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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:24:00 -
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OK, here goes. I run a small shop - not doing all that well, but that's probably irrelevant. Yesterday, someone from the Performing Rights Society called and told me that to broadcast music (such as having the radio on in the shop) I am required to buy a license. I have checked, and that is only true if the music is not licensed by me for broadcast or otherwise free to use. In any case, I am not exactly keen on further inflating the incomes of millionaire popstars.
I've found quite a lot of free or public domain music, but most of it is only free for use in a non-commercial setting - and playing it in a shop counts as commercial, for sure. So can anyone tell me of a source of downloadable music that can legally be played without restrictions? This could be stuff that's out of copyright, or stuff that the owner of the copyright has stated can be used for anything one likes; I really don't care.
I am definitely NOT interested in breaking copyright law in any way, so please don't point me at any source of pirated music - which would most likely be against forum rules in any case. (I haven't checked, BTW, on this specific point.)
Failing that, can anyone point me at a source for music that can be used for a (reasonably small) one-off payment?
Thanks in advance.
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Cing Liberdanis
Fear Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:25:00 -
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Make your own :3
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari The Colonial Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:28:00 -
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Check the newgrounds and Deviant art audios. Most people there would be flattered if you asked to play their music in your store.
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Seroquel
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:55:00 -
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I'm not trying to be unproductive but it might be easier to just not play music. I wouldn't trust any music claiming to be released under some sort of 'creative commons' style licensing. You are the one that gets screwed if some dumb ass kid, claiming it is public domain, posts a copyrighted song on the Internet.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 23:03:00 -
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Is there any particular kind of music you're looking for? --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.25 02:52:00 -
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you should be able to play anything older than 50 years old, i dont think you will be pursued for out of copyright music, and most artists/performers would be too busy spinning in thier graves to chase you. so you got some fun looking for clasical, early rock n roll, early jazz, blues. from the 1900's-1955 just hope you dont mind scratchy sounding music |
Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.04.25 05:30:00 -
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Buy songs off of Itunes and just play it for your personal enjoyment throughout the store.
I am sure someone somewhere will find the legal loophole that lets you. ------------------------------ Sigs like this. |
Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.25 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Evthron Macyntire Buy songs off of Itunes and just play it for your personal enjoyment throughout the store.
I am sure someone somewhere will find the legal loophole that lets you.
nop, no loophole, unless your qualifying in the very very small group of people who dont have to pay (you're on your own, in a non public space, and noone else can hear it, ever.)
PRS are pretty much gonna scam you no matter what. and it is a scam, regardless of what they claim.
I work in a workshop with about 9 other people. that, straight up, will cost me a around 150 quid for a license.
because the site runs a 4 shift system theres technically 50 odd employees, so that ramps the price up again.
So for a few lads to have thier own radios on listening to something on a 12 hour nightshift its gonna cost the company hundreds.
(if it was a registered nightclub wed only have to pay ú99.99 - Bizzarre or what!)
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.25 05:57:00 -
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some links for OP
http://ccmixter.org/view/media/remix
http://magnatune.com/
http://www.joshwoodward.com/music/ btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.25 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK you should be able to play anything older than 50 years old, i dont think you will be pursued for out of copyright music, and most artists/performers would be too busy spinning in thier graves to chase you. so you got some fun looking for clasical, early rock n roll, early jazz, blues. from the 1900's-1955 just hope you dont mind scratchy sounding music
It's a bit longer than that here in the UK:
Quote: Duration of copyright
The 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act states the duration as;
1. For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works
70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.
If the author is unknown, copyright will last for 70 years from end of the calendar year in which the work was created, although if it is made available to the public during that time, (by publication, authorised performance, broadcast, exhibition, etc.), then the duration will be 70 years from the end of the year that the work was first made available.
