don't even seem to get the joke... -- Originally by: Jasper Dark I agree! Lets go back into caves and lick rocks!

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