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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:18:00 -
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Just noticed this as well and had to comment on it… Originally by: puppetmaster the point would be, that players who dont want to pvp get the same possibilities as those who want to pvp.
The problem is that you've got this all wrong — it actually works the other way around in EVE: the players wo don't want to make use of the same possibilities don't get to PvP (well… not as often at least).
There are many things you can choose to PvP over. If you choose to forego some of these things, then that's your choice — not some restriction the game imposes on you. However, don't for a second think that you can avoid the PvP itself… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:53:00 -
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This is the game we play. I have no desire for a game with artificial protections to save themselves from being irresponsible. We all know what can happen if we venture beyond the reach of CONCORD.
I think people get upset because EVE is more realistic in that you generally need to risk something if you want the biggest reward. Sure you can just putter about and make a living without much worry but were's the fun in that?
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jauqs Nah, its the OP. He should just toggle his PvP flag off instead of whining in the forums.
On forums, you are always pvp flagged
Frequently the residents are just being nice and don't kick the puppies in the privates which makes a few people think they are in fact not flagged. They are wrong.
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Elliecsientie
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Funnelhead
Mining or mission running in a populated highsec system, is one of the most dangerous choices you can make as part of an alliance, during a war dec.
This. And any decent alliance is wardec-ed all the time. Some-sec is way more dangerous than home turf for 0.0 dweller.
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Bluepetal
Amarr Deadbone Platoon Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:58:00 -
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IMOHO, PvP is just as boring as mining. Scenario: Player a comes into system. Player b flies toward player a. Player a and player b start shooting at each other. Ship pops. Woohoo. Bo - ring. The only REALLY annoying part about PvP is the insatiable desire by certain people to pod. That really needs to stop. I don't mind being attacked. I do mind being podded. Pods should be invulnerable.
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Makhar
Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: puppetmaster The pvp in eve is harsh, non consensual.
Eve is a pvp game. You choose to play it therefor you consent to pvp.
I'm the biggest carebear of all and I understand this. Oh and life is harsh, so I guess that just makes eve a little more realistic than most MMOs.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.17 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bluepetal IMOHO, PvP is just as boring as mining. Scenario: Player a comes into system. Player b flies toward player a. Player a and player b start shooting at each other. Ship pops. Woohoo. Bo - ring. The only REALLY annoying part about PvP is the insatiable desire by certain people to pod. That really needs to stop. I don't mind being attacked. I do mind being podded. Pods should be invulnerable.
There's much more to PvP than this. In reality 1v1s almost never happen. I respect people don't like PvP, but you've gotta realize the majority of PvP takes place in gangs. And there's also more than the fighting, it's about the politics, the territory, ect.
I didn't understand podding either, until I was presented with a pod in front of me. I guarantee that if you've killed someone you're going to want the pod too, it's human nature.
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Bluepetal
Amarr Deadbone Platoon Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:03:00 -
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It is human nature to rip the head off the opposing football player, but we don't do it because it is unsportsmanlike. Podding is the same thing. Is it lame. The people that do it are lame. I promise I will not hijack this tread again.
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:26:22 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:25:30
eve pvp is like counterstirke. u buy a gun/ship u rush and pwn or fail. and u start again. buy a new gun/ship and rush out again.
lowsec/0.0 has beter stuff becouse your still in the NUB ZONE! learn to go to the next lvl. god i cant understand how u guys ever managed to play a game at all.
stop the jibber jabber fool !
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Bluepetal
Amarr Deadbone Platoon Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: sliver 0xD Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:26:22 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:25:30
eve pvp is like counterstirke.
Except you can't hop.
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:30:34
Originally by: Bluepetal
Originally by: sliver 0xD Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:26:22 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2009 13:25:30
eve pvp is like counterstirke.
Except you can't hop.
my ship is hoppin' ! --- Somebody needs a hug! |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bluepetal It is human nature to rip the head off the opposing football player, but we don't do it because it is unsportsmanlike. Podding is the same thing. Is it lame. The people that do it are lame. I promise I will not hijack this tread again.
