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Delphi Grendalus
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mish'Kala EVE is a game. Many people forget this, but the reason is understandable. Every player in EVE, no matter what they do, puts in effort to get results.
From your point of view you put in effort to scam from other players. MOST other players put in effort in missions, industry, Invention and Piracy to get their gains.
Im not saying what is right or wrong, but the preceved underhanded nature of the way you play this game is what people object to. If they were scammed on a street corner by a card shark they would feel the same thing. Thats where the line blurs for a lot of players. Yes its a game, but they put effort in to getting that money, so its a personal affront to have it scammed away from them. Why did it happen? It simple really. They didnt look at what was happening, but its far easier to blame the scammer and rage about it. If you cant understand that, you'll never understand why EVE can be an emotional place for some.
At last a sane answer! Thank you very much. I think I am beginning to understand that people don't seem to know where the game ends, which I guess can happen to anyone who has spent more then a few weeks building up a character. You've really made my day, from now on I will know that those wishing I die in fire (seriously) for scamming their isks are actually lost in a fantasy world and I will pity them. Thank you once again.
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar FarSight Location and Recovery Services
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mish''Kala on 27/04/2009 12:10:46 Very Welcome. Best of Luck.
Edit:
er can i have some isks for making your day? please??
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 27/04/2009 12:23:55 OP: If it is this kind of comments:
Originally by: knifee Bla bla bla.
that you feel as hate aimed at you, there is simply something wrong with you and you should seek professional help immediately.
Two sessions per week for a couple of months at a good psychotherapist will do wonders for your self confidence. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Steintz
Gallente Mercenary Juniors
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 27/04/2009 12:23:55 OP: If it is this kind of comments:
Originally by: knifee Bla bla bla.
that you feel as hate aimed at you, there is simply something wrong with you and you should seek professional help immediately.
Two sessions per week for a couple of months at a good psychotherapist will do wonders for your self confidence.
Or just send me 500 mill isk and i will return to you, a magic item that will help you.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus But thats just it, I don't post contracts in local and I seem to get MORE hate then any other scammer I've seen. Why?
Guilt by association newb
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:01:00 -
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here's a thought.
how do you feel when your lied to? your best friend steals your girlfriend? your used abused and treated like an idiot? your house, car, stuff or cash is stolen? your treated like a piece of meat at work?
treat people the way you would like to be treated. if you would be upset mad or feel stupid if someone does to you what your doing to strangers or people you know, maybe you should not do it period?
maybe like half the scammers do not brag about how much isk you are making and how stupid eve players are for buying your stuff? or moving into a popular hub and spamming crap 10+ hours a day 7 days a week, how would this possibly tick people off?
yes eve is a game, yes your stuff is just pixels and shaders and skins, and isk is made up 1s and 0s. but people put time and their soul into this make believe land, they pay real money to play the game. is it any wonder they get upset at the spam and the bragging?
yes i hate the idiots that are too greedy or too busy to read the contract and make sure the numbers and items add up to what is advertised before they accept. without them scammers would not be as prevalent as they are. they are as much to blame as the people that run these bots/macros.
but to be shocked that your are spamming, lying and using people and amazed your getting negative feedback from people? please go back to goon fleet now.
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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi here's a thought.
how do you feel when your lied to? your best friend steals your girlfriend? your used abused and treated like an idiot? your house, car, stuff or cash is stolen? your treated like a piece of meat at work?
treat people the way you would like to be treated. if you would be upset mad or feel stupid if someone does to you what your doing to strangers or people you know, maybe you should not do it period?
maybe like half the scammers do not brag about how much isk you are making and how stupid eve players are for buying your stuff? or moving into a popular hub and spamming crap 10+ hours a day 7 days a week, how would this possibly tick people off?
yes eve is a game, yes your stuff is just pixels and shaders and skins, and isk is made up 1s and 0s. but people put time and their soul into this make believe land, they pay real money to play the game. is it any wonder they get upset at the spam and the bragging?
yes i hate the idiots that are too greedy or too busy to read the contract and make sure the numbers and items add up to what is advertised before they accept. without them scammers would not be as prevalent as they are. they are as much to blame as the people that run these bots/macros.
but to be shocked that your are spamming, lying and using people and amazed your getting negative feedback from people? please go back to goon fleet now.
