Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/06/2009 11:18:28
A thing to add for the cons:

- this change will make hauling missions very negative for new players. They will not have the collateral to lose and it will make suicide ganking more interesting in high sec too.

With the almost non-existent cost of a insured ship a new character doing a hauling mission in a untanked ship (and new players will do that) will lose a lot between ship, mission payout, collateral and standing while the ganker will get a consistent reward.

Especially if mission payout stay as low as today.

Rendering a whole class of missions not economically rewarding (remember that the auto balancing system for payouts use only the completion time and don't consider the failure rate) is equivalent to removing them from the game.

Still worth discussing, so supported.

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Originally by: Valen Zalkos

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I came across a macro hauler hub the other day and all i got for my efforts was a bad sec status.

/supported

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Originally by: mazzilliu

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In certain mission hubs in lowsec and nullsec, macro haulers have infested the area in such large numbers that even lowsec pirates cannot contain their numbers. here is my proposal to solve the problem:

for all hauling missions with a reward above a certain small amount(so this excludes low level highsec missions), increase the collateral to one million ISK or more, and increase the value of the hauled item to equal the increased collateral.


pros:
-players are now more motivated to drastically reduce the volume of macro hauler abuse- rather then anti-macroers and people who do it for fun, now disrupting these missions will give you a profit.
-Fewer petitions will waste GM's time
-people who successfully complete the mission will not be adversely affected.
-relatively easy to implement, rather then introducing new code, CCP just needs someone to go over the mission texts and change some numbers around
-boost to piracy! seriously, piracy got hit pretty hard after the value of t2 modules plummeted and a lot of ship value blows up in rigs now. any sort of increasing the income from piracy is a good thing :D
-macroers are forced to stick to low profit highsec issions

cons:
-hauling missions in general will be harder to carry out in lowsec and 0.0. There may be issues with players not wanting to invest in a scout/some muscle/a jumpdrive capable ship in order to complete a mission. I think this issue can be resolved with an ongoing look at re balancing the reward system for hauler missions.

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Originally by: Amantus

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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.

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