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Unit 914B The New Build	Posted - 2009.04.21 22:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Unit 914B on 21/04/2009 22:53:23 Hello, I'm looking to raise approximately 5 billion in capital to finance a new project. The Plan I've been keeping a spreadsheet on consistently profitable reactions over the past couple of months. Now, I think it is a good time to begin to capitalize on it. The project will require 4 medium towers and 1 large, as well as a relatively large sum of running isk to keep the operation running smoothly on a weekly basis. The Risk (what risk?) This operation involves little to no risk as it will take place in a sovereignty 4 cynojammed system. And finally, what everyone cares about... What do I get out of it? This is a 5% per month return IPO. There are 1000 shares currently, I'll have another 4000 ready by tomorrow for a total of 5000. Each share is worth 1 million isk. As I need 2 months to reach the optimal stability for the project, buyback options will not be available until 6/25/09. How do I know this isn't a scam The fact is you don't. I have nothing to offer but simple honesty in this matter. I have no collateral, and if I did, I would sell it to finance this project. If you are buying shares, please send the amount to The New Build's corporate account along with the number of shares you are reserving in the comment. If you are investing, send me a mail so I can organize a list of all the investors along with a dividend schedule.
Sir Elliot	Posted - 2009.04.21 22:58:00 - [2] You first post ever, asking for several Bil, and terrible interest. Any API verification, or audit?
Unit 914B The New Build	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Sir Elliot You first post ever, asking for several Bil, and terrible interest. Any API verification, or audit? Terrible interest? If I said I was offering 20% interest per week would that make you more likely to invest? No, it would just make you suspicious. So no matter what I say, there always will be paranoid skeptics. A low interest rate is honest. I'm not asking for people to lump all their eggs in one basket. Notice that there was no minimum investment amount?
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 21/04/2009 23:10:08 Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 21/04/2009 23:08:35 Originally by: Unit 914B Terrible interest? If I said I was offering 20% interest per week would that make you more likely to invest? No, it would just make you suspicious. So no matter what I say, there always will be paranoid skeptics. A low interest rate is honest. I'm not asking for people to lump all their eggs in one basket. Notice that there was no minimum investment amount? Interesting how you ignore the mention of an Audit or API verification. If it's taking place in a Sov4 system, why can't you get funding from your corp/alliance for this? Who's your main, given this is a no-post, no-history alt? While you've gone to slightly more length than some of the flawed attempts to obtain money recently, you're still woefully lacking in the credentials and detail needed to secure 5 billion isk (other than from a gullible investor who will probably be losing their money in a Jita scam otherwise).
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Unit 914B I'm looking to raise approximately 5 billion in capital to finance a new project. The Risk (what risk?) This operation involves little to no risk as it will take place in a sovereignty 4 cynojammed system. And finally, what everyone cares about... What do I get out of it? This is a 5% per month return IPO. There are 1000 shares currently, I'll have another 4000 ready by tomorrow for a total of 5000. Each share is worth 1 million isk. As I need 2 months to reach the optimal stability for the project, buyback options will not be available until 6/25/09. How do I know this isn't a scam The fact is you don't. I have nothing to offer but simple honesty in this matter. I have no collateral, and if I did, I would sell it to finance this project. Are you joking? No risk? Unknown asking for isks, do you really think there is no risk there? 0.0 riskless? lowsy 5%? (IPOs have a return based on the profits, not a fixed rate). Try to do it better next time (if there is a next one). EVE Knowledge
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:10:00 - [6] Every POS reaction IPO ever advertised in MD has failed or scammed, so be prepared for considerable scepticism. At the very least, be prepared to submit to a full API audit if you want people who have never heard of you to trust you enough to invest in you. The standard advice that people who propose this type of IPO are given is to raise the capital from people who know them, preferably the same people who would be responsible, in the worst-case scenario, for defending the towers. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:14:00 - [7] What the others said, and if you go through with this, 5% is way too low even if the business would be safe. FREE! jumpclone service - over 200 locations!
Unit 914B The New Build	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:15:00 - [8] Okay, so what do I have to do to? This is my first IPO after all...
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:17:00 - [9] Hey, Sov4 is perfectly safe. looks at the ashes of Bob's empire Or maybe not. But wait hay guyz POS IPOs running reactions are still lucrative. looks at New Moon Industries shares in his wallet And then again... 5% is a low interest rate, even for well-established people such as Ray and Shar, and offering it does not signify somehow that you are not a scammer. In all honesty someone already said what you should do. If you are part of an alliance with Sov4, get your corpmates or alliance-mates to fund it. They know you, they know where you're operating, and if you screw them over then they'll know where to find you. Plus given that they have that level of Sov, they've been around for a while and probably have plenty of isk to spare.
