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Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:44:00 -
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To do this you will need:
Your mining vessel at least lightly tanked. An alt in a noob ship. If you cannot field two characters at once ask a corp mate to do this part.
Pick a fairly fresh belt you want to mine in. Set up your mining vessel in this belt. Bring in the alt and with a token attempt have him attack your mining vessel. Concord responds and blows up the alt. Concord sits in your belt as a body guard for a few hours after that while you mine away to your hearts content. Your whole corp can mine in there for that matter. Concord leaves? Have the alt attack again.
If everyone would do this it would basically shut down Schoolyardbullyageddon. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
333
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:50:00 -
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You do realize that Concord can be drawn out from those belts by gankers using the same tactic you provided, right? If anything, you have effectively helped the gankers prepare the system. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:58:00 -
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A simple re-attack by the alt fixes that. The gankers arent going to d1ck around in that belt all day waiting for a target. They will move on. Miners in their home system will have a clear advantage. |
Magnus Madhammer
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:11:00 -
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Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
21
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:17:00 -
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Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit.
To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
920
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:34:00 -
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OR ... leave hisec. |
Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:40:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status.
It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live.
Why?
Because I can.
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Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:41:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:OR ... leave hisec.
I don't know why you people keep saying this. You really have no idea. Its ridiculous to think some of us would give up the huge network of things we have going in empire. I lived on 0.0 for two years. The politics and the egotistical fleet commanders and the endless list of alliance rules suck monkey butt.
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Ravnik
The Phoenix Rising P R I M E
22
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:42:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live.
Seems like gankers have a whole lot more going for them than miners.
After a failed career as a comedian i decided to take up piloting. My flying techniques have got more laughs than my jokes ever did.....
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Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:42:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live.
Show me where CCP has stated its an exploit. |
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Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:51:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live. Show me where CCP has stated its an exploit.
I would if I could be bothered.
Find it yourself. Why?
Because I can.
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Vincenzo DiFrancesco
The Fancy Hats Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:09:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Chris Cooley wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live. Show me where CCP has stated its an exploit. I would if I could be bothered. Find it yourself.
You'll find it in Goons' Jita Hellcamp, where they used that tactic constantly, while being allowed to by CCP. Believe me, if it were an exploit being used to that degree in that location there would be a lot of Goonies on EVE-vacation right now.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
920
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:16:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Velicitia wrote:OR ... leave hisec. I don't know why you people keep saying this. You really have no idea.
1. 20m SP in industry. 2. I mine fairly regularly
Chris Cooley wrote:Its ridiculous to think some of us would give up the huge network of things we have going in empire.
Lowsec is still a part of empire space.
Chris Cooley wrote:I lived on 0.0 for two years. The politics and the egotistical fleet commanders and the endless list of alliance rules suck monkey butt.
I never said anything about nullsec. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1461
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:24:00 -
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FINALLY someone comes up with this. I've been sitting on it for months.
If you see Concord disappear, warp to a safe or dock up because you know a gank is incoming. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:51:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:To do this you will need:
Your mining vessel at least lightly tanked. An alt in a noob ship. If you cannot field two characters at once ask a corp mate to do this part.
Pick a fairly fresh belt you want to mine in. Set up your mining vessel in this belt. Bring in the alt and with a token attempt have him attack your mining vessel. Concord responds and blows up the alt. Concord sits in your belt as a body guard for a few hours after that while you mine away to your hearts content. Your whole corp can mine in there for that matter. Concord leaves? Have the alt attack again.
If everyone would do this it would basically shut down Schoolyardbullyageddon. This is a borderline exploit and reflects the typical carebear entitlement in its desire to have the game protect you so you don't have to learn what you're doing.
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Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:54:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:Chris Cooley wrote:To do this you will need:
Your mining vessel at least lightly tanked. An alt in a noob ship. If you cannot field two characters at once ask a corp mate to do this part.
Pick a fairly fresh belt you want to mine in. Set up your mining vessel in this belt. Bring in the alt and with a token attempt have him attack your mining vessel. Concord responds and blows up the alt. Concord sits in your belt as a body guard for a few hours after that while you mine away to your hearts content. Your whole corp can mine in there for that matter. Concord leaves? Have the alt attack again.
If everyone would do this it would basically shut down Schoolyardbullyageddon. This is a borderline exploit and reflects the typical carebear entitlement in its desire to have the game protect you so you don't have to learn what you're doing.
Cry me a river.... Sucks to be the schoolyard bully now doesnt it? Get a real job......
