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Lucius VoItar	Posted - 2009.04.21 22:46:00 - [1] Today I found yet another contract scam (pretty much hundreds everyday) however this one was foolishly not on a newbie account but on a much older account, I thought for once getting them banned would actually teach them a lesson... Once reported a CCP representative basically said they won't do anything... and basically anyone that doesn't look closely deserves to be scammed.... which if anything i beleive condones this type of playing. My idea to prevent it is for all contracts involving or not involving ISK to not only be stated in figure form but also written too. for example: 999,999,999 ISK should be replaced with 999,999,999 (999 Million ISK ) - Or maybe rounded to (1 Billion) so that nobody can be caught out.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:03:00 - [2] I disagree. I believe that ALL isk numbers, in market, contract, wallet AND mission screens, should be read the same way. 1,000,000.00 Add the decimal at the end and be consistent in every screen. That's my suggestion. This isn't really even to protect people from scams, so much as to make the UI read more professionally. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.22 00:57:00 - [3] I'd like to know what kind of newbie has 1bn isk, with the exception of Plex sellers. Of course CCP condones scamming, it's a form of PVP. If you are stupid enough to click a contract without reading and understanding it, then you deserve what you get. Scammers make money by giving people what they want to see, not what is actually there. P.T. Barnum approves of Eve.
NightF0x Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists	Posted - 2009.04.22 04:40:00 - [4] Hail to the CCP rep that told you to basically shove off. If you are too lazy to read the contract fully then you didn't deserve to have the money in the first place. ------------------------------------
Lantax	Posted - 2009.04.22 05:20:00 - [5] I guess, removing the .00 from the 500,000.00 would make things a lot easier, and make the scamming "job" more difficult (who cares about the isk cents, or what ever you call them)...and would probably clear the contract list to some degree. Just my opinion.
Shea Klant	Posted - 2009.04.22 05:52:00 - [6] The Dept of Wildlife in the state I'm from (Missouri), they were trying to enhance the sport of fishing to make it easier for the newbe and keep the numbers of active fishermen up so that they could continue to get revenue for wildlife programs. After years and years of study they found it was easier to breed common popular sport fish that were easier to catch (aka dumber) than to try to undertake the impossible task of comming up with a way to make the fishermen smarter. I've always liked Eve for the fact that they typically take the opposite approach leaving open the very real possibility that sometimes the fish are the ones doing the catching. Keeps it much more interesting that way.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:02:00 - [7] Remove the free-form contracts. Whatever gets negotiated with a free-form can be done by chat, eve-mail, e-mail, phone, whatever, too, (and it saves you the broker fee). Free-forms are only useful for scamming the crap out of others. Turn free-forms into mercenary contracts, with a selectable objective like kill, destroy or protect someone or something, and let the game mechanics be to judge of the agreement. If the objective is fulfilled within the time period then the money is paid, or else not. Keep it simple and people will love this.
LVs PA	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:16:00 - [8] Just as a point of fact, I never have and never will fall for these scams, the idea of this was to help others, and at the same time try to reduce some of the spam in local channels in places like Jita, doixie, motsu etc.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:16:00 - [9] Yea, Get rid of freeforms.. No one knows what use it has.. The only benefit is if I am a CEO and I set up a freeform and I die, then my corpies will know what the discussion was about ;P.. As to not scamming noobs.. Noobs dont have 999,999,999 isk! CCP needs to (as they promised us EARLY DAYS before contracts rolled) have a system for us to grade contracts. So a scammer can be graded as a scammer and the contracts receive a negative view. This COULD be done, and it would also make contracts seem much more professional. Auctions are also lame as you cant have sniper times, or change bid incriments, you also cant do proxy types of bidding. Oh well.. ----------- Never Forget
Hariya	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:04:00 - [10] Tried to get him banned? For what? Playing pvp in a pure pvp game?