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:23:00 - [10] Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 21/04/2009 23:23:16 Originally by: Unit 914B Okay, so what do I have to do to? This is my first IPO after all... 1) Reveal who your main is. You're currently in a 2 person corp that's existed for about two weeks. This character's all of 3 months old. Neither of these engender trust and confidence in investors. 2) Get an audit 3) Get a director from the alliance holding the sov to confirm you're able to do this in their space. 4) Preferably do something in high sec instead. While there are plenty of investment opportunities in lowsec and 0.0 space, 99% of those looking for public funding have either failed or turned out to be scams (mostly the latter). An initial IPO from an unknown wanting funding for low sec reactions is about #3 on the 'scams we've known and loved' list for Market Discussions. 5) Understand the difference between a bond and an IPO, you seem to be confusing the two. 6) Offer a better rate. Everyone can get 5% at no effort these days via a banks/loan to reputable individuals. You're offering 5% with high risk, as opposed to my just depositing it in an account which will earn more than that. 7) get lucky. Even with all of the above, the nature of this venture appears exactly like numerous scams in the past. Moreover there are no guarantees or security and you don't have a 'name' that engenders trust. You're best off getting private funding from the alliance holding the space you intend to do the reactions in.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Unit 914B Okay, so what do I have to do to? This is my first IPO after all... Start small, prove yourself and maybe one day you can raise 5B here. Of course that'll involve knowing your main, having an audit done and provide enough returns to think about your offer as an interesting one, maybe even provide collateral to reduce risk and need less returns to make it interesting. The other way as it has been said already is to raise capital from known ppl of your corp or alliance. Here in MD we have high standards and you have to work to get them.
Claire Marqetts	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:56:00 - [12] "about #3 on the 'scams we've known and loved' list for Market Discussions." I laughed. Born to Trade Dying for Profit Here's to Living Life in the Margins
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.04.22 00:13:00 - [13] It was the 'initial IPO' part that got to me, actually. To the OP: read through the sticky threads at the top of the forum and come back when you've had a look everything there that's relevant; in particular, the IPO templates.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.04.22 00:30:00 - [14] Don't bother with an API audit or background check. It will never get around the fact you want to run POS's in low/0.0 sec space. Never worked so far, never invest in future. No one will invest, too risky.
PublicRelations Kwint Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2009.04.22 01:45:00 - [15] No IPO relying principally on reacting/moon mining has ended well in the last 3 years. I say that as someone that helped close down one of those failures. It's not that it can't be done, once upon a time Kwint Industries made a very nice profit running certain reactors but their is substantial risk. In fact, you're guaranteed to eventually loose some towers and the way these IPO's work, that usually comes sooner rather than later and it's usually enough of a set back to end the IPO. Throw in a high scam rate and an inability to secure assets and reacting/moon mining IPO's are almost universally shunned by the veteran investors, especially those, such as myself, that have actually dabbled in it. Then we have the issue of you using an alt to post this, not responding to requests for an audit, not using a standard template, posting a poor business plan and failing to provide any evidence what so ever of your ability to execute the plan, vague as it is. As though both of the above aren't reason enough to soundly reject this offering, 5% interest certainly is. Your rate is not inline with your reputation nor your risk.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.04.22 02:58:00 - [16] I no way endorse this IPO BUT - To say a Low Sec Moon Mining opp or Low Sec IPO has never worked is false unless you consider the Original PCT IPO a Failure. I was one of the initial IPO's ingame (Probably first 20 launched?), it was 100% based on 6 Low Sec Large Towers running reactions. Over time it grew to othter things, but even when I was buildign Components, I was building them in POS's that were still in low sec for a very long time. Low Sec to me means nothing when looking at an IPO to invest in, 0.0 almost always scares me but does not make me go away. ----- To my issue's with opp, granted I didnt even read entire thread, just a quick glance - A) This is a bond not an IPO based on you paying 5 percent no matter what B) Even Sov 4 has its risk, by you saying none makes me worry more about the fact you think your invincible. C) Who Are You?
ChiTrade	Posted - 2009.04.22 06:46:00 - [17] I just want to say I personally turned 5b into 25b in the past 6 months by running 10x large pos reactions. Its not that the 'idea' isnt profitable. The problem is that there is no way to 'lock down' the assets with any real security. i.e. a BPO can be locked down by eBank, and can never be 'scammed'. A tower could theoretically be locked down by a CEO (who doesnt give unanchor rights) - but the towers are not the biggest source of asset; its the minerals that go into the towers that make up the bulk of the asset. This can never be 'locked down', because by defenition the IPO runner needs to be able to take/give minerals into the pos's
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Unit 914B Okay, so what do I have to do to? This is my first IPO after all... Start with an ipo and the disclosure of your main!
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:34:00 - [19] Indeed, if you want to go anywhere with your first IPO you have to have at least (and preferably all) of the following: Verifiable history of presence in EVE. Evidence of main characters. Proof of ability to do the task. API Key validation. I got away with the first 3 of them, the 4th I'll probably never do, but I understand why people want it.

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