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Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.15 19:13:00 - [1] So, you've just come back from a fairly hefty mission. You've got a pile of stuff in the dock and you want to sell it or reprocess it, whatever makes the most money. Currently, you need to check prices and reprocess materials for each item before deciding whether or not to sell them there, sell them somewhere else for greater profits, or reprocess them. This takes a lot of time. As a solution I am suggesting an optional display type, or adjustment to a current display type, for the items window. We currently have 3 options: icons, details and list. I suggest a "sales" or "disposal" window. This window would work in a similar fashion to the details option. It would be a list where the name of the item listed along with some pertinenet sales/disposal details. Headings (which should be customisable in the same way that the overview is) I would suggest at first glance are: Name \| Meta Level \| Buy orders (current station) \| Buy orders (x jumps) \| Reprocess materials \| Materials buy orders (current station) \| Materials buy orders (x jumps) Name and Meta Level are obvious. I include meta level as an option as an example of the plethora of details which could be listed. Buy orders (current station) would list the best price available, and number of sales available, were you to simply sell the item at the current station, i.e. it's the highest of the green highlighted orders in the market window. I envisage a screen which says number of items @ x ISK, for example, 525 @ 1,000.00ISK. Buy orders (x jumps) would list the best pricea available were you to make x jumps, x being a selectable number. Otherwise it would work in the same manner as the Buy orders (Current station) listing, including the number of jumps and maybe the system. E.g. "525 @ 1,000.00ISK 4 jumps Jita". Reprocess materials would list the materials you would get from reprocessing the items. This may mean that each item may take up more than one row, which is no major snag, as it could be customisable as to the number of rows any one item is allowed to take up. The top row would simply say "Total" for each item, as this will aid in price comparison, as I will explain. Materials buy orders (current station) would work summarise the buy orders available in the current station for each material the item can be reprocessed into in the same way that the "Buy orders (current station)" works. The top row of this would be the total value of the reprocessed materials if sold at the current station (hence the previous "Total" in the Reprocess Materials column. Materials buy orders (x jumps) does the same thing as the above, but lists the best total price available for those materials within x jumps. Each material would be listed in the same way as the item is listed in the "Buy orders (x jumps)" column. Additional columns could be customisable as they are in the overview. Items should be able to be sorted by any column (reading "-" if the value is void or null for the item) to allow ease of sorting of items. Now I know this seems like a lot of info for the window, and it is. It may require that your items screen stretches quite a long way across the UI. I believe that it allows the player to see much more info at a glance and will allow him to sort which of those many items he will sell immediately, which he will reprocess, and which are worth taking just a few systems away for an extra million ISK or so in far less time than can be acheived at the moment. Any thoughts?
Sep'Shoni Gallente Carpe Diem inc. Crimson Dragons	Posted - 2009.04.15 19:22:00 - [2] Having the system do the thinking for you makes it too easy and takes the PVP out of the market. Some of us ARE willing to do the work of comparing prices by hand (or setting up spreadsheets to do it), and, just as the player pirates proudly claim their CCP-given right to kill defenseless mining barges, those who are willing to do the work of comparing profits this way should be able to proudly claim our right to buy loot items for 1/4 the build cost from people who don't want to spend hours compiling the data and updating it as the market changes. When you pay the prices I ask for ammo sold in mission hubs you are buying time -- time spent running more missions instead of flying to get a supply of cheaper ammo. When you sell to my cut-rate buy order the isk you are giving up is also buying time -- time you don't have to spend tracking the market and calculating how to maximize the profit on each, single item of loot and salvage. If you think your time is worth the money you'll do the work. Otherwise you'll sell to the best buy order and spend the time running more missions. Sep'Shoni Mining ore and making stuff. Its not just a job, its an obsession.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.15 19:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Lear Hepburn on 15/04/2009 19:30:29 To an extent I agree with you Sep'Shoni. The information is there, though, for all to see. It's even accessible online at places such as eve-central.com, which you can even access ingame! The additions I am suggesting do far less than this website, and no more than a fairly competent user of Excel would manage. The real time/ISK tradeoff comes when you decide whether or not to travel to make the sale, not when you look at the prices. I'm not trying to nerf industry/trade at all, I'm merely asking that the information which is already available a few clicks away be a few less clicks away.
