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Tusko Hopkins HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded 9	Posted - 2012.05.04 17:26:00 - [1] - Quote I am a bit disappointed. As far as I can remember, AT9 has already got a lot of critics for being sized for 64 teams only and a couple of famous alliances were missing from the tournament while some noname alliances got in. I was kinda hoping that the organizers learned from this mistake and changed the format somehow to allow more teams to compete. I understand that increasing the team count also increases the number of matches to be played during qualification which increases the effort required by CCP to organize it, but it is not impossible to create a 128-team version of the tourney without doubling the number of matches needed.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2341	Posted - 2012.05.04 18:28:00 - [2] - Quote Well they intend to get rid of alternative teams of same alliances, so it should free up some slots without the need to increase the number of teams allowed to participate.
Seldarine Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 13	Posted - 2012.05.04 18:50:00 - [3] - Quote The main problem is with the auction and random draw imo. With no reserved slots, any team that wants to be guaranteed in the tournament will have to buy a slot in the auctions. This year all the top teams will be bidding so if there are limited auctions slots, no matter the isk cost, some good alliances who take the tournament seriously are going to have to rely on the random draw. And because the random draw is well.... random, there will be the case again of good, entertaining teams not getting in, whilst terrible, unprepared teams that may or may not even bother to turn up for their matches get a spot. Much like what happened last year. I hope whoever is organising the tournament realises this and makes sure there are enough slots up for auction so that all the serious teams can get a guaranteed place.
Terios Corvalis HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 21:28:00 - [4] - Quote I think every alliance signing up deserves a chance, let them all in, even more teams than 128 if needed, but only the best 32 going to the finals. Last year's tournament was unfair, not to mention the finals...
Runnak Orozar Koa Mai Hoku SQUEE. 2	Posted - 2012.05.05 07:49:00 - [5] - Quote Why don't we wait till after this tournament to decide wether they learned from their mistakes. There's not all that much they can change for this year, as everything has been announced. Still comments after the tournament can help them improve next year.
Seldarine Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 13	Posted - 2012.05.05 10:23:00 - [6] - Quote Runnak Orozar wrote: Why don't we wait till after this tournament to decide wether they learned from their mistakes. There's not all that much they can change for this year, as everything has been announced. Still comments after the tournament can help them improve next year. They never do and they never listen.
Time Funnel Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore 129	Posted - 2012.05.06 16:20:00 - [7] - Quote It would be most excellent to give every team that signs up a chance. Offering the buyouts and not a pure draw is just a way to pacify the very loud teams that have enough ISK to buy their way in anyway. I would definately be in favor of a format that allows all signups to get into the initial matches.

CCP Loxy C C P C C P Alliance 85	Posted - 2012.05.07 11:03:00 - [8] - Quote Seldarine wrote: Runnak Orozar wrote: Why don't we wait till after this tournament to decide wether they learned from their mistakes. There's not all that much they can change for this year, as everything has been announced. Still comments after the tournament can help them improve next year. They never do and they never listen. We believe we have a good balance this year for the sign ups, if a big team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. More details this week, we're just waiting to get the random draw page finished. Video Producer

Seldarine Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 13	Posted - 2012.05.07 12:04:00 - [9] - Quote Thanx for the response, awaiting with hope :)
Zowie Powers Hole in the wall 76	Posted - 2012.05.07 17:55:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: We believe we have a good balance this year for the sign ups, if a big team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. At least it doesn't sound like CCP intend to rig the outcome in anyway.
Faffywaffy Fremen Sietch DarkSide. 9	Posted - 2012.05.08 08:34:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: We believe we have a good balance this year for the sign ups, if a big team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. Ah, yes. So if Darkside doesn't make it in the draw we can only really blame ourselves? We're not a sov-holding alliance with billions of moon ISK, and we didn't get 50 frigs/cruisers worth tens of billions each. We can't afford the auction.
