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Janet Hope Circus Of Flying Lion 1	Posted - 2012.05.06 08:09:00 - [1] - Quote I have been following this Hulkkageddon with interest. Not as participant in any ways.. I would like to propose small thing to add ingame becouse these criminalistic suicide ganks going on... How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. And maybe beef that up with harsher punishments for suiside ganks as well. After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? If theres terrorism goin rampant, they should atleast file warnings since Concord spys every ship anyways(How else would they know when to put down donuts and coffee to show up afterwards). Let me know what you think, really constructive feed back. I know what suisice terrorist are going to say ;) And yes i do call it terrorism, since that what it is. Do something similar in realife and yoou find yourself in jail in no time.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 5	Posted - 2012.05.06 11:45:00 - [2] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? Concord does not exist to protect you. It's there to punish you, if you don't stick to the rules. Janet Hope wrote: And yes i do call it terrorism, since that what it is. Do something similar in realife and yoou find yourself in jail in no time. That's what games are for really, aren't they?
Gloomy Gus GoonWaffe 303	Posted - 2012.05.06 16:23:00 - [3] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system This is a reasonable idea. As for the rest of your post, if you really want to be disagreed with so badly, I guess I could mention the harsher penalties thing is kinda silly. Do it a few times in a row and you become KoS to Concord. Threatening suicide (that's how you spell that now you know!) bombers is by its very nature difficult to do. The warnings, however, that's reasonable. "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini
Joran Dravius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2012.05.07 04:53:00 - [4] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. No. If you want something like that make an intel channel like the rest of us. Gloomy Gus wrote: This is a reasonable idea. It's not a reasonable idea. It's a request for less player driver content in a sandbox game over a need that is already being filled by players using existing tools. It's a waste of developer time so that the carebears can once again have mommy CCP do everything for them instead of learning to play the game.
Nara Arramor Krynntovations 0	Posted - 2012.05.07 05:11:00 - [5] - Quote you can do research on the system you wish to mine and see the pvp activity...would be quite effective as well as directional scanning and knowing the locals you mine with....otherwise you want afk mining, which, if i am correct, is the best target for the hulkageddon attendees...doing your homework doesn't guarantee safety, but it does mean you did what you could....no easy button
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 237	Posted - 2012.05.07 05:12:00 - [6] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? No.
Blatant Forum Alt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 156	Posted - 2012.05.07 16:46:00 - [7] - Quote Confirming that I am posting in Hulkageddon butthurt thread #39478
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3685	Posted - 2012.05.07 17:12:00 - [8] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? Not all of them even pretend to. PS EVE isn't your whitebread commuter suburb. Hi-sec is maybe like LA during a summer heatwave after a particularly egregious incident of racial violence. The only difference is that the EVE police won't taser you for being a Brutor. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Tarsus Zateki GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 528	Posted - 2012.05.10 22:08:00 - [9] - Quote Issuing warnings would be pointless anyhow as the people being ganked aren't at their keyboards or tabbed into the game to see them.
Mythrandier Dracos Dozen Eve Engineering 2	Posted - 2012.05.11 09:44:00 - [10] - Quote No. You can already see how many ships have been lost in a system via the in game map. There are chat channels in game that can be set up and used as intel channels. EvE does not hold your hand in the way you seem to want it to. The tools are there to get the information you seek, have been for years. As to harsher punishment, no. Even if they did increase it, it wouldnGÇÖt make any difference. Hulks would still blow up in high 1 month out of every year.

