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Nathan Rees Procellum Immortalis	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:24:00 - [1] So i ahve heard rumors that the Tengu is capable of soloing lvl 5 missions with ease and some decent skills as a pilot. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If so can u sharea setup that will allow me to solo lvl 5 missions. I have never tried them but have been warned off against trying it in my nighthawk. Thanks for the help.
Gregorian Tarkenoff	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:36:00 - [2] I read up on Level V's on Eve Wiki, and it said you need 2000 DPS Passive Tank Buffer due to Energy Neut Towers. To get this on the Tengu with all Level V's... [Tengu, Mission 5 Runner] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Salvager I [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers 2087 DPS Passive Tank against Guristas, but only 399 dps with HAM's
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Pottsey on 25/04/2009 11:45:55 What if you had a Vulture at a Pos boosting shield HP regen and resistance? Could you not fit perhaps 1or 2 damage mods. Or would that not count as solo? Just a cheap alt in a frig for the hitpoint boost might help. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Nathan Rees Procellum Immortalis	Posted - 2009.04.25 12:10:00 - [4] i can do them in my ighthawk with a couple of shield boosters but i would like to be able to use the tengu to do it on my own...
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.04.25 12:29:00 - [5] Edited by: Mr Reason on 25/04/2009 12:30:30 Having no experience whatsoever with sleepers and completely based on what's stated in this thread; a Drake will out tank that Tengu and (with drones added) out damages it as well, for a third of the cost. [Drake, therm kin] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Salvager I Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Hobgoblin II x5
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.25 12:48:00 - [6] That rumours were probably spread by sellers who still want to get more than 1 billion for their Tengus. Probably it can be done, but it won't be very effective compared to the Nighthawk. I did quite a lot of level 5 missions solo in a Nighthawk, with pithum a-type resistance amps. I don't think the tengu can passive-tank better than a nighthawk, at least not if it does comparable damage. The NH does 450-650 dps (depends on mission and how many ballistic controls it allows to fit), a Tengu that can tank a level 5 can't do that, at least not that i know, if someone shows me a tengu setup that can tank like a nighthawk while dealing more damage i'll be happy to buy it. __________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88 [red]Please resize your sig to a maximum of 400
Nathan Rees Procellum Immortalis	Posted - 2009.04.25 14:04:00 - [7] Could i get your lvl 5 nighthawk setup please?
Sanguinem	Posted - 2009.04.25 14:35:00 - [8] [Nighthawk, Mission Runner Level 5] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field (Substitute Passive Pithum A-Types for these two, -400 Tank) Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Salvager I Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Hobgoblin II x5 2014 DPS Tank/501 DPS with Drones 151K EHP
TII Noob	Posted - 2009.04.25 15:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Sanguinem [Nighthawk, Mission Runner Level 5] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field (Substitute Passive Pithum A-Types for these two, -400 Tank) Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Salvager I Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Hobgoblin II x5 2014 DPS Tank/501 DPS with Drones 151K EHP sorry for offtopic.. but how much can you make off a level 5 mission with non capital ?
Bloody Rabbit	Posted - 2009.04.25 16:00:00 - [10] Originally by: TII Noob sorry for offtopic.. but how much can you make off a level 5 mission with non capital ? If its a lvl 5 faction then 15 million or more in tags and 65k in LP and about 10 million in reward. If its a pirate lvl 5 then 25 million in bounty and 65k in LP and 10 million in reward. But I have always had a hard time transforming my LP into isk.
Meer Kat GCHQ	Posted - 2009.04.25 17:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Meer Kat on 25/04/2009 17:52:21 Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Originally by: TII Noob sorry for offtopic.. but how much can you make off a level 5 mission with non capital ? If its a lvl 5 faction then 15 million or more in tags and 65k in LP and about 10 million in reward. If its a pirate lvl 5 then 25 million in bounty and 65k in LP and 10 million in reward. But I have always had a hard time transforming my LP into isk. Lp rewards depend on skills and system sec, I get 83k Lp's with both relevant skills at lvl v in a 0.2 system, Mordus Headhunters yields around 40 mill in bounties and over 9k m3 in loot but it is the exception. The Commander has a 5 mill bounty and drops a Hardwiring worth from 25 to 175 mill.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.04.25 20:30:00 - [12] How long does it take to complete your average level 5 with one of these fits? Is it possible to set up a rattlesnake that has similar passive-tanking effectiveness?
