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Clavin Mourningstar
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Posted - 2009.04.20 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Clavin Mourningstar on 20/04/2009 20:59:05
BUILD: 86756
Loction: J113339
We have POS's set up in W-space since before the newest deployment and since then the signals here have evaporated and nothing will respawn. Its now an empty W-space and this isn't cool as we have our whole corp and POS's in here and it would be a massive and time-consuming endevour to move everything and everyone out and find another hole and start over can you help us with this glitch which is presumably caused by the patch deployment? We want to stay here since this is where we are set up but with zero signals its totally counter-productive. And its been days now of nothing.
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Arkyns
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Posted - 2009.04.20 21:18:00 -
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Heh, I wish this could be fixed because its a complete waste of our time. The patch is supposed to fix things not make them bleed... :(
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.04.20 22:26:00 -
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Find another wormhole?
lol jk.
Although I do find it funny that the POS-in-WH idea finally fell flat on its face in a corp. Our corp is able to use any and all WH to full advantage. (Short of the POS thing) I guess flexibility is nice.
As per your complaint, how long have you been waiting?
--Isaac
Isaac's Haul*Mart - Open
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.21 02:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Clavin Mourningstar
Edited by: Clavin Mourningstar on 20/04/2009 21:15:39
Edited by: Clavin Mourningstar on 20/04/2009 20:59:05
BUILD: 86756
Loction: J113339
We have POS's set up in W-space since before the newest deployment and since then the signals here have evaporated and nothing will respawn. Its now an empty W-space and this isn't cool as we have our whole corp and POS's in here and it would be a massive and time-consuming endevour to move everything and everyone out and find another hole and start over can you help us with this glitch which is presumably caused by the patch deployment? We want to stay here since this is where we are set up but with zero signals its totally counter-productive. And its been days now of nothing.
Another thing is Time equals money and and this BUG is taking a huge toll on our corp. Nothing to do in here, all progress towards T3 for us haulted, and were spending buku bucks fueling POS's waiting for a resoultion. PLEASE HELP
How long have you been waiting? I wouldn't start complaining until you've waited at *least* two weeks. W-space stuff doesn't usually respawn in less than two weeks.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Clavin Mourningstar
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Posted - 2009.04.21 03:05:00 -
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We have been waiting since the patch. As of the day of the patch everything dissapeared cept A combat site. And upon finishing that site an hour after game was updated. Nothing but wormholes spawn.
And in response to the last guy. That isnt true because before the patch, new stuff cropped up every 24/48 hours. Especially after DT. So i dont know what WH's u been sitting in for weeks in but we in here (for weeks) know how these things operate just fine tyvm. And I can definitally tell you its a bug as CCP has already responded to our report as they have filed it under a known bug thats being reported. Once again as of the patch everything despawned and hasnt returned.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.21 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Clavin Mourningstar
We have been waiting since the patch. As of the day of the patch everything dissapeared cept A combat site. And upon finishing that site an hour after game was updated. Nothing but wormholes spawn.
And in response to the last guy. That isnt true because before the patch, new stuff cropped up every 24/48 hours. Especially after DT. So i dont know what WH's u been sitting in for weeks in but we in here (for weeks) know how these things operate just fine tyvm. And I can definitally tell you its a bug as CCP has already responded to our report as they have filed it under a known bug thats being reported. Once again as of the patch everything despawned and hasnt returned.
I guess you're not in a L5 or L6 wpsace system then. 
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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ollobrains
Caldari State Inc.
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.04.21 08:57:00 -
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ah youre suffering from the same issue as high sec amosl staying after run and the dynamic spawn-despawn in real time system is broken u might get 4 sites at dt and after that nothing will vanish or respawn utnil the next dt.
Complete stuffup on ccps part and they dont even seem to realise ive petitionted bugged sites for last week and petitions are closed without even a look
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Akura kawanaka
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Posted - 2009.04.21 10:37:00 -
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I'm in what I think is a class 5 hole and it has been fine up until yesterday for some reason - before the patch we were getting heaps of signatures - after the patch these had been reduced but the quality seemed to go up - e.g. we were getting arkanor in all grav patches. but yesterday was the first day where we had nothing but wormholes.
we have noticed that systems with pos's in them tend to have less stuff in them over all but that could just be down to coincidence or it could be a mechanic deliberately placed by CCP to stop wormhole space from becomming over populated.
what we've done is just go exploring in other unpopulated wormholes - problem solved unless you open up to a hole with other people in it.