Easthir Ravin Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 5	Posted - 2012.05.15 11:53:00 - [11] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: I have been following this Hulkkageddon with interest. Not as participant in any ways.. I would like to propose small thing to add ingame becouse these criminalistic suicide ganks going on... How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. . It's called DotLan, I recommend doing a lit research before un-docking your ship. I mean really there are already tools in place, in game and out that counter ganking. Adding one more can not change the fact that you may not have a tight hold on the concept of EVE and the nature of "sandbox". Do you even realize the amount of work that goes into a gank Op; getting a team together, scouting a ripe mining system, getting all the ships prepared, making sure everyone has a drink (if old enough), moving your possibly intoxicated gang to the correct area that your scout has found (because you forgot how to link systems in chat), wait on the slow guy, land on gate and inevitably have someone lemming the jump, jump in after said lemming, get to the correct belt with enough fire power to gank said miner, post GF's in local and look for enough ships on the regional market to do it all again. All within a two hour time frame because "GRANDORK STARKILLER" has to pick up his four year old from ballet practice. All you have to do is hit un-dock warp to belt hit F1 and watch local. You Sir are selfish! If anything it is we, who are truly embracing everything about EVE that CCP had intended, when it was created. vr East IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!"
Asheru Fweddit 1	Posted - 2012.05.16 06:50:00 - [12] - Quote But it's too hard to make your macro monitor dotlan.
ThisIsntMyMain Republic University Minmatar Republic 99	Posted - 2012.05.17 05:31:00 - [13] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. it's called a killboard Hi-Sec is "safe" in the same way that walking through Central Park at 2 am is "safe". After all - you could live in Somalia instead. I'm sure downtown Mogadishu is perfectly safe if you are a member of the right clan.
He dares Mimidae Risk Solutions 5	Posted - 2012.05.17 14:25:00 - [14] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. I think you will find they are freedom fighter fighting the evil ORE overlords
Mallak Azaria xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem 80	Posted - 2012.05.19 12:44:00 - [15] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? Pffft. Hahaha. Wait, you're being serious? HAHAHA!
Zetura Omo The Association High Tech Hill Billie 3	Posted - 2012.05.22 14:24:00 - [16] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: I have been following this Hulkkageddon with interest. Not as participant in any ways.. I would like to propose small thing to add ingame becouse these criminalistic suicide ganks going on... How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. And maybe beef that up with harsher punishments for suiside ganks as well. After all dosent every goverment and police try to protect peacefull citizens? If theres terrorism goin rampant, they should atleast file warnings since Concord spys every ship anyways(How else would they know when to put down donuts and coffee to show up afterwards). Let me know what you think, really constructive feed back. I know what suisice terrorist are going to say ;) And yes i do call it terrorism, since that what it is. Do something similar in realife and yoou find yourself in jail in no time. The proposed GÇ£CrimewatchGÇ¥ system should help with suicide ganking letting citizens becoming vigilante gunslingers! Hopefully, the quicker reflexes of the GÇ£VGsGÇ¥ verses ConcordGÇÖs, will ruin the gankers attempt at harming innocent Miners. Ganking will become non-profitable as GÇ£VGsGÇ¥ would be GÇ£Pod KillingGÇ¥. But right now, Concord could be sitting in a Belt and when obvious suicide gankers (negative Sec Status, combat ship) come in, and they actually allow the ganker to begin his attack before responding. This is akin to a police officer seeing a known criminal, for example say in a park, and GÇ£not stoppingGÇ¥ them GÇ£for questioningGÇ¥ before the criminal commits an actual offense against an innocent citizen in the park. Concord could easily GÇ£Warp ScrambleGÇ¥ the GÇ£suspectGÇ¥ upon arriving at the Belt (detaining). This would help in decreasing the response time by Concord. DoesnGÇÖt stop a direct Warp-to-Target attack, but would help reduce the damage inflicted by appropriate response times by Concord. Appropriate actions by Concord would not ruin EVE! HighSec would still have lawbreakers, but it would give more meaning to the term GÇ£High SecurityGÇ¥! High Security should mean GÇ£High SecurityGÇ¥ not GÇ£Medium SecurityGÇ¥ or GÇ£Medium to High SecurityGÇ¥ GÇ£Security Today or No Security TomorrowGÇ¥ or GÇ£what ever arbitrary meaning we want it to meanGÇ¥!
