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Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:01:00 -
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Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
As a famous lawyer in New Eden, I have heard many cases of Miners taking a risk by not fitting a tank for a higher yield or even going afk while they mine. This is a risk YOU take by doing this. CCP shouldnt have to change a game to fit your afk or high risk behavior. CCP also has tools in the game that can help you avoid being ganked. Please take the time to learn about fittings, how to fly your ship and this tool called a Directional Scanner.
Before I leave, My other character is a miner. I have been mining during Hulkageddon in a .5 system that is very busy and has had a ton of Hulk ganks. My ship has survived due to fitting a tank, paying attention and using my DSCAN. Yeah, My yield isnt what it was but my ship is still in one piece and I have escaped every gank attempt.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:24:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
OR fit it for yield not tank, do your research before you go to a system, keep your eyes open and dont mine during hulkageddon.
Ive never been ganked in a hulk and Ive never tanked it for anything more than belt rats. Hell Ive never even been attacked cause I tend to mine where people ARENT
However the ship value to ship value comparison in a destroyer killing a Hulk is akin to a BC killing a Carrier. And doing it easily and every single time
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Chump Clone
State War Academy
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:59:00 -
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Or you could simply mine in a Rokh... |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium
Frentix Alliance
75
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:01:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
As a famous lawyer in New Eden, I have heard many cases of Miners taking a risk by not fitting a tank for a higher yield or even going afk while they mine. This is a risk YOU take by doing this. CCP shouldnt have to change a game to fit your afk or high risk behavior. CCP also has tools in the game that can help you avoid being ganked. Please take the time to learn about fittings, how to fly your ship and this tool called a Directional Scanner.
Before I leave, My other character is a miner. I have been mining during Hulkageddon in a .5 system that is very busy and has had a ton of Hulk ganks. My ship has survived due to fitting a tank, paying attention and using my DSCAN. Yeah, My yield isnt what it was but my ship is still in one piece and I have escaped every gank attempt.
shut the **** up. Your a damn tool like every idiot who posts here
No on cares who you are or what you do
**** off
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
60
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:07:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
OR fit it for yield not tank, do your research before you go to a system, keep your eyes open and dont mine during hulkageddon. Ive never been ganked in a hulk and Ive never tanked it for anything more than belt rats. Hell Ive never even been attacked cause I tend to mine where people ARENT However the ship value to ship value comparison in a destroyer killing a Hulk is akin to a BC killing a Carrier. And doing it easily and every single time
Carriers are not allowed in highsec under the constant guard of CONCORD. I think you forgot to mention that.
If Hulks get banned from highsec, then by all means, give them the tank of Abbadons. It won't matter, but the wall of tears in local will be even longer. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
60
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:08:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
As a famous lawyer in New Eden, I have heard many cases of Miners taking a risk by not fitting a tank for a higher yield or even going afk while they mine. This is a risk YOU take by doing this. CCP shouldnt have to change a game to fit your afk or high risk behavior. CCP also has tools in the game that can help you avoid being ganked. Please take the time to learn about fittings, how to fly your ship and this tool called a Directional Scanner.
Before I leave, My other character is a miner. I have been mining during Hulkageddon in a .5 system that is very busy and has had a ton of Hulk ganks. My ship has survived due to fitting a tank, paying attention and using my DSCAN. Yeah, My yield isnt what it was but my ship is still in one piece and I have escaped every gank attempt. shut the **** up. Your a damn tool like every idiot who posts here No on cares who you are or what you do **** off
You sound mad. Are you mad?
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
625
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:09:00 -
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To the OP
It only works if you have people ganking for profit or they are not organised.
If the gankers are doing it for lols then you will always die. You can fit your hulk anyway you want but if you bring enough tornados then you have a dead hulk.
1. The best advice i can offer is mine outside of caldari space and mine in back end systems well away from any trade hub or pvp area where people either just pass through or are really seen
2. single best advice i can give is to pick a belt that is more than 14au from a gate and a station and the sun. If you can do that and you combine it with number 1 you may come through hulkaggeddon without any loses
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:09:00 -
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The only effective tank against suicide ganks is the opportunity tank.
Maximize yield to make up for occassional losses. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
60
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:12:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:
If the gankers are doing it for lols then you will always die.
The "lols" you describe are usually fueled by the tears of carebears. Stop whining and they will stop ganking  |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:13:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
However the ship value to ship value comparison in a destroyer killing a Hulk is akin to a BC killing a Carrier. And doing it easily and every single time
Irrelevant.
Hulk=civilian ship
Destroyer=military ship
Thats like complaining that your enzo got totalled by a basic army 4x4, and complaining because you spent more on your car than he did. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
528
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:20:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
My other character is a miner.
This discredits your entire statement. If you are going to post and try to tell others whats up, at least have the balls to post on your main.
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Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors
Northern Associates.
150
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:22:00 -
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oh my, another gankers vs miners thread.
did not expect, at all. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:34:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:However the ship value to ship value comparison in a destroyer killing a Hulk is akin to a BC killing a Carrier. And doing it easily and every single time
Or like a 50 mil AF killing my 1.5bil ratting tengu. Ooh, surprise! this is not and never been the issue. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:42:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:
shut the **** up. Your a damn tool like every idiot who posts here
No on cares who you are or what you do
**** off
Yes, you are also a tool and an idiot for posting here. You have been notified.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Thundering Herd
226
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:45:00 -
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Came expecting a new perspective on the old "Risk v Reward" memme ...
