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Lucius Vindictus
Samarkand Financial
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Posted - 2012.05.07 01:15:00 -
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If Amarr uses Orbital strikes against typo's... I'm in trouble!  |
Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:02:00 -
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While I like the fact that you guys have obviously recognised the huge brain-fart required to miss the editing of that chron, about a chron that is a massive brain-fart of missed editing. So, Kudos there....
What REALLY bugs me is the singular fact you have mostly destroyed, as Graelyn said the brilliant and deep nature of the Amarrian races.
Who are we now, evil slavers with a zombie empress with crazy mind powers and really not anything of depth?
I would hope that somewhere along the line we can start returning the EVE I joined and loved, a dark universe of conflict of dark shades of grey, the leaders where good people in bad positions struggling to keep things under control.
Again, now? Not so much, I can't identify with any of the leaders, any of the positions, much of anything.
But really, What the HELL is with orbitally bombarding a planet that MIGHT have a book, with zero heretical content other than a misprinted word?
Even if this article is a light hearted one, it doesn't come across as such, if its not, its just frustrating. |
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CCP Abraxas
C C P
C C P Alliance
49
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:03:00 -
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Story's been edited to fix the '62nd' discrepancy. Thanks all for pointing out the problem and possible solutions 
Graelyn wrote:Now, the problem is that the Amarr as a faction are officially and canonically a f*cking joke. Not just irredeemably evil for the sake of evil, but actually stupid and moronic.
Now, It's not actually possible to be a sane individual and still support the Empire.
Those of us who have been doing so for the better part of a decade sure do feel silly now, don't we?
God knows I favor active storyline discussion, but yes, that was a bizarre comment you made and you should feel incredibly silly.
In the past few years we've published The Book of Emptiness, Two Deaths, Merely Disassembled, and King Slaver. Go even further back, and you find my chapter on them in The Burning Life, along with stories like Of God and her Beast. The nuances and moral grey areas of those pieces are arguably deeper than those of any other empire we've ever written about. These stories deal with questions of identity, faith, redemption and death, sexuality and love, and what it takes to destroy and rebuild someone using their faith as a lynchpin. I'm perfectly familiar with existing Amarr stereotypes, and I have never relied on them in my own writing.
So this positing that in recent years the Amarr have been reduced to evil cavemen is quite simply wrong. What I'm seeing instead is a fear from certain corners - and this isn't the first or second thread where it's popped up - that their roleplaying favorites will be cheapened with the addition of levity, humor, and other tones than somber, gloomy reverence.
Greyscale writes in a wonderfully British style, tongue firmly planted in cheek. He's describing orbital strikes against settlements accused of harboring a book. When you read something like that, you need to consider that you may not be expected to only take it literally. After all, if your aim is to see nuance, you need to accept that sometimes your faction will be the source of some of the greatest questions (and hopefully answers) known to Man in New Eden, and sometimes they're just going to do something crazy.
The chronicles aren't presented solely as literal news reports; they are that in part, but they're also, quite simply, a bunch of metaphors and styles and thoughts about the world around you, and they need to be treated like they have more than one layer of meaning. Not unlike most religious texts, come to think of it. |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
245
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:27:00 -
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I do want to say thank you CCP Abraxas for coming in here and answering our questions. |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:08:00 -
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Im going really offf topic here.... sorry about that.
Why I have to think about the dramatic chipmunk? And the backround music?  It is psychological interesting, as well that it feels like  the most used word here in the topic is brainfart. Im to only one how had that connection. Damn.
First: About:
"He's describing orbital strikes against settlements accused of harboring a book." thats why I have write this. Tip for the future.... you like to do so... just make a do so... CCP just make a Chron about that topic..... (P.S: see the line which I use, desnt even need a faction in it, so that part could than be totally open).