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.25 22:09:00 - [13] The Tengu can be about as good as the Nighthawk if you don't use a terribad fit. [Tengu, TANKU] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening 2329 tank against Gurista and 490 dps at 110 km. The smaller sig also makes your tank much higher effectively.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.04.26 02:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Mahke Is it possible to set up a rattlesnake that has similar passive-tanking effectiveness? Has a bigger ass (sig size) -> gets hit harder -> needs an exponentially bigger tank. Most likely no or only with an absurdly expensive setup. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.26 03:35:00 - [15] Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 26/04/2009 03:35:52 Originally by: Mahke How long does it take to complete your average level 5 with one of these fits? Is it possible to set up a rattlesnake that has similar passive-tanking effectiveness? It is possible, but you need to pimp it and in the end, it ends up with less effective DPS than a Nighthawk for a much higher price. Ships to solo level 5s with: Ishtar - if not heavily pimped, only possible against rats that deal kinetic and/or thermal damage. Angels, however, eat it alive, due to varying damage types and constant webbing. It's the fastest though, as sentries are far more effective than missiles due to defenders. Incredibly easy against Guristas, you only need a T2 fit and even then, there's enough tank for a sentry rig. Nighthawk - I believe it can be done for most missions, but price and DPS will vary accordingly. Defenders greatly reduce its DPS, but that doesn't really matter because Level 5 missions are to Level 4s what Level 4s are to Level 3s. Vulture - easiest to fit/tank, but DPS is extremely low. Not recommended at all. A drake (even T2 fit) can get enough tank for level 5s too, but DPS is pretty low. I've used an alt in one to tank while I was in a gank battleship killing the stuff.
throbbinnoggin Gallente Eminent Domain	Posted - 2009.04.26 03:53:00 - [16] Somethings crazy that I just noticed. Maybe someone can confirm this. I was just messing around with the newest version of EFT and experimented with the second poster's Tengu fit. On chance I removed the defense subsystem to try another while leaving a couple of T2 large shield extenders in place. I briefly looked over and noticed my sustained defense efficiency jumped to 2229 hp/s with 0 across the board resists. I hovered my cursor over the shield hit points and saw the following: Shield capacity: 6687.5 hp Recharge time: 7.5 sec Leaving the defense module out, I proceeded to fit 2 more large extenders: Shield capacity: 13250 hp Recharge time: 7.5 sec = 4417 sustained defense efficiency Added 3 core defense field purger 2's: Shield capacity: 13250 hp Recharge time: 3.2 sec = 10469 sustained defense efficiency Added 4 T2 shield power relays: Shield capacity: 13250 hp Recharge time: 1.1 sec = 31380 sustained defense efficiency Please tell me I'm missing something here? I have to be. Like maybe you have to fit a defensive subsystem or the ship can't be used? * Just returned after being out of the game for over a year and a half so excuse me if I am.
4 LOM United Gamers	Posted - 2009.04.26 05:58:00 - [17] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Please tell me I'm missing something here? I have to be. Like maybe you have to fit a defensive subsystem or the ship can't be used? Bingo Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Mahke How long does it take to complete your average level 5 with one of these fits? Is it possible to set up a rattlesnake that has similar passive-tanking effectiveness? Usually around 1 hour, some are 1,5 hour, others 30-40 minutes. Just completed a lvl 5 against sanshas (cleaning house or whatever the name was) in 43 minutes solo with a nighthawk with 3 CN ballistic controls. That's 7 mil in direct rewards, ~20mil bounties and ~70k loyalty points, which is not bad for 43 minutes playtime i think. I don't think a rattlesnake will work. You need to have a passive tank because of the neut towers, battleships have a bad shield regeneration and not the resists of a t2 ship. Also speed is quite important and the ability to kill tacklers fast if needed. Nighthawk is quite ok with it's precision bonus on heavy missiles, a rattlesnake won't do well and will have a worse dps in general (if used with cruise missiles, torps won't work with most lvl 5 because you need to get range). For doing level 5 solo you need a tank and a weapon system that works well without cap and is able to do high dps + precise dps if needed. __________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88

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