Seldarine Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 13	Posted - 2012.05.08 09:39:00 - [12] - Quote Faffywaffy wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: We believe we have a good balance this year for the sign ups, if a big team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. Ah, yes. So if Darkside doesn't make it in the draw we can only really blame ourselves? We're not a sov-holding alliance with billions of moon ISK, and we didn't get 50 frigs/cruisers worth tens of billions each. We can't afford the auction. We are in a similar situation, we live in NPC sov 0.0, pvp all the time but are not in any way wealthy. I really hope CCP doesn't think that "big team" just means team from big sov holding alliance, because in the history of the tournament, the teams from the sov holding alliances have consistently been the worst.
Tyzzara Stimulus Rote Kapelle 1	Posted - 2012.05.11 02:09:00 - [13] - Quote From my point of view increasing the number of participants is positive in almost every regard. Implementation details may vary but the bottom line is 64 slots seems a bit thin. Is it though? 128 teams would create potential for many boring/garbage matches to sit through. I am assuming it would be done without doubling number of matches of course... but either way. Can this event support 128 teams and still stay interesting enough to be a part of? Regardless of involvement (player, producer, designer, janitor, fan, forum *****) once you get into 100+ participants it has to be at least as interesting as NCAA or people will stop attending in all areas. Maybe EVE is now large enough to just go all out and still have a worthwhile annual event. Everybody gets a shot but most get knocked out first round. AFK Time Zone
Zastrow GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 60	Posted - 2012.05.11 05:23:00 - [14] - Quote The CCP dudes running the tournament are basically just volunteers who give up their weekends for a month to do this. Having more than 64 teams would require more manpower and budget to handle proctoring more matches.
Tyzzara Stimulus Rote Kapelle 1	Posted - 2012.05.11 05:27:00 - [15] - Quote Zastrow wrote: The CCP dudes running the tournament are basically just volunteers who give up their weekends for a month to do this. Having more than 64 teams would require more manpower and budget to handle proctoring more matches. IF that is true then I will revisit my view on the entire tournament. Although I agree there has to be a limit to resources input and being able to manage it. Perhaps we are at that limit all ready. AFK Time Zone
Faffywaffy Fremen Sietch DarkSide. 10	Posted - 2012.05.11 12:39:00 - [16] - Quote Zastrow wrote: The CCP dudes running the tournament are basically just volunteers who give up their weekends for a month to do this. Having more than 64 teams would require more manpower and budget to handle proctoring more matches. So that is what must change. CCP should make this an officially supported event, with proper resources dedicated to it.
Iteken Hotori The Flowing Penguins Iron Oxide. 2	Posted - 2012.05.11 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote Faffywaffy wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: We believe we have a good balance this year for the sign ups, if a big team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. Ah, yes. So if Darkside doesn't make it in the draw we can only really blame ourselves? We're not a sov-holding alliance with billions of moon ISK, and we didn't get 50 frigs/cruisers worth tens of billions each. We can't afford the auction. This is exactly the problem. Some scrub 0.0 renter alliance that thinks 'pvp' is a 500man gang with supercap support in a time dilated system gets spacerich of moons they are "allowed" by daddy blue blob, enters competition, and gets knocked out by one of the big 4 after being terible on live TV. CCP get their spectacle, they get the big name Alliances in the final 4, they get to promote their game. Small alliances that think PVP is about a 5-10 dudes who can actually fly getting into fights get the middle finger from CCP because "it's only 5-10bil to get in" and if you don't have that lying about you are a not worth the air time. Getting money out of your alliance for ships to fly in the tournament is one thing, but asking people to pony up billions so CCP can accumulate Real Life Money to promote their own game stinks. This isn't a PvP tournament, this is a "Who has accumulated the most ISK" tournament. Or as Monty Python puts it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnzFx7-5hhY#t=3m30s