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Bluepetal
Amarr Deadbone Platoon Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:13:00 -
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Eve Rule #1: In EVE, everyone lies. Especially the scammers. That should be the mantra of everyone that plays. Then there are no surprises.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bluepetal Eve Rule #1: In EVE, everyone lies. Especially the scammers. That should be the mantra of everyone that plays. Then there are no surprises.
Why should I believe that?
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar FarSight Location and Recovery Services
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Bluepetal Eve Rule #1: In EVE, everyone lies. Especially the scammers. That should be the mantra of everyone that plays. Then there are no surprises.
Why should I believe that?
you shouldnt, he's obviously lying. the scallywag!
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Navtiqes
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mish'Kala
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Bluepetal Eve Rule #1: In EVE, everyone lies. Especially the scammers. That should be the mantra of everyone that plays. Then there are no surprises.
Why should I believe that?
you shouldnt, he's obviously lying. the scallywag!
If everyone lies, that means you lied about everyone lieing, which means nobody lies! |
Bluepetal
Amarr Deadbone Platoon Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Mish'Kala
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Bluepetal Eve Rule #1: In EVE, everyone lies. Especially the scammers. That should be the mantra of everyone that plays. Then there are no surprises.
Why should I believe that?
you shouldnt, he's obviously lying. the scallywag!
If everyone lies, that means you lied about everyone lieing, which means nobody lies!
Circular logic gets you nowhere. In EVE, everyone, and I mean everyone, lies. I have not met one, single, truthful person, yet.
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Faekurias
Specter Enterprises The Church.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous Obvious troll thread is obvious troll.
Your sig, What the F is that? Looks like a odd wormy pen!s about to engulf a fish or some****. WTF ------------------------- FAEKURIAS
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Razzor Death
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ranik Sandaris Op you suck more than a Blow job made by Dyson.
Hey if dyson actually made a blow job machine it would be pritty good, Better than a blender company making one.
jus saying...
*hides dyson*
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Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Harrow on 27/04/2009 15:10:42
Originally by: Delphi Grendalus I'm just trying my best to play this game my way and yet everywhere I go I am insulted for simply trying to make some ISK and have some fun. If it's not someone nasty calling me an idiot or worse it's a a feverish "OMG SCAM!!" from someone who can only be described as Sherlock Columbo for their stunning detective genius. Why do people feel the need to act like this? I have feelings too ya know and they get very hurt despite the mountains of tear stained isk I rake in.
I don't get why everyone is being so mean to me, why can't they either fall for my scams, have a laugh with me or just put me on block?
People dont like being scammed or cheated - you like scamming and cheating people - people dont like you.
stupid question is stupid...
Simples...
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Rapt Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus This is my main, 4 days old and 550M up. Is that why everyone hates me? Is it just jealousy?
Thats less than I make a day, and I play maybe 45 minutes a day during the week.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't hate you; specifically because the money you make is just going to used to buy goods I sell and in turn make money for me. Thanks!
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus Edited by: Delphi Grendalus on 27/04/2009 10:18:34 See? Even on the forums I get hate and I'm not even trying toscam anyone
oddly most everyone resents being cheated. it's rather foolish to expect any better treatment than you get.
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Did you hear that Forum mods have the ability to look at all characters on an account, to prevent naughty Bumping and Bidding in the sales Forums?
You might as well have just posted with your Main, becuase its corp will probably get a Wardec from mercenarys now
WTS Tinfoil hats - only 999,999,999.99 ISK (100k) each.
Just in case you don't 'get it', Forum mods cannot use this power for in-game power, because I'm pretty sure if they did and were caught they would face serious disciplinary action (AKA kick-ban).
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Kavu
Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:19:00 -
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no, you are right, everyone hates you, alot, you should biomass yourself
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Delphi Grendalus
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi
Many tears
So you would fall into the trapped in a fantasy world category then?
This will be my last post as I have had my question answered.
I never stated I made 550M in 4 days to brag but simply to highlight envy. I know there are many other players who make much more running missions and trading in Jita and I am envious of them (though I don't go wishing their families death). However I have only been playing less then a week and I don't think there is a way to make more then that which does not require knowledge of the game or plexes which I don't currently possess. I'll gladly take pointers on how to break into trading mining and manufacturing as I said, I don't really know anything about the game other then how to warp to 0M and copy and paste in local.