Scarlette Harlette	Posted - 2009.04.22 16:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Scarlette Harlette on 22/04/2009 16:53:01 OMFG i bought some ammo that was 15% more expensive than it should have been i tried to contract it back to the scammer to get my money back but he just took the ammo and didnt give my money back i'm going to report him to the government and then theyll take it out of his tax and give the appropriate rebate to ccp and theyll give me my money back UPDATE OMFG i just told the government and CAN YUO BELEEVE THIS the policeman just laughed at me and asked what isk was OMFG ccp you should overthrow the government and get me my isk back because otherwise the police will not enforce the law in your game and people will start to quit i almost ended up quitting but i managed to pull a scam on someone else now so now i feel better and i know the police wont come round my house as ccp never do anything to stop bad people
NightF0x Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists	Posted - 2009.04.22 22:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Scarlette Harlette Edited by: Scarlette Harlette on 22/04/2009 16:53:01 OMFG i bought some ammo that was 15% more expensive than it should have been i tried to contract it back to the scammer to get my money back but he just took the ammo and didnt give my money back i'm going to report him to the government and then theyll take it out of his tax and give the appropriate rebate to ccp and theyll give me my money back UPDATE OMFG i just told the government and CAN YUO BELEEVE THIS the policeman just laughed at me and asked what isk was OMFG ccp you should overthrow the government and get me my isk back because otherwise the police will not enforce the law in your game and people will start to quit i almost ended up quitting but i managed to pull a scam on someone else now so now i feel better and i know the police wont come round my house as ccp never do anything to stop bad people should have stopped while you were ahead ------------------------------------
Lucius VoItar	Posted - 2009.04.22 23:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Hariya Tried to get him banned? For what? Playing pvp in a pure pvp game? PvP.... what PvP is there in scamming others.... courier contract scams are one thing to lure out into low sec but apart from that this has nothing to do with PvP.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.23 05:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Lucius VoItar Originally by: Hariya Tried to get him banned? For what? Playing pvp in a pure pvp game? PvP.... what PvP is there in scamming others.... courier contract scams are one thing to lure out into low sec but apart from that this has nothing to do with PvP. It's financial PvP. PvP is not always about the pew pew.
ThrashPower Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.23 08:45:00 - [15] Originally by: DeODokktor Noobs dont have 999,999,999 isk! This. I do agree something should be done about the contract scams. Poor contract layout/design shouldn't be a way to scam someone. It should involve more social engineering. Also please block all trial accounts from public channels so we don't have to listen to these macro's spam their scams (which I can't even afford... who has 1bill???) 23hours a day.
Mistress Iceka	Posted - 2009.04.23 09:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Mistress Iceka on 23/04/2009 09:58:52 Originally by: Lucius VoItar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Hariya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tried to get him banned? For what? Playing pvp in a pure pvp game? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PvP.... what PvP is there in scamming others.... courier contract scams are one thing to lure out into low sec but apart from that this has nothing to do with PvP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's financial PvP. PvP is not always about the pew pew." Said by Lear Hepburn My responce to that is simply,there two kinds of pvp...Player VS player & pu**ys vs. players......please dont mistake real pvp for the other..there Lear.........as real pvp'ers dont scam
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.04.23 11:20:00 - [17] Edited by: Whitehound on 23/04/2009 11:21:23 Originally by: Lear Hepburn It's financial PvP. PvP is not always about the pew pew. Troll! Nothing in finance works without trust. If people could not trust one another then they could not trust money and it had no value at all! It would be nothing more than a piece of paper with a number on it. Right now the only trust people have is that they are likely to get scammed. What is it they do? They avoid it. To use your analogy of PvP: Imagine there was a ship and it could kill you in one shot and without you being able to do anything about it. Everyone could buy this ship for the smallest price. What would you do about it in PvP? Comeback and try a hundred times again, to see how futile it is to fight it?? It would ruin PvP, just like scams ruin the finance business. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Neros D	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:41:00 - [18] Not to mention that every John and Jane Doe is doing these scams a zillion times a minute. So much that the point of looking at a posted contract in local is futile. 99.5% of the times its a scam. It generates a lot of spam and is generally ruining the experience for the players, not the scam bots that is macroing the spam in local with a 2 minutes interval for a total of almost 700 local posts a day pr scam they are running. If for nothing else, then solve this problem as part of the Need for Speed initiative. Maybe a solution is just removing local. Local gone, problem solved!
TuRtLe HeAd KrayZ Inc Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.26 10:46:00 - [19] Firstly Contract Scams are a legitimate playstyle. Secondly if you get scammed you are obviously a ****** and deserved it.
Vannogh	Posted - 2009.04.26 12:53:00 - [20] Why is scamming considered a legitimate playstyle? It's moronic, asinine and not fun for anyone involved. You want to run a scam? Move to South Korea and start a botnet or something. Stop ruining the game for people who actually want to play it and not have to look at a more primitive version of their junk mail inbox.