Left disappointed.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
933
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:45:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
OR fit it for yield not tank, do your research before you go to a system, keep your eyes open and dont mine during hulkageddon. Ive never been ganked in a hulk and Ive never tanked it for anything more than belt rats. Hell Ive never even been attacked cause I tend to mine where people ARENT However the ship value to ship value comparison in a destroyer killing a Hulk is akin to a BC killing a Carrier. And doing it easily and every single time Actually given the ship roles it would be more akin to a megathron killing a rorqual. Which isn't that unrealistic really.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo
WHY so Seri0Us
99
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:50:00 -
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Oh Christ, not this again.
Hi-sec wanabe fail pvpers, grow a pair and find someone who'll only be too happy to shoot back.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
933
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:53:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Oh Christ, not this again.
Hi-sec wanabe fail pvpers, grow a pair and find someone who'll only be too happy to shoot back.
Posting to confirm that Eve online is built on the principles of consensual and fair PvP.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
748
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:53:00 -
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Terms of endearment....dear lawyer...
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:58:00 -
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Chump Clone wrote:Or you could simply mine in a Rokh...
Much more funny when someone steals from a can and you dont put all mining lasers n it
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle
CCP to the sandbox: "This "adapt or die" attitude is nothing new to EVE, but we want to give it a constant rhythm that is a bit more under our control than in the past" |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
626
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:17:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:
If the gankers are doing it for lols then you will always die.
The "lols" you describe are usually fueled by the tears of carebears. Stop whining and they will stop ganking
I dont say this very often but you are an idiot. I dont fly a hulk but im offering advice on the dos and dont of mining.
You just looked at what was written and decided exactly what the other person thought
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:44:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
As most of you know there are risks in this game. 99 percent of these risks can be avoided if you pay attention, fit your ship with a tank or fly with some friends. There are a lot of posts lately from high sec miners crying about how expensive their hulks were before they were exploded by some Destroyers or a Tornado.
As a famous lawyer in New Eden, I have heard many cases of Miners taking a risk by not fitting a tank for a higher yield or even going afk while they mine. This is a risk YOU take by doing this. CCP shouldnt have to change a game to fit your afk or high risk behavior. CCP also has tools in the game that can help you avoid being ganked. Please take the time to learn about fittings, how to fly your ship and this tool called a Directional Scanner.
Before I leave, My other character is a miner. I have been mining during Hulkageddon in a .5 system that is very busy and has had a ton of Hulk ganks. My ship has survived due to fitting a tank, paying attention and using my DSCAN. Yeah, My yield isnt what it was but my ship is still in one piece and I have escaped every gank attempt. shut the **** up. Your a damn tool like every idiot who posts here No on cares who you are or what you do **** off
I am sorry. Did I make the pet mad?
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
108
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:15:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward.
Does this not imply the converse - that low reward should have low risk? Methinks either mining is much more lucrative than I remember, or your logic has failed. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:26:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Risk vs. Reward. Does this not imply the converse - that low reward should have low risk? Methinks either mining is much more lucrative than I remember, or your logic has failed.
You take a risk by not having a tank for more yield.
I think you should check out the changes to the Drone Region.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
722
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:39:00 -
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Where is this risk when mining?
Oh right, people still mine afk and expect to be safe.
Mine aligned (and at your computer) and only the most determined ganker will have a chance of getting you. And he won't be able to do it solo. |
SpaceSquirrels
278
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
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Dont complain about prices then...
Also you really want to stare at the screen for 10 minutes while nothing happens for hours..
Maybe we should finally look at changing mining to be more interactive!!! |
Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University
Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
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Perhaps they should make mining more interesting, to promote paying attention? This would be a buff, I suppose...
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:45:00 -
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Chump Clone wrote:Or you could simply mine in a Rokh...
Even tanked Rokh can be easily alpha'd with 16 Tornadoes. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Thundering Herd
228
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:49:00 -
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Re: Risk v Reward
Miners that fit no tank and die ... so be it, enjoy killing them.
Where's the Risk for the ganker? Ganker has already factored in the ship loss. The SecStatus loss is an expected part of being a HiSec ganker. So, again, where's the risk for the ganker? That his gank fails? Not likely if he has has half a brain ...
As there is no real risk in HiSec ganking ... maybe add more consequence?
Like Skill Point loss if CONCORD in on your killmail?
[yes, that last line is a troll ... just want to see who bites] 
Nothing clever at this time. |
Balthisus Filtch
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:55:00 -
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Quite clearly the ease of killing a hulk is unbalanced. To say anything otherwise is just to ignore the obvious.
BUT it is what it is. You just have to get on with it and adapt. They make for easy prey so people who want easy kills are gonna jump on them..... just because they can.
What springs to my mind is why anyone is mining? It's very boring, right now quite risky and is about the worst ISK per hour. The only time CCP would need to do anything would be if the player base stopped mining - then a rebalancing would be required (or the game would die from no minerals lol). But it seems at the moment that miners are happy to mine despite ganking, so there doesn't appear to be a balance issue to discuss?
The only problem I can see is if mining is predominantly performed by new players and there is a clear trend of them quitting after continual losses. This would be a good reason I guess to limit the event to hulks ONLY, whereas the event has been trending the other way to all mining vessels.
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