Second:
"The chronicles aren't presented solely as literal news reports; they are that in part, but they're also, quite simply, a bunch of metaphors and styles and thoughts about the world around you, and they need to be treated like they have more than one layer of meaning. Not unlike most religious texts, come to think of it." Yes and that what I see the Chron, a metaphor for Greyscale about a inside CCP topic (a mix out good inside joke and rant about people around.... maybe people which doesnt send the stuff upward (you know, like normal "hard" institutions are doing it , Publius trys to find the chart from Fritz Scharpf in the end of his book "Games Real Actors Play. Actor-Centered Institutionalism in Policy Research" about the cost of people in different institutions to get the their next higher level... aka Boss.
So I see the chron in the same way like my last lines.... a inside jokes.... which people know.... how read the same like me; or on your side had the same meeting etc..... (P.S. You see how not funny my Scharpf joke is.... arrrg... damn you Abraxas for dont get it or havent the same infos ).....
This was my rand on that topic......
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Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:14:00 -
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Totally forgot that..... ehm I have ones damn Bloodbird:
God I hate you :P BloodBird why your are bringing reason in this diskussion? Lets incriminate the victims; those with restricted information...
Now let me praise others... Ah ... that Publius drop is LA-Mask.... no... no
By the way I read also this: "involved me and Gnauton - the surviving members of the fiction team" And I know it is a world with short resources and damn....some have even shorter..... so dont get it the wrong way.
P.S. Try gets away from brainfart to damn.... |
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:42:00 -
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I was going with the idea of:
1. The Pax Ammarria is Bad News
2. The reason it is bad news isn't exactly what is stated in the chronicle, but the story in the chronicle is a theory that has come up, to explain some goings on.
To explain:
The notion of a central press printing everything is somewhat inefficient, given the size and scope of the Empire (40% of all inhabitable space or thereabouts, not including Mandate & Kingdom).
Instead, it is a network of local printers, but it is still "the court chamberlain's personal press", in the same manner of doing things as occurs in one of the Amarr COSMOS missions: Saint Ageroth being wrapped in a few thousand death shrouds, so that many different shrines can have "the genuine death shroud of Saint Ageroth"
So... during the printing process, one of the localised printers, made The Extra M, and as a result there was an Investigation.
And it was found that the local printer was also distributing Seditious Literature (gasp!), including things not too dissimilar to the http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fraudulent_Pax_Amarria
And, subsequent investigations find cultists, good old Sani Sabiks, hence, the Theology Council assault troopers.
Anyone with the Pax Ammarria, may be a Sani Sabik, according to the Investigation, Or a sympathiser. Or some other kind of seditious person, the nature of their treasonous heresy will be determined when they are found guilty at trial (they are always guilty).
So... the Pax Ammarria is Bad News, but the reasons why it is Bad News are Wildly Speculated About.
Least, that's how I'm interpreting it
Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/ |
Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:20:00 -
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I for one had a good laugh when I read the chronicle, and quickly hid my copy in a secure container.
A fun story, and I also think that not everything in EVE needs to be 100% serious all the time.
... I mean, what book ? I haven't seen any book ... No idea what you're all talking about.
/warp drive active |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:29:00 -
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Gouzu Kho wrote:I for one had a good laugh when I read the chronicle, and quickly hid my copy in a secure container. A fun story, and I also think that not everything in EVE needs to be 100% serious all the time. ... I mean, what book ? I haven't seen any book ... No idea what you're all talking about. /warp drive active
Sure, sure, sure.... all a question of taste
On an other topic.... can a actual brit come to this topic and defend the "british style" . i |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:11:00 -
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Bitterness aside, thanks to Greyscale for writing a chronicle about himself and for recognizing the importance of collector items.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage
Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:10:00 -
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Thanks for the response, Greyscale.
While I'll have to disagree with you in regards to the Amarr-being-stereotyped-lately thing, that is a discussion for another thread. I will make clear, though, that this is not something I feel to be endemic to CCP but rather limited to several specific fiction pieces, which for various reasons have come to dominate the greater EVE storyline and RPers' consciousness in the last few years.
As for this specific story, it appears that Poe's Law was in full effect here, and I'm glad that my suspicion that this was not to be taken seriously was confirmed. |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
1272
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:55:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Bitterness aside, thanks to Greyscale for writing a chronicle about himself and for recognizing the importance of collector items.
