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Roland Deschaines Minmatar Esquires Of Questionable Intention	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:19:00 - [1] Well, here are my thoughts on the Wolf. It gets a falloff bonus but that's useless because with two mid slots if soloing it has no range control, and if in a gang, you're gonna use it as a damage dealer, so you won't be shooting from falloff. DPS-wise it's mediocre, a Harpy does way better, and can have full tackle. It has nice armor resists and the four lows provide a nice tank / gank balance, but wtf is the point if it's in a gang? It's supposed to be a DPS gang ship, judging from the lack of a third midslot, and it will get killed instantly if primaried anyway, so tank is pretty much useless anyway. Four damage mods in lows? Nope, not enough CPU... Boost Minmatar Assault Frigs? Don't tell me they're faster, either, because in a gang I couldn't care less, and while soloing you may be faster but you have either no web or no point.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:21:00 - [2] No. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:23:00 - [3] Just give it eight of every slot then infinite CPU and PG. Then we are all happy. Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:23:00 - [4] There is much fail in the OP.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:25:00 - [5] 4x 280 (Tremor: 35+15 @ 616 Alpha or Quake: 4.9+15 @ 1200 alpha) 1x SB II 1x F-90 SB (2300 Scan Res) 3x Damage Mod 1x Overdrive 2x Proj Ambit Claiming every pod, shuttle, and inty this side of jita...priceless. ----------------- Friends Forever
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:26:00 - [6] And dont say ** about the jaguar, that has to be the best all-round heavy tackler in the game, if not the best AF. ----------------- Friends Forever**
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg 4x 280 (Tremor: 35+15 @ 616 Alpha or Quake: 4.9+15 @ 1200 alpha) 1x SB II 1x F-90 SB (2300 Scan Res) 3x Damage Mod 1x Overdrive 2x Proj Ambit Claiming every pod, shuttle, and inty this side of jita...priceless. Prepatch maybe, but post scram changes... [Wolf, Astroooo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:35:00 - [8] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Haniblecter Teg 4x 280 (Tremor: 35+15 @ 616 Alpha or Quake: 4.9+15 @ 1200 alpha) 1x SB II 1x F-90 SB (2300 Scan Res) 3x Damage Mod 1x Overdrive 2x Proj Ambit Claiming every pod, shuttle, and inty this side of jita...priceless. Prepatch maybe, but post scram changes... [Wolf, Astroooo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I Different beasts. ----------------- Friends Forever
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:39:00 - [9] Originally by: AstroPhobic Prepatch maybe, but post scram changes... [Wolf, Astroooo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Projectile Collision Accelerator I Projectile Burst Aerator I I endorse this fit.
Havohej Minmatar KHM Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:42:00 - [10] ffs OP learn to play before coming on here and trying to slag off my favorite ship. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Raxlar Kalimar	Posted - 2009.04.19 17:54:00 - [11] Yes the wolf would be infinetly better if it had a 4,3,4 setup but dream on. OP you really dont know what your talking about a wolf can hit 300dps and will melt any blaster fitted harpy.
Misaniovent Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.04.19 18:09:00 - [12] I believe THE fail AF would be the Retribution. 2 midslots sucks. 1 midslot is worse.
Rip Striker	Posted - 2009.04.19 18:28:00 - [13] Retribution with its 1 mid lost is the wors solo AF, followed by the Hawk (lolrockets) which has a hard time killing anything not being a pod or a shuttle.
Vegetable Goodsoup	Posted - 2009.04.19 21:06:00 - [14] Wolf and Jaguar are the best pvp frigs around,wolf is abit tricky but jaguar pwns,ishkur being abit behind but still note worthy. Rest of the AFs are pretty lack luster in pvp,atleast imo.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.19 21:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Roland Deschaines so you won't be shooting from falloff. Are you sure you're Minmatar? Seriously, 99% of the time, you'll fight in falloff. With 200mm ACs, your optimal with RF EMP is only 800m, even if you orbit at 500m, you'll easily drift to 2km - that's falloff. As for DPS, it'll only slightly lose to the Enyo and Ishkur.
Jezebel Leroux Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.04.19 21:25:00 - [16] Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Damage bonus Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Turret damage and 10% falloff per level turret slots: 4 could be worse (a lot worse)
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.19 23:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Vegetable Goodsoup Wolf and Jaguar are the best pvp frigs around,wolf is abit tricky but jaguar pwns,ishkur being abit behind but still note worthy. Rest of the AFs are pretty lack luster in pvp,atleast imo. I find i must disagree here...Ishkur puts out over 100DPS with guns alone which translates into ownig basically ANY AF when using ecm drones. -- "If itÆs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IÆd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.20 00:14:00 - [18] The Wolf should really get a tracking bonus, otherwise light drones eat it alive. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2009.04.20 00:16:00 - [19] AB + Scram = dead taranis ships that decide shooting you is a good idea.
Incantare	Posted - 2009.04.20 00:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Incantare on 20/04/2009 00:17:34 OP try out the hawk. Then come back.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.20 00:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 20/04/2009 00:17:34 OP try out the hawk. Then come back. Retribution. Hawk is the best ship in all of new eden compared to that.