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Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:56:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Joran Dravius wrote:Chris Cooley wrote:To do this you will need:
Your mining vessel at least lightly tanked. An alt in a noob ship. If you cannot field two characters at once ask a corp mate to do this part.
Pick a fairly fresh belt you want to mine in. Set up your mining vessel in this belt. Bring in the alt and with a token attempt have him attack your mining vessel. Concord responds and blows up the alt. Concord sits in your belt as a body guard for a few hours after that while you mine away to your hearts content. Your whole corp can mine in there for that matter. Concord leaves? Have the alt attack again.
If everyone would do this it would basically shut down Schoolyardbullyageddon. This is a borderline exploit and reflects the typical carebear entitlement in its desire to have the game protect you so you don't have to learn what you're doing. Cry me a river.... Sucks to be the schoolyard bully now doesnt it? Get a real job......
Awww... Poor caerbaer. :( Turns out his brilliant way of avoiding ganks happens to be an exploit.
Mad? Why?
Because I can.
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:02:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Joran Dravius wrote:Chris Cooley wrote:To do this you will need:
Your mining vessel at least lightly tanked. An alt in a noob ship. If you cannot field two characters at once ask a corp mate to do this part.
Pick a fairly fresh belt you want to mine in. Set up your mining vessel in this belt. Bring in the alt and with a token attempt have him attack your mining vessel. Concord responds and blows up the alt. Concord sits in your belt as a body guard for a few hours after that while you mine away to your hearts content. Your whole corp can mine in there for that matter. Concord leaves? Have the alt attack again.
If everyone would do this it would basically shut down Schoolyardbullyageddon. This is a borderline exploit and reflects the typical carebear entitlement in its desire to have the game protect you so you don't have to learn what you're doing. Cry me a river.... Sucks to be the schoolyard bully now doesnt it? Get a real job...... Please. Suicide ganking is beneath me. Don't lump me in with those high sec carebears. |
Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:02:00 -
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Its an exploit because some wet behind the ears says n00b says so???? LMAO!
You smell like a Griefageddon alt.
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Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:04:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Its an exploit because some wet behind the ears says n00b says so???? LMAO!
You smell like a Griefageddon alt.
Awww... I'm glad you took the time to smell me.
I like it when carebears gets so close they can smell me, makes it so much easier to kick them.
Why?
Because I can.
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:07:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Its an exploit because some wet behind the ears says n00b says so???? LMAO! I started in phase 3 of closed beta. You're the wet behind the ears "n00b".
Chris Cooley wrote:You smell like a Griefageddon alt. See my above post. Hulkageddon amuses me, but I dislike full time suicide gankers as much if not more than you do. You're both carebears to me. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
36
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:37:00 -
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So an exploit that minimises the risk of being ganked = perfectly fine, but an exploit that makes it easier to gank = cheating? I love miner logic. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
250
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:54:00 -
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It's not an exploit.
And if it was, you'll get warned first. It takes a pretty long history of abuse before any particular exploit gets a ban first with no warning.
Carebears, do this. You may think I'm trolling you, considering I'm ostensibly one of the bad guys, but I'd really rather see anti-griefer techniques become commonplace than see CCP nerf us more because the carebears are too lazy to protect their ****. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:58:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:It's not an exploit.
And if it was, you'll get warned first. It takes a pretty long history of abuse before any particular exploit gets a ban first with no warning.
Carebears, do this. You may think I'm trolling you, considering I'm ostensibly one of the bad guys, but I'd really rather see anti-griefer techniques become commonplace than see CCP nerf us more because the carebears are too lazy to protect their ****. That's not a "technique". It's unintended, borderline exploit use of game mechanics. I view it no differently then wardec shedding and neutral RR. People, including myself, have told them over and over how they can legitimately avoid being ganked. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3047
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:27:00 -
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its hilarious when people try to do this, it's like a giant neon sign that says "gank me and you will get amazing rage"
and then we do |
Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:33:00 -
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Not any more........ Looks like your days of knocking children off of tricycles are over. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3047
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:36:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Not any more........ Looks like your days of knocking children off of tricycles are over. 1)tornado 2)while in warp to target, pull concord: by the time the miner realizes what is happening he's already being shot
i prefer #1 just because of how glorious it is that one second the miner is smug about his invincibility and the next he is wondering where his ship went |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3047
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:37:00 -
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#2 though has the advantage you can probably pod the miner too, and is cheaper for our less rich bretheren |
Chris Cooley
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:42:00 -
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Have fun spending all day trying to set that up. Sorry pal.......its a new New Eden. Get a real job. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3047
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:44:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Have fun spending all day trying to set that up. Sorry pal.......its a new New Eden. Get a real job. its incredibly easy any ganking squad will have a concord-puller
some people thought they were clever during the ice interdiction, i violently disabused them of that notion (though at the time i used an apoc instead) |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3047
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:45:00 -
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and my bretheren would routinely pull concord, and if someone was quick on the draw respawning it, setting up the timing is still incredibly easy
"we're in warp, shoot now" |
Ashrun Dir
Love for You Forsaken.Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:56:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:It's not an exploit.
