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Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.15 01:37:00 -
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I've noticed some interesting facts about many of the temperate (life bearing) planets throughout the cluster; many have rather high atmospheric pressures, especially inhabited worlds such as Caldari Prime in the Luminaire system. The average atmo pressure is at 646 kPa, compared to Terran standard of about 101 kPa. Even Gallente Prime is over 200 kPa.
Thoughts? Am I looking into this a bit too much? (on a side note I'm kind of sad that it takes Caldari Prime over 5000 days to orbit the Luminaire star). |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.09.15 07:22:00 -
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This kind of inaccuracy is rife, unfortunately. I distinctly remember seeing stars that are older than the universe itself every now and then. Best to just ignore it, in my opinion. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.09.15 16:56:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:This kind of inaccuracy is rife, unfortunately. I distinctly remember seeing stars that are older than the universe itself every now and then. Best to just ignore it, in my opinion.
Can you be sure we have that 100% right and that are knowledge has never changed over time?
That's the thing with modern scientists they believe themselves to be infallible.
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Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.15 22:40:00 -
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OK well let's say that Terra standard humans live on 101kPa or about 14psi. We accept that because it's the life we know, but what about people that go from Gallente Prime to Caldari Prime? Do they need pressure suits? Do they need to be adjusted to the pressure like divers would? Caldari Prime sounds like a pretty unfriendly place, being more than 6 atmospheres from normal, or about 94psi. I know that perhaps if life started from the ground up in that environment it might be one thing, but for regular humans, or even those used to Gallente Primes atmo pressure, Caldari Prime aside from it's greater usable land area...I forgot where I was going with this... |
Seraph Cruoris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 08:39:00 -
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you were going to say that the change would be quite drastic and possibly life threatening? lol
but i think you sort of nailed the most probable solution, atmospheric adjustment in some form of pressure chamber, it wouldn't be too surprising if then there is a means of doing it 'faster' so its all feels natural moving from one area to another without a 'cooling off' period in a massive tank lol or truth be told..eve-humans are a lot shorter than their Terran ancestors hehe....
otherwise in terms of dates etc for all we know we dont know if EVE is the same 'universe' as Earth's (mind you i haven't read every chronicle so this is pure conjecture on my part); but more grounded explanation is the change of our understanding of the laws of the universe and our knowledge of it....
or they really didn't expect you to read too much into it....or again we could all really just be midgets and its not really the same universe we believed it to be....*dum dum dum* |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:49:00 -
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New Eden was generated procedurally with an arbitrary number inputted as a 'seed.' Later, other automated processes swapped around planet types during the Tyrannis expansion.
I think it's just that these stats were generated randomly and nobody at CCP bothered to review them and make sure they're within believable parameters. There was a thread in the old forums addressing inconsistencies between the lore/chronicles and the actual planets we see in-game (e.g., the Mannar 'homeworld' being Barren, Pator being an archipelago planet where it is described with vast plains and mountain ranges, a quarantined world devastated by a mysterious virus being open to PI, etc. etc.). And those were just the glaringly obvious inconsistencies, not accounting for the strange values we see in the 'info' screen of a planet.
Making sure the in-game universe actually fits the story being told doesn't seem to be a high priority at CCP at the moment.
This is a shame, to be honest. If the next Star Wars MMO opened with Coruscant being a largely jungle planet with a few villages here and there, you can bet that the fanbase would be up in arms. That CCP isn't putting out the effort just degrades their brand. |
AureoLion
Etoilles Mortant Ltd.
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:24:00 -
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@shaalira: Trantor called, and said that planets change with time :D |
Ranud Sunraker
Brothers of Destiny
Phobia.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:31:00 -
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The problem with the high pressures lies primarily in Nitrogen Narcosis and Oxygen Toxicity.
Such high pressures of those two gases can and will be fatal for humans to breathe over a prolonged period of time.
So i guess that Caldari Prime is covered in Shelters and people can only step outside while wearing pressure suits,
or they are genetically or cybernetically enhanced to withstand those environment conditions.
Another factor is the atmospheric composition.
If the partial pressure of nitrogen and oxygen is low enough, it could at least be breathable (at least on Gallente),
but the natives would still have to use decompression chambers if they wanted to avoid decompression sickness
when traveling to other worlds, space stations etc. |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:11:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Jovan Geldon wrote:This kind of inaccuracy is rife, unfortunately. I distinctly remember seeing stars that are older than the universe itself every now and then. Best to just ignore it, in my opinion. Can you be sure we have that 100% right and that are knowledge has never changed over time? That's the thing with modern scientists they believe themselves to be infallible.
I think what you meant to say that most people believe modern scientists believe they are infallible. There's a reason they prefer to associate with other scientists.
So it goes. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:30:00 -
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As long as the pressure changes is slowly a human can survive 6 times atmospheric pressures easily (and even be quite comfortable). Which means Caldari prime likely has pressure chambers on its space ports, which would slowly acclimate a person to the new pressure upon arrival or lower pressure upon leaving... Much like a diver does now.
So no problem here... Unless its some absurd pressure like 25 times or so. |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.10 16:33:00 -
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AureoLion wrote:@shaalira: Trantor called, and said that planets change with time :D
If planets actually changed due to epic long-term storytelling, that would be great.
The point is that many of the planets, mechanically speaking, don't match what the lore says. In a living, breathing Foundation universe, Trantor would go from a global metropolis to a run-down husk where an agrarian society is reclaiming farmland from the planet-city section by section. The situation in EVE is that you fly out to Trantor, see a plasma planet, and go '???' |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.07 10:23:00 -
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Bumping for an important subject. |
Borascus
Hole Diggers
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:41:00 -
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Potentially incorporated to assist with the understanding of Muscle Atrophy?
i.e. the growth of tissue under high pressure would prevent its expansion and subsequent lack of cohesion in long-term exposure to zero-gravity?
Like twisting rope to make it more rigid. |
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