Joe Martin Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.04.20 01:47:00 - [22] Edited by: Joe Martin on 20/04/2009 01:50:17 Originally by: Artemis Rose The Wolf should really get a tracking bonus, otherwise light drones eat it alive. Wolf and Jaguar need tracking bonus, as the now FOTM TD rifter can easily kill both (EDIT: Provided the jag isn't TD fitted itself). Next to tracking, the biggest problem with the Wolf is its horrendous resists. Minmatar T2 armor = fail. Trying to properly utilize a 4 low slot armor tank with 2 massive resist holes sucks.
prefectro Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.04.20 05:37:00 - [23] The Wolf is a great post speed nerf AF. With the new scrambler you can control range with just 2 mid slots and (if you got the skill) you can take out many larger ships in a 1v1 engagement. I personally like the Wolf more then the Jag now, though it does take a good amount of SP to fit it out well. Outside of a solo engagement though AFs are still too weak as it is hard to roam with other ships that all fit MWD and getting out of a bubble takes ages. The ship could use an AB bonus to give it that extra oomph.
Roland Deschaines Minmatar Esquires Of Questionable Intention	Posted - 2009.04.23 20:10:00 - [24] So everybody responded saying either "lol the wolf is awesome stfu noob", posting setups, or not responding to what I said. About controlling range, it fails against other frigs. Of course, all assault frigates are awesome against bigger targets. That's not the point I'm making. Frigate vs bigger first. You're orbiting under his guns, so you're not shooting from falloff and range tanking. Ok, you can control range, because he's naturally slow, and you can output quite a bit of DPS. But you have little tank, compared to other AFs. Frigate vs frigate. Someone really doesn't understand the bit about falloff. What I mean is that you can't use the following tactic: shoot from the furthest of your falloff so that he can't hit you (you're too far), because you don't control range against a frig with ab + scram + web when you have ab + scram only. Also, you can fit more DPS than other frigates, ofc, with four lows (although the lack of CPU for gyros is annoying), you do so losing all possibilities for tank. A Harpy can fit an extender, and get very decent recharge tank because of naturally high assault frig resists. I'm not saying the Wolf is bad. Of course it's good, it's an assault frigate. I'm just saying it's not quite the cream of the crop compared to other AFs. If anybody cares to actually answer my points, please do. Otherwise, please keep your fits to yourself. Also, to the arty fit, I lol: no speed mod except for a puny overdrive yet you're using long range guns... How the hell do you expect that to work? Finally, I didn't say anything about the Jaguar, so stfu about it already.
Malarkie	Posted - 2009.04.23 20:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Roland Deschaines So everybody responded saying either "lol the wolf is awesome stfu noob", posting setups, or not responding to what I said. About controlling range, it fails against other frigs. Of course, all assault frigates are awesome against bigger targets. That's not the point I'm making. Frigate vs bigger first. You're orbiting under his guns, so you're not shooting from falloff and range tanking. Ok, you can control range, because he's naturally slow, and you can output quite a bit of DPS. But you have little tank, compared to other AFs. Frigate vs frigate. Someone really doesn't understand the bit about falloff. What I mean is that you can't use the following tactic: shoot from the furthest of your falloff so that he can't hit you (you're too far), because you don't control range against a frig with ab + scram + web when you have ab + scram only. Also, you can fit more DPS than other frigates, ofc, with four lows (although the lack of CPU for gyros is annoying), you do so losing all possibilities for tank. A Harpy can fit an extender, and get very decent recharge tank because of naturally high assault frig resists. I'm not saying the Wolf is bad. Of course it's good, it's an assault frigate. I'm just saying it's not quite the cream of the crop compared to other AFs. If anybody cares to actually answer my points, please do. Otherwise, please keep your fits to yourself. Also, to the arty fit, I lol: no speed mod except for a puny overdrive yet you're using long range guns... How the hell do you expect that to work? Finally, I didn't say anything about the Jaguar, so stfu about it already. The Emo is strong with this one.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.04.23 20:47:00 - [26] The Wolf does have range control issues stemming from it's lack of midslots, I'll grant you that. It's not necessarily the best choice for a solo ship although some people use it as such (I prefer a Jag for solo). As a DPS addition to a gang with strong tackle, it's pretty impressive: MWD + Web + mix of tank/gyros + full rack of autocannons makes for a very nice damage-dealing frigate. Also, show me a Harpy fit than can out-damage a Wolf assuming that both are set-up to engage from the same range. I seriously doubt that even a Blarpy will out-damage an AC-fit Wolf. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Carmine Cerise	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Vegetable Goodsoup Wolf and Jaguar are the best pvp frigs around,wolf is abit tricky but jaguar pwns,ishkur being abit behind but still note worthy. Rest of the AFs are pretty lack luster in pvp,atleast imo. Erm, wrong. My Sentinel will own your AF.
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:37:00 - [28] AstroPhobic's fit pretty much covers it, it has it's issues but all ships have and should have that. Personally I prefer an AC Jag though.
Lady Darkmoon	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:52:00 - [29] If the Wolf is a useless AF, then you seriously need to demand a refund for your AF skill training and start flying something entirely different. Nuff said.
Atreus Tac Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:53:00 - [30] COUGH hawk COUGH If you think the wolf is bad, try and make a decent fit out of a hawk that will beat any other AF bar teh retri as it has 1 mid hence i can run away. Wolf is good, jag is better. yes u can say the harpy is 'better' but then u can say the ishkur is 'better' than the harpy. BOOST harpy On that note zealot is better than the ishtar, BOOST the ishtar crusader is better than the crow, BOOST the crow geddon is better than the raven, BOOST the raven. you getting how stupid you sound __________________________________________________________ [16:54:07] Kopier Tante > if you got an mwd then your completly ****ed [16:54:34] Kopier Tante > you got no defence, no speed, nothing.

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