And if it was, you'll get warned first. It takes a pretty long history of abuse before any particular exploit gets a ban first with no warning.
Carebears, do this. You may think I'm trolling you, considering I'm ostensibly one of the bad guys, but I'd really rather see anti-griefer techniques become commonplace than see CCP nerf us more because the carebears are too lazy to protect their ****.
Pyschotic Monk is correct, using an alt or a corp mate to summon Concord to your belt to "protect" you is not an exploit.
What is considered an exploit is summoning concord with your alt and then erasing your alt once your security status drops below -2. Here you are avoiding the consequences of your actions (low sec status).
A somewhat dated discussion on this topic was shown (I have not been able to find a more current post):
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=818978&page=2#42
CCP responds several times in this post, but I think the two most important responses by CCP are post numbers 42 & 43, halfway through the second page. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
547
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:10:00 -
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You guys do realize this is a 1 to 2 month old noob of a toon whom (OP) is being smug and such right?
Just checking....
Oh and post with your main. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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The Crushah
the unified Negative Ten.
21
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:15:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:Have fun spending all day trying to set that up. Sorry pal.......its a new New Eden. Get a real job.
Dude, we do it all the time. Youre yammering on like Hulkageddon is the first time we have done this. Some of us have been killing miners for years. We know all the tricks and all the ways the carebears try to thwart gods work. You cant win, the only reason your Hulk continues to live is 1) you dont undock it or, 2) were too lazy to go after it. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
250
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:18:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote: That's not a "technique". It's unintended, borderline exploit use of game mechanics. I view it no differently then wardec shedding and neutral RR. People, including myself, have told them over and over how they can legitimately avoid being ganked.
And yet dec scraping and neut RR still see use every day. Do they suck? Yes. Are they ****** gameplay design? Absolutely! Despite that, they're a factor of gameplay. I'd love to see them both dead, but I'm not going to accuse anyone who uses them of lack of some kind of... e-honour? I mean, really? At nearly a decade in, there are still people who are trying to bring Bushido into my game of space-cutthroats?
Whether it's intended or not, you're a dumbass if you're trying to pound nails into wood with your bare hands when there's a hammer on your tool belt.
If you want to compete, you have to be competitive.
Edit: Other dudes in this thread are talking about how your security measures won't save you. There are techniques for everything. They have techniques to counter your ****, just as you should have techniques to counter theirs. If their techniques beat yours, then all that means is that they've won and you need to think harder.
On the other hand, if you have no kung-fu at all, then you're a simpleton **** and blowing you up is not just a victory, but a service they've rendered to the playerbase as a whole. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
547
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:29:00 -
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The Crushah wrote:Chris Cooley wrote:Have fun spending all day trying to set that up. Sorry pal.......its a new New Eden. Get a real job. Dude, we do it all the time. Youre yammering on like Hulkageddon is the first time we have done this. Some of us have been killing miners for years. We know all the tricks and all the ways the carebears try to thwart gods work. You cant win, the only reason your Hulk continues to live is 1) you dont undock it or, 2) were too lazy to go after it.
3) He's a tool or an idiot.
And Pschyotic Monk has a point....people have been doing this for a long time now...and the concord trick your bringing up is a waste of time.
Bottom line is this...if someone wants you dead....your gonna get podded...regardless of what you do or how you do it. Get over yourself and take a hike nooblet....welcome to EVE Online. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Eryn Velasquez
39
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:49:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote: Why?
Because I can.
You know why male dogs lick their balls? GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1469
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:53:00 -
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Let's make it clear here: this won't make you 100% safe. You still won't survive if they bring enough alpha. A well-coordinated group will pull Concord seconds before a ganker lands, giving you little time to react. You still need to properly tank your exhumer. ECM drones wouldn't hurt either.
When I proposed this same idea on TS a while back, it was a response to the now-dead boomerang. It has the added benefit of deterring any solo gankers who can't alpha your ship. It's not perfect, but it's another tool available to miners who are keen on security.