Sep'Shoni Gallente Carpe Diem inc. Crimson Dragons	Posted - 2009.04.15 19:53:00 - [4] PVPs say it all the time that people who don't take the steps to protect themselves from agressors deserve to have ships killed and, if in low-sec, to be podded. If people don't take the steps to access and use the information to protect their wallet on the market then they deserve to pay the people who are willing to do that. You're asking for the equivalent of me taking my retriever into low-sec and jetcan mining without fear of being robbed or killed -- because I'll be given an automatic warning when someone is contemplating doing me wrong and a bubble of invulnerability to make it easy for me to get back to station with all my ore. Sep'Shoni Mining ore and making stuff. Its not just a job, its an obsession.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.15 20:02:00 - [5] I agree entirely with your first two paragraphs. I feel that you are overstating your case with the third though. I'm not asking for any more information than is already available to me through the client. All I'm asking for is a rearrangement of already-available information. I can, through about 30 seconds of clicking, have market and reprocessing data on 15-20 items open on the browser. A further minute or so will allow me to sort the items into the groupings I want. The method I've outlined takes that already available information and sorts it. I'm not going to do anything different with the items - you still get your trade - it just takes me less time to sort out what I'm doing. The reason I suggested it as an optional screen in the items box is because lots of people will still not use it. They'll do exactly as you suggested and sell/buy from the icons view as this one is far too complex for them. People like you and I who prefer a bargain, though, might use this screen.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.16 05:34:00 - [6] An added benefit would be reduced lag times, especially in trade hubs. When checking prices currently, clients request and receive a whole raft of data for each item. Under this system the client would request only a few prices per item, reducing drastically the amount of data sent out in a hub such as Jita. I don't believe (although I stand to be corrected here) that the servers would be required to do any more work per request as they have to find all the data anyway. All you are asking of them is to send less data.
Whoopi Spamberg	Posted - 2009.05.27 15:47:00 - [7] Quote: I agree entirely with your first two paragraphs. I feel that you are overstating your case with the third though. I'm not asking for any more information than is already available to me through the client. All I'm asking for is a rearrangement of already-available information. I can, through about 30 seconds of clicking, have market and reprocessing data on 15-20 items open on the browser. A further minute or so will allow me to sort the items into the groupings I want. The method I've outlined takes that already available information and sorts it. I'm not going to do anything different with the items - you still get your trade - it just takes me less time to sort out what I'm doing. The reason I suggested it as an optional screen in the items box is because lots of people will still not use it. They'll do exactly as you suggested and sell/buy from the icons view as this one is far too complex for them. People like you and I who prefer a bargain, though, might use this screen. I think the higlighted parts are what the other person is trying to state, this time is what you save and are 'buying' however I like the idea of being able to sell several sets of items at once though
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.05.27 16:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 27/05/2009 16:12:23 I cant support the idea. Either do the work for the optimal benefit or save the time with the drawback of not optimal sells. Optimal sells without any work would demolish the trader profession who are doing exact the work of watching the prices for profit.
Order Mae	Posted - 2009.05.27 18:47:00 - [9] All I want is 3 things: 1) I would like a pop up that tells be about items with a extremely high profit margin when I log into my jita market alt. 2) It should include buttons for "Buy All Stock at stupid low price" and have a follow up pop up that makes 5 decreasingly expensive sell orders .01 isk less than the current low sell price in station. 3) I would also like a master button that will increase all my buy orders to .01 more pu that the max buy price on the good in question. Oh, and please remove all fees and taxes associated with market orders. it cutting into my bottom line. KK THNKS BUH BYE
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.05.27 19:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 27/05/2009 16:12:23 I cant support the idea. Either do the work for the optimal benefit or save the time with the drawback of not optimal sells. Optimal sells without any work would demolish the trader profession who are doing exact the work of watching the prices for profit. You still have to travel to make the optimal sells, and that's where the real time is taken. All this is is a collation of information.

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