EVE is advertised as being a game where everyone is against everyone, yet people still get ****ed when they are lied to and fall victim to their own greed? Perhaps this game is more carebear then I had previously thought or perhaps the players aren't as mature as they are supposed to be.
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Amy Mouse
Intersteller Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Grendalus
Originally by: Nito Musashi
Many tears
So you would fall into the trapped in a fantasy world category then?
This will be my last post as I have had my question answered.
I never stated I made 550M in 4 days to brag but simply to highlight envy. I know there are many other players who make much more running missions and trading in Jita and I am envious of them (though I don't go wishing their families death). However I have only been playing less then a week and I don't think there is a way to make more then that which does not require knowledge of the game or plexes which I don't currently possess. I'll gladly take pointers on how to break into trading mining and manufacturing as I said, I don't really know anything about the game other then how to warp to 0M and copy and paste in local.
EVE is advertised as being a game where everyone is against everyone, yet people still get ****ed when they are lied to and fall victim to their own greed? Perhaps this game is more carebear then I had previously thought or perhaps the players aren't as mature as they are supposed to be.
stop acting like you wanna carebear. go scam some more and go make more money, there is no shame in it.
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Malusae
Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:45:00 -
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I just hate the spam tbh. Scamming is a mechanic in the game that rewards the lazy and denies the stupid.
So you can take from that what you will.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi here's a thought.
how do you feel when your lied to? your best friend steals your girlfriend? your used abused and treated like an idiot? your house, car, stuff or cash is stolen? your treated like a piece of meat at work?
<-- Reality is that way
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Tzest0r
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
<-- Reality is that way
LIES ! dat way ---->
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:56:00 -
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awful troll is awful. 2/10.
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Droog 1
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:04:00 -
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Sure, I totally believe that you made 550 million Isk in 4 days from the 'Double your Isk' scam.
I don't mind scammers but I have a dislike for bull****ters. Screen shots or it didn't happen failcakes. |
Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Nito Musashi here's a thought.
how do you feel when your lied to? your best friend steals your girlfriend? your used abused and treated like an idiot? your house, car, stuff or cash is stolen? your treated like a piece of meat at work?
<-- Reality is that way
but human psychology and behavior is the exact same in eve as it is in real life, should it matter as much? no. but it still matters to people how you treat them and you react to how they treat you.
eve is a almost a case study in human psychology how things play out period.
scam people, blow people up they are going to get varying degrees of annoyed. yes some overblow it, but some troll asking why oh why do people hate me for sitting in empire running a bot all day scamming isk off people.
while the majority of players in eve are running missions, mining, pirating, running all over the galaxy doing trades. and some wonder why people flame these people that are making isk doing nothing but running a chat macro?
nevermind that i am sure a few of these scam accounts are used to launder or transfer gold farmer isk funds. certainly is a better way than mailing a billion isk to various accounts.
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Leaving Eve
Boo Hoo Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:47:00 -
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you can watch this spammer spam this old chestnut in Oursulaert
Quote:
[17:21:54] Delphi Grendalus > My main is quitting EVE, I am giving away over 25 BILLION ISK! Simply send me a donation and I will TRIPLE it before sending it back in SECONDS!! Over 2 BILLION given away so far! See my bio for more details!
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Ice Fist
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Razzor Death
Originally by: Ranik Sandaris Op you suck more than a Blow job made by Dyson.
Hey if dyson actually made a blow job machine it would be pritty good, Better than a blender company making one.
jus saying...
*hides dyson*
Razzor, I heard that youre partial to the one made by the blender company. c/d?
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Delphi Grendalus
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Leaving Eve you can watch this spammer spam this old chestnut in Oursulaert
Quote:
[17:21:54] Delphi Grendalus > My main is quitting EVE, I am giving away over 25 BILLION ISK! Simply send me a donation and I will TRIPLE it before sending it back in SECONDS!! Over 2 BILLION given away so far! See my bio for more details!
It's pretty cool to see someone recognise your work, thanks! I was told this type of scam used to be really popular by one of the guys who convinced me to join eve so I'm as surprised as anyone that people are still falling for it en masse.
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