Don't worry, gankers. Most miners aren't bright enough (or human enough) to use this sort of thing. Consider it a form of Darwinism. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:58:00 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote: Why?
Because I can.
You know why male dogs lick their balls?
Tears.
That's why. Why?
Because I can.
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Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:12:00 -
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I ganked miners right in front of concord. Just need couple extra arty thrashers to alpha a hulk, it works in 0.9 and 1.0 systems very reliably. |
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Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
117
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:25:00 -
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Ashrun Dir wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:It's not an exploit.
And if it was, you'll get warned first. It takes a pretty long history of abuse before any particular exploit gets a ban first with no warning.
Carebears, do this. You may think I'm trolling you, considering I'm ostensibly one of the bad guys, but I'd really rather see anti-griefer techniques become commonplace than see CCP nerf us more because the carebears are too lazy to protect their ****. Pyschotic Monk is correct, using an alt or a corp mate to summon Concord to your belt to "protect" you is not an exploit. What is considered an exploit is summoning concord with your alt and then erasing your alt once your security status drops below -2. Here you are avoiding the consequences of your actions (low sec status). A somewhat dated discussion on this topic was shown (I have not been able to find a more current post): http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=818978&page=2#42CCP responds several times in this post, but I think the two most important responses by CCP are post numbers 42 & 43, halfway through the second page.
Bleh, I was just going to post the exact same thing.
Basically, as long as you don't delete the alt you can spawn Concord in your belt. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
76
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:08:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:To do this you will need:
Your mining vessel at least lightly tanked. An alt in a noob ship. If you cannot field two characters at once ask a corp mate to do this part.
Pick a fairly fresh belt you want to mine in. Set up your mining vessel in this belt. Bring in the alt and with a token attempt have him attack your mining vessel. Concord responds and blows up the alt. Concord sits in your belt as a body guard for a few hours after that while you mine away to your hearts content. Your whole corp can mine in there for that matter. Concord leaves? Have the alt attack again.
If everyone would do this it would basically shut down Schoolyardbullyageddon.
This doesn't stop a Tornado from killing you.
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Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
79
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:12:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:
Cry me a river.... Sucks to be the schoolyard bully now doesnt it? Get a real job......
We have a job. It's called ganking T2 mining ships and salvaging/looting them for profit. It's completely legit.
Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
53
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:18:00 -
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Concord being on grid will not save you.
. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
126
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:57:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live.
Clueless? It's well documented that pulling Concord is within the bounds of proper gameplay.....Go read up... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2136
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:20:00 -
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It's been a while since we had this stupid 'idea' revealed again. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1112
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Posted - 2012.05.05 06:33:00 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote: Why?
Because I can.
You know why male dogs lick their balls?
Because they can, hell I'd do it if I could
<,< >,>
*Signs up for yoga* |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
101
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
I don't know if there has been a change I am not aware of but CCP has said in the past that concord spawns entirely new police ships for any infraction. Don't be surprised if the ships your sent so much time calling to your belt do nothing if you get ganked. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3064
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:08:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:I don't know if there has been a change I am not aware of but CCP has said in the past that concord spawns entirely new police ships for any infraction. Don't be surprised if the ships your sent so much time calling to your belt do nothing if you get ganked. that's not correct at all |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:30:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote: Why?
Because I can.
You know why male dogs lick their balls? Because they can, hell I'd do it if I could <,< >,> *Signs up for yoga*
Pretty sure you don't need to learn Yoga to lick a dogs balls, you just need to get yourself a dog. I've not tried and I'm not going to though so I could be wrong. |
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GreenSeed
36
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:49:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Chris Cooley wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live. Show me where CCP has stated its an exploit. I would if I could be bothered. Find it yourself. baiting Concord is not an exploit, gankers have been doing it since theres concord. now, how much of an effect does it have on response time? i dont think theres anything definite really.
on ice belts for example, if theres concord on belt and you hit a barge more concord spawns, the concord ship on belt WILL lock you and jam (if they are close), but its unclear if they are the ones blowig you up or the new arrivals.
anyone whos been hit by concord know theres small dps on you at first then its a one shot, considering that the actual concord response is the JAMMING and not the uberlazor they fire at you, then id say theres a small 4 - 5 seconds increase in response time if concord is on grid and close to you.
disco ganks dont care for this, BUT if you disco the concord ships you spawn a damn armada on your head. :D |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:36:00 -
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Yes, this will definitely help you when my Tornado(s) blow you up in one shot. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
634
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:48:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:That's not a "technique". It's unintended, borderline exploit use of game mechanics. I view it no differently then wardec shedding and neutral RR. People, including myself, have told them over and over how they can legitimately avoid being ganked.
