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Johnathan Walker Caldari Thunderbolts	Posted - 2009.04.23 00:32:00 - [1] Good morning/afternoon/evening friends and enemies, and welcome to JW's Name and Shame of Pay Now Inc. Please keep your seatbacks in the upright and locked position and stow all baggage in the overhead compartments. Emergency exits are located via your pod. -------------------- Date: Sometime in March Location: Some system (I have a crappy memory) So this corp decides to team up with friends (who shall not be named out of respect) and war is declared. After 24 hours of Concord red tape, fighting legally commences between Pay Now Inc and Thunderbolts. Yes, we were easy kills considering that we lost 75% of our pilots dropping from 70 members down to current (and active) numbers. We were also easy kills considering it's an indy corp and most of us had never seen combat to save our lives. Weeks go by and there's no let up from Pay Now, though their friends (again not named) were very kind, a pleasure to speak with, and decided to pursue other ventures. Kudos to them. However, Pay Now's outrageous demand of 250mil ISK or dissolution of the corp persisted. It wasn't too long that friends were contacted to deal with Pay Now Inc.... except for the corp decided to DOCK when evenly gunned via targets that could actually defend themselves. Wait, let's back track here... "Run by pilots who like to make things go BOOOM and make iskies." Okay, so you'd expect that they'd undock right?? Nope!!! Even when a single lone thunderbolt pilot undocked and engaged Era Crusader, CEO of Pay Now Inc, the docking games continued. Last evidence shows Era running scared for the safety of a docking collar. For shame... if only someone had a point on him. It's funny then I get an evemail talking about "negotiation" when our desire is to end the war.... there's nothing to negotiate with this shameful corporation... just a bunch of freebooters looking for easy kills and run when their targets shoot back. Sorry Era... no wait, no I'm not.
Tildes own Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.04.23 00:39:00 - [2] So you got decced, lost a large proportion of your members, refused a fair ransom demand, then called in your friends and since this corp presumably didn't wish to engage in a fight they weren't certain to win which isn't really that unreasonable, you are "shaming" them? How is any of this shameful to them? Seriously?
Johnathan Walker Caldari Thunderbolts	Posted - 2009.04.23 00:41:00 - [3] Quote: refused a fair ransom demand, When your wallet is zero, redefine "fair". As for the fights: 1v1 CEO vs my director... that's a fair fight. No one else was around from Thunderbolts in the system :P As for the friends declaring war... six of them versus eight Pay Now. ;) Just find it ironic that targets who SHOOT BACK are suddenly taboo.
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.23 02:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Tildes own So you got decced, lost a large proportion of your members, refused a fair ransom demand, then called in your friends and since this corp presumably didn't wish to engage in a fight they weren't certain to win which isn't really that unreasonable, you are "shaming" them? How is any of this shameful to them? Seriously? That was a pretty terrible post. Needs moar tildes imo~~~~~~~ Also: OP: You'd be amazed at how many corps exist like that. EVE is full of people who like fighting only when it's unfair in their favour. Grats to you for not dropping corp like most indy guys do though.
Tildes own Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.04.23 09:43:00 - [5] ~
Anderson Williams Gallente The Ichibutsu Wrath.	Posted - 2009.04.23 09:59:00 - [6] ~ The whole.. "fair"... "reasonable"... "equal"... conversation is oxymoron/alien/foreign to the game we call Eve. Kleenex's are 2 for a dollar at walmart... now thats a fairly reasonable and equally fulfilling deal.
Ranik Sandaris Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.23 10:13:00 - [7] i endorse this thread. More name and shames.
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.23 12:15:00 - [8] OH HAI. IM IN A BIG BAD PVP CORP WHO LOVES BLOWING THINGS UP, UNLESS THEY SHOOT BACK, THEN I LIKE TO DOCK IN CASE I GET HURT.
Ranik Sandaris Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.23 12:16:00 - [9] Edited by: Ranik Sandaris on 23/04/2009 12:16:32 jaina do you also like muffins?
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.04.23 12:17:00 - [10] oh the shame. If i'm outnumbered, I fall asleep. Like one of them feinting goats.

Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.23 14:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Ranik Sandaris Edited by: Ranik Sandaris on 23/04/2009 12:16:32 jaina do you also like muffins? As it happens, yes. :)
Varesk Gallente Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.04.23 14:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Anderson Williams ~ Kleenex's are 2 for a dollar at walmart... now thats a fairly reasonable and equally fulfilling deal. are you sure about that? is that a roll back price or are we talking normal price?
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.23 16:13:00 - [13] How the heck a 70 man corp doesn't have 250 mil? Sure, you might not have it in the corp wallet if you're a bunch of tax free hippies, but out of 70 people, you couldn't gather that ISK? Likewise, a few days ago, one of our ally corps (indies) was decced by a small PvP corp that does pretty much the same you described, so we decced them and after a day of fighting, there's not much action to be found, but I didn't feel the need to post a thread about it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.23 16:43:00 - [14] To the OP: This is normal in Eve. You are nothing special. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.04.23 17:14:00 - [15] Edited by: K1RTH G3RS3N on 23/04/2009 17:14:16 every single bit of this is just..... edit your post to - Good morning/afternoon/evening enemies Please resize sig to a maximum of 4000 x 1200 and a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.04.23 17:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Johnathan Walker Quote: refused a fair ransom demand, When your wallet is zero, redefine "fair". just because your wallet is zero doesnt change the fact its a fair offer... buy a gtc if you care so much - or maybe you dont got your pocket money yet. if your corp wasnt already ***d into mush (and as i dont like sloppy seconds) i would wardec you just for your attitude. i can just imagine what it would of been like droooooools*
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2009.04.23 18:46:00 - [17] If you find yourself in a "fair" fight then someone screwed up.
Nyx Cyth	Posted - 2009.04.23 20:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Dian'h Might If you find yourself in a "fair" fight then someone screwed up. This There is no money in "fair fights" only pvp fun and as your a industrial corp of limited members and no pvper perhaps it would not be the best idea to draw attention to yourself on the C&P boards?
Requiescat Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.04.23 20:49:00 - [19] there's no money in fair fights but there sure is good fraps to be had that's what eve is about, isn't it? -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.23 21:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Tildes own So you got decced, lost a large proportion of your members, refused a fair ransom demand, then called in your friends and since this corp presumably didn't wish to engage in a fight they weren't certain to win which isn't really that unreasonable, you are "shaming" them? How is any of this shameful to them? Seriously? El Oh El, that is all.

Johnathan Walker Caldari Thunderbolts	Posted - 2009.04.24 12:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav How the heck a 70 man corp doesn't have 250 mil? Sure, you might not have it in the corp wallet if you're a bunch of tax free hippies, but out of 70 people, you couldn't gather that ISK? Sorry that you've never dealt with A) inactive characters, B) reconstruction efforts, C) loss of pilots, D) multiple alternates. I didn't feel a need to post a thread about it either until it was very clear that this war declaration isn't so much about "making things go boom" as it is a reputation builder for PAYN, and so I am out with the wrecking ball. <3 my supporters
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.04.24 12:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Anderson Williams ~ The whole.. "fair"... "reasonable"... "equal"... conversation is oxymoron/alien/foreign to the game we call Eve. Kleenex's are 2 for a dollar at walmart... now thats a fairly reasonable and equally fulfilling deal. - This space for rent
Kage Toshimado Gallente The Logistical Nightmare	Posted - 2009.04.24 13:18:00 - [23] This war still going on? I remeber repping you guys in Renyn about what, 5 or 6 weeks ago? It was a totally one sided affair in terms of what Pay Now brought versus what the Thunderbolts had available to them. Like some in here have stated, this kind of thing happens all the time, even more so the larger and more carebearish your corporation appears to be. Your only true options are learn to fight, get some friends, or hire mercs. (if you don't want to pay the ransom, which you obviously don't)
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.24 13:23:00 - [24] OP suffers major losses and corp largely dissolves. OP then claims pirate corp is terrible because he didn't feel like doing a "1v1". What the OP fails to realize is that the pirate may have felt the odds were not favorable enough for him to engage. There's nothing wrong with docking up. The way I see it, he spanked you and then denied you of any retribution. You must be appealing to his e-honour. Clearly a pirate corp declaring war on a stale turd of an indy corp is in it for the fair fights and honour.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.24 14:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Johnathan Walker Sorry that you've never dealt with A) inactive characters, B) reconstruction efforts, C) loss of pilots, D) multiple alternates. Now you're sounding like a goddamn country. Stop taking this crap so seriously. Originally by: Johnathan Walker I didn't feel a need to post a thread about it either until it was very clear that this war declaration isn't so much about "making things go boom" as it is a reputation builder for PAYN, and so I am out with the wrecking ball. You're improving their reputation, if anything.
Jhoria Englside Another Stupid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Clearly a pirate corp declaring war on a stale turd of an indy corp is in it for the fair fights and honour. i kno rite?
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:49:00 - [27] 250mil is peanuts tbh; it's, what, three days of l4s? I'm surprised nobody's considered wardeccing you just for posting this thread for ****s and giggles


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