Ur235 Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 32	Posted - 2012.05.15 22:15:00 - [18] - Quote Faffywaffy wrote: Zastrow wrote: The CCP dudes running the tournament are basically just volunteers who give up their weekends for a month to do this. Having more than 64 teams would require more manpower and budget to handle proctoring more matches. So that is what must change. CCP should make this an officially supported event, with proper resources dedicated to it. You cant officially support an event that is full of meta gaming cheaters and thrown matches come on get serious. CCP would only offically support it if the participants themselves get serious and stop all this meta faggotry (which is never ever going to happen). Thus its never ever going to be offically supported hmm
michael boltonIII 170	Posted - 2012.05.16 06:24:00 - [19] - Quote I don't understand what people want here. I keep hearing that people want there too be no team limit, and then other people think the signup prices is too high. You know who would sign up for a tournament that costs nothing, has unlimited slots, and gives you an opportunity to win more isk than you will ever need? Everyone. Everyone would sign up. You'd have devs working this thing for months every weekend, and you'd have the same small teams that "can't pay such a hefty fee" literally running out of money in lost ships over rounds upon rounds of prelim matches. Even MLG (A company who only does E-Sports) at Winter Championship only seeds about 200 teams in H:R, and this was one of their premiere events. Plus, they charge 70 bucks A HEAD for their big games if you want to compete. Anybody who really thinks they have a shot at winning can absolutely get into this tournament if they want too. You stand to win like 4 trillion isk worth of ships if you take first, i think you can front up a a few days worth of 10 people running missions.
Killer Gandry V I R I I Ineluctable. 431	Posted - 2012.05.16 13:22:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Loxy wrote: if a big wallet team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. Fixed your post to reflect the reality. The inability to reckognize this just shows the inability to set up a propper tournament.
Boof Duttus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.05.16 15:48:00 - [21] - Quote Ur235 wrote: meta gaming cheaters not sure if troll or geniunely stupid
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 723	Posted - 2012.05.24 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote Solution is stupid simple. Give us, the players the tools to do this in game. Let us run a 64 man tournament The top 21 teams from each tournament go on to the Main Alliance tournament . Plus the past winners. Then you can't blame yourself for not getting in due to sucking too much. CCP, we should have a tourney every 3 months, to bet on, watch, battle in. Even if the prize is simply a slot in the main event 9 months down the road. Come on CCP. I know you have what it takes to give us an offical way to set up our own tourymwnt. Yes yes, players will whine about sandbox this sandbox that. But being able to set up a little arena is something they would figure out in real life. IT's not like the ship loses wouldn't be real. And people would still be able to rig the matches, cheat, buy out other teams. As long as you keep the spirit of EVE in it, some sort of official player run tournies, eve if it's just one dev, 5 players CSM? and the normal game world. IF you could choose the people to fly in the alliance tourney based off of skill, that would be most welcomed. Plus once dust is big, and you've talked about tiing the two togther, a big match to watch once every 3 months would just be more impressive, instead of waiting for one part of the year. It might up how many players stick with eve. Also let us watch them on the CQ tv? Anyways, thank for giving this post a read, hope the future can be more fair than the current system. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000
Messoroz AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 239	Posted - 2012.05.24 22:25:00 - [23] - Quote Faffywaffy wrote: CCP Loxy wrote: We believe we have a good balance this year for the sign ups, if a big team doesn't make it in then they can only really blame themselves. Ah, yes. So if Darkside doesn't make it in the draw we can only really blame ourselves? We're not a sov-holding alliance with billions of moon ISK, and we didn't get 50 frigs/cruisers worth tens of billions each. We can't afford the auction. DarkSide got evicted from their wormhole farming system? Or did the carebears that live there not tell anyone else? Everyone has had the year to jew up the isk.
LooknSee Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.05.25 00:48:00 - [24] - Quote Not sure why people think big alliances should be guaranteed entry. Historically, with only a few exceptions, the big alliances have generally done quite poorly in the tournament. Turns out the alliance tournament requires a different skillset than aligning and pressing F1, who knew.

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