…then again, EVE is more like rugby or aussie-rules football, so poddings/beheadings are to be expected. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
puppetmaster
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Posted - 2009.04.17 14:26:00 -
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wow, i hadnt expected so many and emotional reactions. i just wanted to buff high a bit, but i see that this isnt a very good idea, now.
there are many good calls in your posts, things that i wasnt aware of. my main mistake was to believe that theres a line that divides pvp/non pvp areas, that i will fly my ship forever without being attacked from PC, if i like it or not , and that i possess something at all. I will try to see EVE more the "Fight Club" way.
Hah, now look what youve done, its all your fault
PS: i played nearly every mmorpg out there, EXCEPT WOW, never, ever have or will, ever! PS2: i started my char in 2003 stopping by for a few weeks every couple of years, so forgive me my flawed picture of eve, cause there was a time with only 1000 players in tranq and you could go everywhere without seeing anyone in space
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.17 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: puppetmaster
Originally by: Wet Ferret So....... what are you trying to say?
"...id like to see the same quality and quantity of possibilities in high sec as in low/0.0. pvp or not pvp should not be the showstopper for a large number of players..."
sorry i wasnt clear enough
1. Create Blizzard account. 2. Join PVE server 3. ???? 4. Profit
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puppetmaster
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Posted - 2009.04.17 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bullageddon
Originally by: puppetmaster
Originally by: Wet Ferret So....... what are you trying to say?
"...id like to see the same quality and quantity of possibilities in high sec as in low/0.0. pvp or not pvp should not be the showstopper for a large number of players..."
sorry i wasnt clear enough
1. Create Blizzard account. 2. Join PVE server 3. ???? 4. Profit
I bet you don't like ninja salvagers either.
never said i dont like pvpers, i just dont care about the stuff others do. Do i dont like ninjas? as said, i dont care, except they ninja my mission. , just kidding. They speed up my looting making nice large wreck packs, and that for gurista salvage, thats a good "investment" imho.
PS: This is no spin off for a "why is ninja slavaging bad/good" thread
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Grista
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Posted - 2009.04.17 19:23:00 -
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One of the reasons CCP is going to be reviewing risk vs reward in 0.0 is that it's more profitable (isk/hour) to run level 4s in highsec than it is to rat or mine in most of 0.0 (especially conquerable, non-pirate sovereignty systems).
One suggestion to fix the 0.0 problem is to give players a tool that would improve a particular 0.0 system or constellation. There could be tools to improve asteroid spawns and others to improve the quality of rats. Exactly how these would work (be it a POS module or station upgrade) and whether or not they will work, remains to be determined.
It is a high priority issue from the CSM, and the devs have reportedly recognized it. Very likely, changes would be implemented in advance of or in conjunction with changes sovereignty claim mechanics.
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Commander Quan
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Posted - 2009.04.18 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: puppetmaster ...heck i played CS, BF and TF for ages, but that was sportsmanlike consensual pvp...
CS is a consensual pvp?! eve is like CS, when you start the game you become a potential target
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2009.04.18 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: puppetmaster
> i have no problem with risk, i just dont like pvp. introduce strong and really dangerous NPCs in highsec, fine with me. why no nps in high that are so strong, that u have to tackle them in i gang? higher risk = higher reward.
well then minimize local and pretend all players in low-sec/0.0 are NPCs. does it really matter wether you get slaughtered by players or NPCs? (fragile ego perhaps?). ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination. |
Psychotic Penguin
Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2009.04.18 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bluepetal It is human nature to rip the head off the opposing football player, but we don't do it because it is unsportsmanlike. Podding is the same thing. Is it lame. The people that do it are lame. I promise I will not hijack this tread again.
really? I thought it was because football players were aware of the consequences (getting shot in the face by the police) and would rather avoid them. ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination. |
Mawl Morningstar
Caldari SpaceCraft Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.04.18 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: puppetmaster agents, rewards, exploration, roids, rats, all better in low/0.0. new expansion with new systems are like low/0.0. why?
