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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:06:00 -
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Hello
I just need some clarification regarding a number of highsec scenarios please.
1. I have a bait hulk in a belt plus an Orca with 3 shield reppers in the highs and someone comes in and can flips the hulk. If the hulk drones aggro the can flipper and i use the Orca to rep the hulk. Does the hulk become a legitimate target that can be attacked by the looter without Concord intervention.
2. In the above scenerio if i also have a booster alt on grid can that be attacked if the hulk's drones aggro the can flipper?
3. Above scenerio again. If the can flipper has 5 friends in his corp and the Orca does become a legitimate target can all 5 attack the Orca without Concord intervention?
4. In the above scenerio if 12 thrashers in the same corp warp into a belt and 6 of them suicide gank the hulk but the Orca reps the hulk can the other 6 would be suicide gankers shoot the Orca without Concord intervention even when they are currently sitting in a belt next to the first 6 destroyed suicide gankers?
5. I have a PVP fit mission boat running a mission and i kill a looter. Can anyone in his corp attack my mission boat or just the looter?
6. In the scenerio above if a friend warps in from my corp with another pvp boat can we both attack the looter or is it only me?
7. In the above scenerio. If the friend is flying a logi boat and he reps me can he be attacked. If he is attacked and i can hold the looter can he return to base and jump in a pvp ship and then come back and fight along side me?
8. In the above scenerio if my pvp fit mission boat and the looter start to fight and corp members just keep bring in logi ships until there are 5 on each side is there anyway the logi pilots can return in and fight in concord sanctioned pvp apart from one of the two original boats firing on a logi ship?
Thanks for your very valuable answers.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:11:00 -
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1. I have a bait hulk in a belt plus an Orca with 3 shield reppers in the highs and someone comes in and can flips the hulk. If the hulk drones aggro the can flipper and i use the Orca to rep the hulk. Does the hulk become a legitimate target that can be attacked by the looter without Concord intervention.
Both the Hulk and the Orca will be aggro'd to the looter. But drones don't auto-aggress unless he shoots first, and he can't without being CONCORDed.
2. In the above scenerio if i also have a booster alt on grid can that be attacked if the hulk's drones aggro the can flipper?
Booster alts will not gain aggro from giving bonuses.
3. Above scenerio again. If the can flipper has 5 friends in his corp and the Orca does become a legitimate target can all 5 attack the Orca without Concord intervention?
No, but they can rep him with logi.
4. In the above scenerio if 12 thrashers in the same corp warp into a belt and 6 of them suicide gank the hulk but the Orca reps the hulk can the other 6 would be suicide gankers shoot the Orca without Concord intervention even when they are currently sitting in a belt next to the first 6 destroyed suicide gankers?
No, they can not.
5. I have a PVP fit mission boat running a mission and i kill a looter. Can anyone in his corp attack my mission boat or just the looter?
Just the looter.
6. In the scenerio above if a friend warps in from my corp with another pvp boat can we both attack the looter or is it only me?
You both can attack.
7. In the above scenerio. If the friend is flying a logi boat and he reps me can he be attacked. If he is attacked and i can hold the looter can he return to base and jump in a pvp ship and then come back and fight along side me?
Yes.
8. In the above scenerio if my pvp fit mission boat and the looter start to fight and corp members just keep bring in logi ships until there are 5 on each side is there anyway the logi pilots can return in and fight in concord sanctioned pvp apart from one of the two original boats firing on a logi ship?
No.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
621
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:21:00 -
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That was sweet work demishar i did not think many people would know that but you were in like flynn.
Thanks again.
I have one more question if you have the time.
1. If a bunch of suicide thrashers gank a hulk but fail due to the Orca repping the hulk. Can the thrasher pilots jump in new ships and come back and aggro the Orca without Concord Intervention?
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Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors
Northern Associates.
148
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:30:00 -
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Wow, do people still canflip? |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:38:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:
1. If a bunch of suicide thrashers gank a hulk but fail due to the Orca repping the hulk. Can the thrasher pilots jump in new ships and come back and aggro the Orca without Concord Intervention?
It's unlikely but theoretically possible that they could have a window of opportunity between the time when GCC expires and the time when aggro expires to attack the Orca. That window of opportunity will be exactly as long as you rep the Hulk for after they try to gank it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:12:00 -
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Some of this depends on what you mean by GÇ£can flipGÇ¥ GÇö if you just mean him stealing your stuff, or if you mean a completed flip where you accidentally steal stuff back so he gets full aggro rights. We'll call these sub-scenarios a) and b) when answering the questions where this matters.
1. Repping Orca
Scenario a) and b). Both become targets, but as mentioned above, the drones will not just aggro the can flipper GÇö you have to direct them to do so. This act of aggression on your part makes you a legal target for the flipper, and anyone who assists you becomes a legal target as well. Remote repping counts as one such GÇ£assistingGÇ¥ action, so the legality of attacking the Hulk transfers to the Orca.