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ollobrains
Caldari State Inc.
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.04.21 10:42:00 -
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maybe its a limit per week on the amount of sites that can be spawned. but put in with the issues with despawning-respawning i think along with the id stacking, not vanishing and remainng issues its more a multi bug.
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Ufa
Minmatar
Moon Hawks
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Posted - 2009.04.21 17:45:00 -
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same here,
Yesterdag we had 2 wormhole and a belt. Around 18:00 we mined the last roid. After dt today, the belt and wormholes signatures were gone and two new wormhole ones appeared, no further signatures.
Sigs please!
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under1
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:09:00 -
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same here, J113347 has not seen anything except wormholes since the initial spawns from the patch have gone. |
Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:58:00 -
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Did you read this?
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Ufa
Minmatar
Moon Hawks
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Did you read this?
Obviously not. I didnt spend the last serveral weeks fueling and setting up a pos, knowning this turns the system in a barren wasteland.
According to dev Grayscale settling in w-space is not wanted. At the current release this seems to be enforced by signatures not respawning in systems where people have posses. It might have been better just to have disallowed anchoring, because finding out this way is a bit disappointing.
It took us weeks to get 3 months of fuel in the pos, now we can spend the same weeks moving everything back to high-sec.
As this is working by design I must say: I dont like the design, please change it!
I want my pos. |
Celgone Rahl
Carebears with Guns
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:24:00 -
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We have been in a system for about 10 days. Prior to the patch, we had at least despawns/respawns after every DT with an average of about 12 sigs total in the system. Since the patch, each day has had less and less spawns until finally today there was nothing. Fortunately we only had a small tower anchored and were able to clear out in just a couple of hours. It would be nice to know with certainty if this is indeed an intended game mechanic or of it's just a bug. |
ollobrains
Caldari State Inc.
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:01:00 -
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Ok so systems with poses in them spawn less, ccp dont want ppl settling in wspace. So ccp doesnt want people using the sleeper content so my question is ....
Why the frak did they do this whole apoc patch in the first place ???
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Angelos
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains
Ok so systems with poses in them spawn less, ccp dont want ppl settling in wspace. So ccp doesnt want people using the sleeper content so my question is ....
Why the frak did they do this whole apoc patch in the first place ???
Nothing anywhere states, nor do mechanics suggest, that a POS is necessary to access any of this content. |
Crimsonjade
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:02:00 -
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we have noticed radar and mag and ladar sites rarely respawn more than once a week. but we moved 6 months worth of fuel in 1 day with 3 people.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 07:43:00 -
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One thing to bear in mind here is that sites do not automatically respawn, by design.
W-Space sites work like exploration sites, which means that once you complete it, it despawns and respawns in another w-system.
Therefore, in order for new sites to spawn in your system, other people have to clear sites in other w-space systems and since the respawn location is chance based, there is no telling if one will go to your system or not.
So to sum up, there may well be a new mechanic introduced that blocks respawns in w-space systems with pos'es, but I don't think there is enough evidence to show this yet, and certainly no word about such a mechanic has been given from devs.
It is possible that people are just doing less w-space sites now than they did when apo 1.0 was out and from the ones that they do, you are simply unlucky to not have them respawn in your system. |
Ufa
Minmatar
Moon Hawks
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ufa on 22/04/2009 13:41:21
New day, new signatures, two wormholes, one to highsec one to another w-space.
So, what will I do today?
- circle around my useless pos in even more useless hulks?
- start the boring task of moving everything back to high-sec?
- just log off?
For me the Apocrypha patch turned out to be a huge disappointment.
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msu320
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Posted - 2009.04.30 16:22:00 -
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well.. considering the nescessity of POS's to get anywhere near mass production of T3 subsystems/ships going, it seems that Indeed, the whole idea of T3, sleepers, and wormholes, has been a waste of features.
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.30 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: msu320
well.. considering the nescessity of POS's to get anywhere near mass production of T3 subsystems/ships going, it seems that Indeed, the whole idea of T3, sleepers, and wormholes, has been a waste of features.