The best bit is that I made the Pax Ammaria the week before that patch went out |
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Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Esna Pitoojee wrote:As for this specific story, it appears that Poe's Law was in full effect here, and I'm glad that my suspicion that this was not to be taken seriously was confirmed.
Sure, sure, sure.... I think... John Stewart make last night my point (see here)....
[1] ones about inside jokes and the problem which they bring for the other viewer/readers (Those with less informations) ...
[2] and of course poe-¦s law... about captain Kirk .... and yes you can use Peo-¦s law and give full information (damn you Stewart ) ; like Stewart did with his "your were thinking I use it to create humor, NO".
By the way... that Stewart has does skills.... Ehm... does it make Stewart more "brit style"?
P.S. Still search for this problem: here. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.13 21:03:00 -
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Spooky stuff. |
Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2012.05.14 01:42:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:So this positing that in recent years the Amarr have been reduced to evil cavemen is quite simply wrong. What I'm seeing instead is a fear from certain corners - and this isn't the first or second thread where it's popped up - that their roleplaying favorites will be cheapened with the addition of levity, humor, and other tones than somber, gloomy reverence.
To be fair, most of the concern has not come as response to your writing or the other sources you've commented on. The big fear is over other, more public and advertised, sources. Levity and humor aren't the concern, it's when the levity and humor fail to translate that issues can occur (ohgodpunintended).
Given that example, I for one don't blame people for jumping the gun (so-to-speak) with new content that seems to fly in the face of established canon (hehehe).
Quote:Greyscale writes in a wonderfully British style, tongue firmly planted in cheek. He's describing orbital strikes against settlements accused of harboring a book. When you read something like that, you need to consider that you may not be expected to only take it literally. After all, if your aim is to see nuance, you need to accept that sometimes your faction will be the source of some of the greatest questions (and hopefully answers) known to Man in New Eden, and sometimes they're just going to do something crazy.
It reminded me of an old man sitting in a bar, after having too much to drink, in classic British accent, recounting something akin to a HHGTTG entry. In fact, wasn't there an entry in one of the books about a misprinting of the HHGTTG itself...
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Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2012.05.20 16:06:00 -
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Nice new vid: In development: EVE Online: Inferno
So now we have space action + someone (the boss) looking on a bird + some badass lines from the boss.... damn you CCP for taken me seriously
I have maybe to rethink some points |
Hamish Grayson
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
49
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:06:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Story's been edited to fix the '62nd' discrepancy. Thanks all for pointing out the problem and possible solutions Graelyn wrote:Now, the problem is that the Amarr as a faction are officially and canonically a f*cking joke. Not just irredeemably evil for the sake of evil, but actually stupid and moronic.
Now, It's not actually possible to be a sane individual and still support the Empire.
Those of us who have been doing so for the better part of a decade sure do feel silly now, don't we? God knows I favor active storyline discussion, but yes, that was a bizarre comment you made and you should feel incredibly silly.
Within six months after TEA, a dozen long term Caldari RP corps had vanished, with 60 or so of my fellow Caldari RPers who'd been around since 2004 unsubbed for good and The Fourth District alliance (Super hardcore Caldari immersionist ) dropped role play completely.
I think Graelyn just might be on to something. It's just really hard to care about the story line somedays, even when we really want to. |
Aldrith Shutaq
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
15
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Posted - 2012.05.23 21:30:00 -
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A most relevant discussion centered around some of the topics discussed here. Storyline devs should pay close attention to this one.
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Arista Shahni
Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:08:00 -
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I've been gone for way too long. Can I just pretend nothing changed? It's not as if anyone ever talks to me IC anyway. ;)
(Though if someone could redirect me to .. oh shoot. If Amarr History is this messed up, maybe its best to stay lost in space for awhile? Direct me to the OLD stuff, and then I can make a decision on the Empress' 'decrees' from deep space? >.<)
Prayers to the priests, wars to the warriors, poorer to the explorers. |
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