Thus, most people now alive will probably be dead before the copyright expires on any of the Beatles' songs. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
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kyoukoku
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Posted - 2009.04.25 18:23:00 -
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Try Jamendo. Lots of great music on there on creative commons licenses. |
annoing
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.25 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 25/04/2009 18:46:50
GM.Mainframe(mainframe could be the host webby .. I dont know and I dont care, I just know the guy is something special) is a guy that mixes tunes and gives them away for free . Apart from the fact hes a feking awesome producer, they (apart from one tune) are all an hour long .. 12 tunes, 11 hours, good dancing stuff -- I play him every day with 'Coming Down' being my fav tune.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, hes a damn Eve-Online player too ... cant go wrong can you?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.25 18:59:00 -
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Confirming what Annoing said. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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kor anon
Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung
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Posted - 2009.04.25 19:11:00 -
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You could get one of your freinds to bring a radio in and play it, every once in a while you tell him to stop very clearly (he of course doesnt). That should free you of any obligation to buy a liscence. But again its a suggestion made by someone who is NOT a lawyer so im not entirely sure if it will work.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.04.25 19:57:00 -
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Your options are pretty much:
- Pay a license fee for permission to broadcast radio - Purchase/obtain royalty-free/public domain music - Create your own - Ask friends/local/unsigned bands for permission to play their music
There may be Internet radio stations you're allowed to play at work, though I'm not sure on that, nor do I know of any. -------------
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Lebeck
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Posted - 2009.04.26 00:42:00 -
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Wait, you cant listen to the radio broadcast that is already public domain and free to tap into even though they are paying the artists or the union or whatever it is in some way? That seems over the top silly. The music that is on the radio is free isn't it?
I'm in Canada and our laws are obviously a little different. If I heard this over here I would say it was a scam. But then again Canadians are legally allowed to download any music as it's our right to do so.
Very weird that you would have to pay for a license for something that is free to use.
Now on that note you could pick up the small fm transmitters that are no bigger then an MP3 player. I've seen them here for as low as $9.99, and they would allow everyone to listen to what they want without violating any bogus laws.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.26 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lebeck Wait, you cant listen to the radio broadcast that is already public domain and free to tap into even though they are paying the artists or the union or whatever it is in some way? That seems over the top silly. The music that is on the radio is free isn't it?
I'm in Canada and our laws are obviously a little different. If I heard this over here I would say it was a scam. But then again Canadians are legally allowed to download any music as it's our right to do so.
Very weird that you would have to pay for a license for something that is free to use.
Now on that note you could pick up the small fm transmitters that are no bigger then an MP3 player. I've seen them here for as low as $9.99, and they would allow everyone to listen to what they want without violating any bogus laws.
I'm not quite sure, so i may be wrong. But usually any commercial business has to own a license to broadcast music, or sub-broadcast a radio channel. The latter is one of the many reasons i firmly believe the industry is not trying to save itself, its trying to snap up every penny it can from anyone it can point its greasy fingers at. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:54:00 -
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It might also be of great help if the OP states what country they are in, as laws are different depending on where you are.
To be honest with you I would just pay the license, I would also check to see if just radio broadcasting was a cheaper way.
and If you are not interested in "further inflating the incomes of millionaire popstars" then just play local music from small time bands, big boost to them and they won't cost you as much. |
KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.04.27 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lebeck I'm in Canada and our laws are obviously a little different. If I heard this over here I would say it was a scam. But then again Canadians are legally allowed to download any music as it's our right to do so.
I wanted to laugh and ask "Are you sure?" but then I checked out of curiosity and you're absolutely correct. From the page: Quote: Canadian courts have ruled that consumers have the right to copy any recording from the original copy even those they do not personally own. This consumer right has been extended by the courts to include peer-to-peer downloads
Because the music industry charges a levy on all blank CDs sold, any Canadian can download and copy any music they want. That is pretty unbelievable considering the controversy in other countries around even legal download services, DRM, etc. But then they probably make more money on the blank discs sold than they do from original album sales. -------------
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.04.27 09:11:00 -
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to be honest - the PRS licenses are cheap (as little as ú73pa), I'd just go for one of those and be free to play what you want.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.27 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/04/2009 10:54:28 Music sucks. Play white noise
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Irulan S'Dijana
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 25/04/2009 18:46:50
GM.Mainframe(mainframe could be the host webby .. I dont know and I dont care, I just know the guy is something special) is a guy that mixes tunes and gives them away for free .