Revolution Rising Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 329	Posted - 2012.05.25 11:03:00 - [17] - Quote The only thing I would be interested here is where a miner gets concord going something like... "Warning you're about to be hit by..." pop "...oh nevermind." Then I could laugh. CSM7 Skype Leak
Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.05.25 22:31:00 - [18] - Quote Yeah, remember, EVE is all about risk vs. reward .... what a crock of bullsh**. Miners: Risk: ~150 - 200MM ships (easily days of mining or pve to buy) that cannot be protected, period (forget d-scan, local, tanking, aligning, logi's, cloaked defenders, or whatever other ridiculousness the gankers love to spout as possible countermeasures - no Hulk will withstand a half-assed alpha strike by the next gang of bored pvp-tards). Gankers: Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining. Guaranteed success (as gankers have) is NOT good game design, period.
Revolution Rising Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.05.26 14:54:00 - [19] - Quote Takara Mora wrote: Yeah, remember, EVE is all about risk vs. reward .... what a crock of bullsh**. Miners: Risk: ~150 - 200MM ships (easily days of mining or pve to buy) that cannot be protected, period (forget d-scan, local, tanking, aligning, logi's, cloaked defenders, or whatever other ridiculousness the gankers love to spout as possible countermeasures - no Hulk will withstand a half-assed alpha strike by the next gang of bored pvp-tards). Gankers: Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining. Guaranteed success (as gankers have) is NOT good game design, period. I don't advocate getting rid of ganking completely (else what would bored pvp-tards do?) ... but making them KOS to everyone for 24 hours, and announcing their presence in system across global comms channels would seem to fit better with overal game balance and fluff .... much better than Concord actually protecting them again after 15 mins. I would actually totally agree with this statement. CSM7 Skype Leak
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 394	Posted - 2012.05.26 15:35:00 - [20] - Quote Takara Mora wrote: Gankers: Risk: Zero ... they PLAN with 100% certainty to lose their (practically free by comparison) ships --> that's NOT risk in any way shape or form --> they are guaranteed a kill and salvage worth many times more than their ships .... it's more of a guaranteed income than mining. itt: 100% risk of loss is not any risk of loss. Also its completely impossible to fit a mining ship with increased EHP, presumably CONCORD prevents you undocking if you've equipped for anything but maximum ISK/hr. This is why no suicide gank in the history of eve has ever failed, making it a 'guaranteed kill and salvage'. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.

Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.05.27 15:14:00 - [21] - Quote I actually think CCP's encouragement and love of Hisec Ganking, is nothing but a poor excuse for them to come up with ways to encourage ACTUAL PvP mechanics that people would actually enjoy ... Ganking is NOT PvP ... it's more like P vs. nothing. It's the EVE equivalent of burning ants with a magnifying glass ....
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2012.05.29 06:51:00 - [22] - Quote No Hope. You want fries with that?