2. Off-grid alt
Scenario a) and b). No. Fleet bonuses do not count as GÇ£assistingGÇ¥ so no aggression transfer occurs.
3. The flipper's friends
Scenario a). No. All you have is a GÇ£legalGÇ¥ fight between the Hulk (and Orca) and the flipper GÇö you have committed no crime against the corp, so his corp friends cannot attack either one of you.
Scenario b). Yes. By stealing back cargo that is now flagged as his, you are also stealing from the corp he belongs to (assuming it's not an NPC corp). This crime makes you a legal target for anyone in the corp, and this crime transfers to the assisting Orca.
4. Thrasher gank
Unless the Hulk makes itself a legal target for the Thrashers, there is nothing that can transfer to the Orca and make it a legal target as well. Whether or not the thrashers all belong to the same corp or not is not a factor, because we're talking about a one-on-one attack (or wellGǪ about six separate one-on-ones, technically) that are illegal to begin with. If the Hulk fights back, it will make itself a legal target to whomever it attacks, and that will be transferred to the repping OrcaGǪ but the guy who's allowed to shoot that Orca will soon be blown up by CONCORD and will have trouble undocking in anything remotely offensive until their GCC is up. The six other Thrashers will not be party to any of these aggressions and will therefore have no rights at all against anyone. Basically: don't shoot back with the Hulk, and nothing will happen.
5. Mission loot
As long as you do not GÇ£steal backGÇ¥ the loot, only the attacker can shoot you. Again, once he takes the stuff (making him a legal target for you and your corp), the stuff is his, and you cannot take it back without making yourself a legal target to him (and his corp).
6. Mission loot with friends
The looter stole stuff that was flagged as belonging to you and your corp GÇö anyone from your corp is free to attack him.
7. Mission loot with logi
As soon as you fire on him, you become a legal target for him, and anyone who remote-assists you also becomes a legal target. However, the logi friend cannot shoot the looter before the looter has made himself a legal target to the logi, either by stealing loot that belongs to that friend (e.g. you're both in the same corp, as in scenario 6) or by shooting the logi first.
8. Logistical clusterfuck
The only real aggression is between you and the looter GÇö people on either side that assist these two combatants will only become legal targets to you and the looter, because that is the only aggression that exists to be transferred. As in the example before, the logis cannot legally attack anyone before they, themselves have been attacked. For everyone to be able to shoot everyone, you have to fire on all his logistics (making you a legal target to all of them, and then transferring that legal status to all your logis) and for him to fire on all your logistics (making him a legal target to all of them, and then transferring that legal status to all of his logis).
Basically, look at assisting as a very unfair exchange: the logi gives you cap/HP, and in exchange you uncharitably give him the GÇ£shoot meGÇ¥ flag. That is the only flag that exists GÇö there is no GÇ£shoot that other guyGÇ¥ flag that can be passed along. Just because you can shoot someone doesn't mean you can give some else a GÇ£shoot this guyGÇ¥ flag to people supporting you GÇö he must give a GÇ£shoot meGÇ¥ flag to them.
1 (again) Anti-suicide repping Orca
Unless you fight back in the Hulk, no. At no point are you a legal target for the Thrashers, and surviving most certainly does not make you one, so there is no way for the Orca to become one GÇö there is no GÇ£legal targetGÇ¥ status to be transferred back to the Orca. If you do fight back (thus making yourself a legal target), then that legal flagging will transfer back to the Orca. This is no different than scenario 4 above.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
749
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:09:00 -
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Have any high sec gankers noticed they're being ganked? (Mild point of curiosity.)
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:
No, but they can rep him with logi.
ok THATS stupid
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:29:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:That was sweet work demolishar i did not think many people would know that but you were in like flynn.
Thanks again.
I have one more question if you have the time.
1. If a bunch of suicide thrashers gank a hulk but fail due to the Orca repping the hulk. Can the thrasher pilots jump in new ships and come back and aggro the Orca without Concord Intervention?
Your Hulk will still die and no they will have to wait out the 15 minute GCC.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
552
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:12:00 -
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even with you shield reps a hulk gank takes the course of a few seconds however i do not know your fit. classic hulk gank tactics was a blaster brutix or something and it would annihilate you.
you MIGHT survive a catalyst gank, but a thrasher gank i doubt it ( if more then 1 show up and they are good they shoot the same time, meaning your dead before reps) |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:17:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:even with you shield reps a hulk gank takes the course of a few seconds however i do not know your fit. classic hulk gank tactics was a blaster brutix or something and it would annihilate you.
you MIGHT survive a catalyst gank, but a thrasher gank i doubt it ( if more then 1 show up and they are good they shoot the same time, meaning your dead before reps)
Pretty true although as ive stated before i dont mine
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