Hariya	Posted - 2009.04.26 13:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Vannogh Stop ruining the game for people. Get some actual skills and stop getting scammed. No one forces anyone to accept any of those contracts.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.04.26 13:41:00 - [22] Well the problem is that: - Having decimal places allows for Buyer-Scams - Not having decimal places allows for Seller-Scams And the real Problem is that people fall for these scams, not the system itself. However, since you can't educate players sufficiently in a game, and since I dislike these mindless scams (unlike other ingenious scams they're exceedingly lame), I think CCP should indeed display the actual amount of ISK plus the rounded sum. It would only be a small and easy to implement change. And it would not only be an anti-scammer change, but also a usability improvement. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.26 15:32:00 - [23] My god, there are so many nines in a contract and that means it's a exploit and they should get banned because obviously no amount of reading could ever save you from a scam. Right?
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.26 17:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 23/04/2009 11:21:23 Originally by: Lear Hepburn It's financial PvP. PvP is not always about the pew pew. Troll! Nothing in finance works without trust. If people could not trust one another then they could not trust money and it had no value at all! It would be nothing more than a piece of paper with a number on it. Right now the only trust people have is that they are likely to get scammed. What is it they do? They avoid it. To use your analogy of PvP: Imagine there was a ship and it could kill you in one shot and without you being able to do anything about it. Everyone could buy this ship for the smallest price. What would you do about it in PvP? Comeback and try a hundred times again, to see how futile it is to fight it?? It would ruin PvP, just like scams ruin the finance business. So I'm a troll for stating a fact? All financial matters are about trust, as you rightly say. Success in finance depends on assessing the trustworthiness of a trading partner. There are two very simple ways to do this in Eve: 1. Always read the contract properly. Old, I know, but it's old because it works. 2. Never trade with a multi-9 trader. Assume any trade ending in a string of 9s is a scam. These simple rules will help you avoid scams, and this is success against scammers. Not entirely sure what your uber-ship analogy is all about, but were such a thing to exist I'd learn to recognise and avoid it, just as I recognise and avoid scams.
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.04.26 17:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Mistress Iceka My responce to that is simply,there two kinds of pvp...Player VS player & puys vs. players......please dont mistake real pvp for the other..there Lear.........as real pvp'ers dont scam Actually, it's puies vs idiots when the pu*ies win. Players don't get* scammed.
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.04.26 17:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Lucius VoItar Today I found yet another contract scam (pretty much hundreds everyday) however this one was foolishly not on a newbie account but on a much older account, I thought for once getting them banned would actually teach them a lesson... Once reported a CCP representative basically said they won't do anything... and basically anyone that doesn't look closely deserves to be scammed.... which if anything i beleive condones this type of playing. My idea to prevent it is for all contracts involving or not involving ISK to not only be stated in figure form but also written too. for example: 999,999,999 ISK should be replaced with 999,999,999 (999 Million ISK ) - Or maybe rounded to (1 Billion) so that nobody can be caught out. How can a noob have 1 billion? I mean... if one got a billion and still can't read contracts he deserves to fall for the scams. Btw having a better system would be nice.
Tranka Verrane Public Venture Enterprises	Posted - 2009.04.26 17:41:00 - [27] Se my topic subscription block lists. Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK
swisher Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.26 19:03:00 - [28] The problem with these scams that ccp doesn't address is 1) they are beyond the realm of annoying to the point of spamming, and create a detriment to the economy. 2) a majority of them are macro-spammed in jita local, a lot of which probably contributes to illegal isk sellers. If CCP isn't going to enforce the no spam policy in the EULA (3 minute or original info rule) then they need to at least do something about these scams. I definitely want there to be repercussions for being stupid in eve; but there is a balance between that and being lazy-ass GMs and letting spammers run wild; CCP, get rid of the crap.
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.04.26 19:26:00 - [29] Originally by: swisher The problem with these scams that ccp doesn't address is 1) they are beyond the realm of annoying to the point of spamming, and create a detriment to the economy. 2) a majority of them are macro-spammed in jita local, a lot of which probably contributes to illegal isk sellers. If CCP isn't going to enforce the no spam policy in the EULA (3 minute or original info rule) then they need to at least do something about these scams. I definitely want there to be repercussions for being stupid in eve; but there is a balance between that and being lazy-ass GMs and letting spammers run wild; CCP, get rid of the crap. this.
TuRtLe HeAd KrayZ Inc Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.26 20:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Vannogh Why is scamming considered a legitimate playstyle? It's moronic, asinine and not fun for anyone involved. You want to run a scam? Move to South Korea and start a botnet or something. Stop ruining the game for people who actually want to play it and not have to look at a more primitive version of their junk mail inbox. LoL ! did someone get burnt. I will post a guide on how to avoid getting scammed. Step 1. Read the Contract. Step 2 Go to Step 1.

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