Ayla Hanaya Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 12	Posted - 2012.06.03 15:38:00 - [23] - Quote Yeah, there is pretty much no point to CONCORD warning miners of impending gankers, because during Burn Jita, CCP actually popped up a login banner WARNING people NOT TO GO TO JITA, yet a lot of dumb people still went, and died, and then ** up local with tears after they got popped. Any effort that CCP wastes warning you sheep of impending doom would be better spent, I don't know, actually improving the game? If you can't be arsed to keep an eye on local, and an eye on ** around you, you don't deserve to fly a ship, or to keep your pod. Highsec is not safe, the undock button is your PVP flag if you didn't know that. Don't want it? Don't play. Themepark handholdy MMO is that way ----> CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2012.06.03 15:49:00 - [24] - Quote Ayla Hanaya wrote: Yeah, there is pretty much no point to CONCORD warning miners of impending gankers, because during Burn Jita, CCP actually popped up a login banner WARNING people NOT TO GO TO JITA, yet a lot of dumb people still went, and died, and then ** up local with tears after they got popped. Any effort that CCP wastes warning you sheep of impending doom would be better spent, I don't know, actually improving the game? If you can't be arsed to keep an eye on local, and an eye on ** around you, you don't deserve to fly a ship, or to keep your pod. Highsec is not safe, the undock button is your PVP flag if you didn't know that. Don't want it? Don't play. Themepark handholdy MMO is that way ----> Yeah, you're right ... it wouldn't help those who don't pay attention to such things ... I'm thinking it would be fun tho for those who DO watch D-Scan and try to tank their Hulks or defend their mining ops (but let's be honest, there really isn't any way to protect Hulks from suicide gank alpha strikes .... D-Scan aint gonna help you in Hisec ... and unless the gankers are stupid, they won't tip you off by advertising their presence. I think it would add a bit of fun ... not really change the balance of anything. Currently you can't defend against Hisec Hulk gankers ... so it doesn't even really add conflict or PvP to the game ... it's P vs. Nothing ... you might as well dock up b/c there's no way to engage them ... think it would add some fun to the game if there were at least some way to force some sort of engagement. This is currently one area where Hisec is more dangerous than Nullsec .... in Null, you know exactly whether there are any Reds in system. In Hisec, you can't tell where the gankers are.
SerratedX Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate 20	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:15:00 - [25] - Quote Takara Mora wrote: This is currently one area where Hisec is more dangerous than Nullsec .... in Null, you know exactly whether there are any Reds in system. In Hisec, you can't tell where the gankers are. Maybe this is CCP telling you to let go of the training wheels and join a 0.0 alliance so you can mine in peace?
Velicitia Open Designs 983	Posted - 2012.06.06 12:31:00 - [26] - Quote Janet Hope wrote: How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. F10 --> change system colours --> Ships destroyed in the last hour. (bigger/redder is worse). It's not perfect, nor is it SPECIFIC to hulks ... but seeing a lot of ships blown away in a hisec system (i.e. more than you'd expect for an engagement in a war or something), and it's probably a system where ganking is occurring. Also, we already have watchlists ... and can create intel channels ... but I suppose that involves working with other people (which we obviously cannot have in a MMO).
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1644	Posted - 2012.06.06 14:33:00 - [27] - Quote At first I thought this was a terrible idea. Then I realized it would be great. Seeing all the warnings as hulks got popped all over the region, the local miners sitting on edge wondering if they're next. I'd warp a catalyst belt-to-belt just to watch all the hulks panic and dock up. I'm really tired of telling the miners how they can prevent ganks. It's amazing how mind-numbingly dense they can be. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.06.08 14:12:00 - [28] - Quote SerratedX wrote: Takara Mora wrote: This is currently one area where Hisec is more dangerous than Nullsec .... in Null, you know exactly whether there are any Reds in system. In Hisec, you can't tell where the gankers are. Maybe this is CCP telling you to let go of the training wheels and join a 0.0 alliance so you can mine in peace? It's got nothing to do with "peace" .... and everything to do with most ppl simply not wanting to become a faceless blobber with zero control of your own destiny.
Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.06.08 14:13:00 - [29] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Janet Hope wrote: How about concord starts issue region/constallation wide warnings when expensive mining ships gets blown up? Something along: Concord warning: Hulk was just detected blown up by terrorists in xxxx system. F10 --> change system colours --> Ships destroyed in the last hour. (bigger/redder is worse). It's not perfect, nor is it SPECIFIC to hulks ... but seeing a lot of ships blown away in a hisec system (i.e. more than you'd expect for an engagement in a war or something), and it's probably a system where ganking is occurring. Also, we already have watchlists ... and can create intel channels ... but I suppose that involves working with other people (which we obviously cannot have in a MMO). Again .... good gankers are NOT going to tip you off like this.
pelchan Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.06.10 02:01:00 - [30] - Quote Interesting.



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