Holy crap this guy is full of awesome!
Will be spreading around work tomorrow.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.04.27 19:00:00 -
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L2Radio
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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annoing
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana
Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 25/04/2009 18:46:50
GM.Mainframe(mainframe could be the host webby .. I dont know and I dont care, I just know the guy is something special) is a guy that mixes tunes and gives them away for free .
Holy crap this guy is full of awesome!
Isnt he though .. an absolute fuking special talent. Just imagine what he could achieve if this was his full time job !!!
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Ludi Tomina
Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana
Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 25/04/2009 18:46:50
GM.Mainframe(mainframe could be the host webby .. I dont know and I dont care, I just know the guy is something special) is a guy that mixes tunes and gives them away for free .
Holy crap this guy is full of awesome!
Isnt he though .. an absolute fuking special talent. Just imagine what he could achieve if this was his full time job !!!
Just listening to him for the first time ever, great stuff indeed! Add 1 to the CurrentFanNumber! Will spread the Word. *********** WTB: RL |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.28 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto L2Radio
In the UK you need a licence to have that within earshot of the public as well. __________________
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.29 14:11:00 -
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Sorry, I should have specified. I live and work in the UK; and yes, you are supposed to pay a license and therefore pay more money to people who have been paid twice already - the radio station usually has to buy the CD and then has to pay for the rights to broadcast.
I might be wrong, but AFAIK the money is shared out among the artists and record companies in the scheme, according to their annual sales. In other words, most of the money is indeed going to millionaire rock stars and media megacorps. I object to that - strongly.
There are some further restrictions, on what would be suitable. I run a health food/vitamin supplement shop, so the music probably needs to be fairly neutral and inoffensive. So no death metal or industrial, no matter how much I might like it! Something tells me that the little old ladies, of all ages and both sexes, that comprise a lot of my customers might object. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.04.29 15:17:00 -
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It is indeed the law in the UK, and I have even heard of a builder being taken to caught for listening to the radio in his van whilst working (as effectively, this was a workplace with other people working in it, and therefore a public place). I don't know if he was convicted, but it shows just how silly the law is.
Firstly, broadcasting music over the radio is advertising. If the music companies don't want people listening to their music for free, how are they going to convince them to buy it? If people hear a song on the radio, they will decide whether they like or not, and then buy it. That's the way radio works. If they are so damn concerned about people actually listening to this music for free, then don't play it on the radio and see zero return on their investment.
To consider the public playing of radio in shops and workplaces as a 'performance' is laughable. People do not go into places of business to listen to the music. It is background ambience. Now I could see their point if someone charged for people to listen to it, but not when it's just ambience. What about shops that sell televisions. Are they to switch off all the televisions just in case someone accuses them of holding a public performance of whatever their showing?
I am all for the performers protecting their intellectual property, but if they get too zealous in their quest to protect their rights, they will shoot themselves in the foot. The DRM issue on CDs was an unmitigated disaster, and cost the industry more than piracy (some bands sold such dismal numbers on their records it killed their careers). This could prove to be equally disastrous to the advertising of music, as people will listen to the radio less, and get less exposure to the music, and therefore will lack any 'product awareness' and not buy the CDs these companies produce.
Sensible copyright protection would just see music played on the radio as 'public domain' and see it for what it really is, which is advertising.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.04.29 15:25:00 -
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Use EVE tracks.
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.29 21:14:00 -
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Irida, strangely enough I thought of that - and have in fact emailed CCP to ask for permission. I really must download my email.
(Scared of DLing email because I haven't done it for a few days and will probably have about 2000 spams. )
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