This. It seems CCP have implemented semi-instanced missions rather than real systems. The beauty of wormholes for me was the opportunity to wander into the unknown, set up a POS, and live somewhere where there was real interest and fun to be had. However, now we just have 4 different boring systems:
highsec - full of carebears with no risk
lowsec - a bit of fun PvP, but mostly just blobs and empty space
0.0 - all blobs and bubbles, no fun
W-Space - mission deadspace with randomly spawning access gates.
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
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Posted - 2009.04.30 16:40:00 -
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W-Space != space where you can settle and farm daily to get millions, if not billions, of isk.
W-Space = adventure and discovery with reward.
Learn to use new content as it was intended. It's like trying to say that the titan's are too slow and they should be 10000x faster because you cannot haul your stuff quickly.
Again, use new content as it was intended.
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Grez: I shot the sheriff
Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON |
Vrenth
Gallente
Lightning Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.30 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Originally by: msu320
well.. considering the nescessity of POS's to get anywhere near mass production of T3 subsystems/ships going, it seems that Indeed, the whole idea of T3, sleepers, and wormholes, has been a waste of features.
This. It seems CCP have implemented semi-instanced missions rather than real systems. The beauty of wormholes for me was the opportunity to wander into the unknown, set up a POS, and live somewhere where there was real interest and fun to be had. However, now we just have 4 different boring systems:
highsec - full of carebears with no risk
lowsec - a bit of fun PvP, but mostly just blobs and empty space
0.0 - all blobs and bubbles, no fun
W-Space - mission deadspace with randomly spawning access gates.
The problem lies in the fact that your just not creative enough to colonize wormholes. That CCP poster didn't know what they were talking about, it's been stated several times that WH sites simply disappear and respawn elsewhere at DT (sometimes before) in another appropriate system. Setting up a POS in our WH system has not effected our spawns, being in a class 5 and running all our sites has. People are only running a fraction of the sites in a fraction of the class 5s that exist, so it's very unlikely that those sites will respawn in my system.
Fact: W-space systems ALWAYS have an exit wormhole. If someone coming into a WH leading to your system, you get another one. I have had 1 exit WH and 3 k162's in our system at the same time before. The trick is not running the sites in your own system, because you'll only get 1-2 per day, max. The trick is running the sites in the systems your WH is connected to. This is what we refer to as "raiding". You can raid into classes below or equal to you, and also empty 0.0 systems to run anomalies/rat.
Step 1: Set up POS in W-space system appropriate to your corp.
Step 2: Get some people there with combat/mining ships.
Step 3: Keep every sig scanned at all times.
Step 4: Farm. Certain sites can be farmed by not killing something or leaving a fraction of the gas/minerals in the slags.
Step 5: When resources are exhausted, scout your exits and learn your mass limits as found here http://www.eve-metrics.com/wormholes
Step 6: Scan out sites and run them, keep traffic throught he wormhole to a minimum, no excess jumping.
Step 7: Haul with maximum capacity, haulers may be small, but enough of them will destabilize.
Step 8: You can chain through multiple wormholes to find exits to low-sec/empire/0.0. We jumped a rorqual through 3 class 5's to get to our system.
Step 9: Profit. Sell your stuff. Laugh at yourself for being so ignorant.
We make on average as a corp 2-4 billion every other day or so (we don't power game EVERY day). Don't have to believe those figures, but one 6000 unit c320 cloud is worth approx. 2 billion, we find those alot with WH chains.
Know your space, use your head, and fly safe... 
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JonShannow
Caldari
Regante
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Posted - 2009.04.30 17:36:00 -
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did you have to lay it out on a plate for them 
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 30/04/2009 18:46:30
Originally by: Ufa
New day, new signatures, two wormholes, one to highsec one to another w-space.
So, what will I do today?
- circle around my useless pos in even more useless hulks?
- start the boring task of moving everything back to high-sec?
- just log off?
How about Option D: Unanchor your POS, take it through WH to next Unknown system, farm system? Or does that go against your desire for Free ISK Fountain With Minimal Effort? 
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ollobrains
Caldari State Inc.
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:16:00 -
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ocne every system in eve is spammed with a pos then there should be a problem got a few bil isk find a womrhole system with no pos and put one up for the greater good
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Karlhockey Forte
Minmatar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:57:00 -
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Abeit, now with spawns much less often in our "home" system, we still get regular class five wormholes linked into our system, and those systems are normally filled nicely. Just get the timing of hole spawns and colapses down and you can easily and safely do this, as well as making sure how much mass you are shoving through each hole. Figure logistics out, and you are golden.
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