I bet you think "wtf hes talking about, of course lowsec/0.0 is better because there is more risk of being shot by other players".
Sorry, but thats no way a reason for gimping hisec. i dont like pvp in eve for a number of reasons, but as it stands im forced into it with all its consequences (like flying crappy ships w/o implants) if i want to see the good stuff. im a paying customer with a hang for coop playstyle and i should be treated with the same respect as shown to the darker souls in this wonderful game
I can unterstand people doing pvp, heck i played CS, BF and TF for ages, but that was sportsmanlike consensual pvp. The pvp in eve is harsh, non consensual. People getting shot just for being there, people shooting down others cause they are able to, well i think a lot of players dont like or understand such a behavior and simply try to aviod it, staying in hisec, gimped, disadvantaged.
Imho its way to easy to be a pirate. Rats in low secs are cannon fodder, only an easy source of income. in low and 0.0 there should be tons of hard rats everywhere, that give you a hard time traveling their occpuied systems. Also the consequences of being an outlaw are easily countered with an hisec alt, doing the money for the pirate. No Alts anymore, i say, for no one, SANDBOX. K 2nd accounts still there, at least u have to pay for being a wuzzi.
Back to the topic, id like to see the same quality and quantity of possibilities in high sec as in low/0.0. pvp or not pvp should not be the showstopper for a large number of players. competition in highsec will be enormous but at least theres a slight chance of getting that long sought officer mod. and pvpers can still do their pvp.
so now go ahead, you ratters and pirates, troll me.
PS: i only accept Trolls from pirates w/o hisec alt. please send screene from login screen for proof
There's really two issues being objected at in your post;
1. The first, and most obvious is that you object to the game rewarding people who take risk. I think the majority of the people who have replied to you have got it right. The risk vs reward in this game is pretty much spot on. Especially when you consider the second more subtle complaint you are making.
2. You are objecting to the game rewarding people who work together. And this is the fundamental issue isn't it. Because lets face it, the fact is successful alliances in 0.0 are made up of all types of people. People who PVP. People who don't. People who like to mine. People who like to rat. People who like to fuel POS's. etc etc. There is no doubt in my mind that there would be Alliances based in 0.0 who would be happy to have people like yourself as a member. And you could then have access to all the things you want.
But that's really it isn't it. You want a game where you don't have to group. A game where you don't have to share. A game where you don't have responsibilities. A game where you don't have obligations.
You can have everything for yourself.
Sorry, but hopefully this game is never dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. WoW exists and is as successful as it is due to how accessible it is, and how vanilla it tastes. I don't ever want EVE to be like WoW.
Ever.
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.18 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 18/04/2009 13:18:40
Originally by: puppetmaster
> but i want to seek that mod for myself, i just dont want to be dragged into pvp, thats all. of course i can grind lvl4s to purchase it, but wheres the fun?
I can guarantee you that ratting endlessly to perhaps find that one officer who may perhaps drop a mod you want is no more fun than running L4's, and frankly much less of a challenge. I can rat in the lowest truesec system with my Caracal and take down rat BSs, whereas I couldn't do that in a mission. Ratting is a grind just like L4's are, just like any other PvE activity in the game might be (with the exception of COSMOS missions which are one-time, so they offer some challenges). Where's the fun? The fun is in avoiding PvP and playing cat and mouse games with players so you can do the boring stuff like ratting on your own terms. The interaction with other players IS the fun!
My advice to you is to download and install a second EVE folder so you can play on SiSi (the test server). That will give you a good idea of what losec/nullsec is like, and what you can expect from those regions, without having to interact with other players, and without having to engage in PvP. It's a no-risk option for you to explore regions of space you've been reluctant to do so far.
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