Your view doesn't matter. Its amazing I know, but you are not a GM and those guys seem to have more power then a developer. Like internet space game lawyers. Pulling CONCORD into or out of an area is not an exploit, this became more widely known like 2 Wankageddon's ago and nothing has been done since....only Boomerange was fixed because you are not supposed to avoid the risk of losing your ship to CONCORD after attacking...nothing says you can lose it after 10 minutes for example and because when you warp off not only does CONCORD have response time but during warp they can't target you and then have to respond at the next attack (which is why its exploitable...you are avoiding EVERY attempt at CONCORD to get you). |
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:18:00 -
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I do get annoyed by the arguments....from both sides to be honest. I can understand 'carebears' getting peeved by losing hulks when just minding their own business....as I have in the past.
I also get annoyed at the attitude of others who seem to think that the game is solely PvP and they have the right to do what they want. But more so the palygroung bully approach of some on the forums. I also have respect for others who put forward intelligent and thoughtful posts. I have to say that I agree with something Floppy said (apologise for paraphrasing but cba to scroll ) The rules are the rules some are rubbish (yeah neutrall RR is a pain for one) and both 'sides' live with it, gankers do get hacked off with changes (orca, boomerang et al) but then say **** it.....what else can we do...they innovate. What do miners do....they whine . I would not welcome high sec becoming completely safe. It would kill a lot of the aspects of the game and high sec war decs, ganking and generally arseyness are part of what makes Eve the sandbox it is, most of those things can be annoying but if you look at what you can get out of it you can have a laugh. I hate to say it but if you want completely safe gameplay there are lots of choices out there.
Saying that, in my current corp we have a guy who actually looks forward to hulkageddon and dusts of his Hulk.....not sure of his kill tally but he got a Talos the other day - oh and it was fitted with 4 T2 mag stabs....so decent DPS. His KB stats get hilarious during this event and why? Because he fits a decent tank,fits the ship to survive multiple ganks at once and then sets his drones on the ganker, getting the KM. You know, if all miners could even be bothered to try half of what he does the event would fail.....whining on here and then mining fit for maximum yield.....well I have no sympathy
And I am a 'carebear' , I mine , mission invent and build....I also go on roams occasionally with the corp into low sec for the laughs - well they laugh at how crap I am.....so FFS stop whining and do something positive, or stay docked, mine in 1.0 or change trade! |
Trollin
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:53:00 -
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if you actually want to mine safely albeit slight less efficient, you need to take fast ship and make several bookmarks offgrid of the belt in a big arc similar to the belt, make a BM of the corner roid, then warp to that, align to 1st offgrid bm you made, and mine in motion @75% speed, with d-scan click every 5-10 seconds with 150,000,000km setting, if you see anyting other than youself, warp out of the current belt and set yourself up in another or have a few systems you bm'd
honestly tho mining is crap in eve, you would be better off tradind/doing PI/or just bout anything other than mining. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:42:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live. Stuff like this happens in any game that has law, as well as in real life (they work differently, but meh). Why shouldn't it happen in EVE?
Example: Serial killer, well, serial kills in a particular neighborhood, police focus on that, some otherwise quite obvious crimes in other neighborhoods might get neglected. A step further would be a police shoot out against a gang, allowing other gang members to do crimes that would otherwise required to be stealthy and at night and very cautiously, without being noticed. |
Darth Snuggles
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:19:00 -
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Chris Cooley wrote:...suck monkey butt.
The mental image alone twists my stomach in queasy knots. |
Cpt Roghie
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Posted - 2012.05.07 06:05:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:Magnus Madhammer wrote:Please do so. I will make sure to report the exploit. To my knowledge, the only exploitive aspect to this is if the alt-in-noobship character gets Biomassed to shed them of negative security status. It's an exploit. Kind of like how gankers can't summon concord elsewhere to gain extra time, Miners can't summon concord to live. Stuff like this happens in any game that has law, as well as in real life (they work differently, but meh). Why shouldn't it happen in EVE? Example: Serial killer, well, serial kills in a particular neighborhood, police focus on that, some otherwise quite obvious crimes in other neighborhoods might get neglected. A step further would be a police shoot out against a gang, allowing other gang members to do crimes that would otherwise required to be stealthy and at night and very cautiously, without being noticed.
I'd like to know how many other games you know of where this is possible. I certantly don't know any. Yes, rules are meant to be broken... so really, **** it. Why?
Because I can.
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