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FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.01 02:13:00 - [1] I can't seem to find a similar topic which I am sure one exist but here goes. Can you use alts in noob corps in the noob ships, to constintly warp to a pos to cause it to eventually run out of ammo? Not just one toon, but can they use several over the course of hours to make a pos burn ammo? Also, they are not exploring because they keep coming back over, and over... This legal game play?
Sidrat Flush Caldari Life is Experience	Posted - 2009.05.01 02:33:00 - [2] Probably an exploit/griefing most definately a waste of time though. -------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better. EXP-L Refining Calculator v1.5
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.05.01 04:10:00 - [3] Probably not unless its a macro. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.05.01 05:58:00 - [4] Based on a tangentially related question I once asked a GM and got an answer for: If you use newbie characters and recycle them to avoid penalties or game mechanics then it's an exploit. I'm not sure if you're actually avoiding penalties here, but if your security status was then reduced, you technically can't recycle the characters, that would be an exploit. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. Now Recruiting.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2009.05.01 09:36:00 - [5] What if they got laser turrets? -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Braaage Ministry of Craft	Posted - 2009.05.01 09:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Shintai What if they got laser turrets? Yup couple of small lasers and a webber will sort these out, the small lasers will lock quicker than any of the big guns so they shouldn't even fire. -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, T2/T3 production & more
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.05.01 09:47:00 - [7] Considering how quickly they die, it would take possibly days if not weeks to run a POS out of ammo with one. As above you can't keep recycling / using new characters, but it is unlikely to be an exploit if they are using the same one. It's more of a waste of time for them than it is a waste of ammo for you. Word on the grapevine is that there is possibly some other bug using a POS's ammo at downtime, can't verify that myself.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.01 10:34:00 - [8] We had a pos attacked in this way a long time ago, we worked out with the current ammo and rof would have taken them 13 days to run it dry ;) The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute!
Sir Elliot	Posted - 2009.05.01 14:53:00 - [9] That's like sending troops into an army of killer robots until their kill-counter reaches 9,999,999,999 and the robots shut down.
FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.01 14:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Braaage Originally by: Shintai What if they got laser turrets? Yup couple of small lasers and a webber will sort these out, the small lasers will lock quicker than any of the big guns so they shouldn't even fire. They come with 5-10 noob ships at a time and stay far out of web range, like 150-175km or further so the big guns shoot them. And about that whole 13 days straight before they run out of ammo... that is completely far fetched and unrealistic pos defense. I put up a small beam and pulse lasor but when they come at it with a dozen or so alts, it takes a looong time before they are all killed, and most likely by the time a couple are popped, they are are already back with more noob ships from the station in system.

Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:30:00 - [11] I think its a legitimate tactic, but not exactly the wisest one. I mean ammo isn't really expensive. At best this kind of attack will be an inconvenience.
Wardo21	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:34:00 - [12] I would suggest "Starbase Defense Management 4" if you haven't learned it already. Or a "frig swatting" ship, still capable of defending against any pvp ships they might bring to the party. The noob ships are likely the standard issue beginner ships and unlikely to harm a reasonably tanked BC. Sentry drones, or drones from a domi with some drone modules might also be a workable pest control solution. Sniper Ferox with some painters. Other races ships with range bonuses (none come to mind, but I fly Caldari and don't know the other races well) might also work. If more PVP quality ships show up, head for the shield and take over the guns. If they are over 150km, setup some bookmarks in their area, and then back at (or just beyond the other side of) your tower. Warp into the noobs, kill some and warp away if needed. Make a supply run and put extra ammo on site. Later reload (not resupply) runs won't need to have the ammo with them (fly a combat ship over instead of an indy) but will need reasonable sized holds to get the ammo from storage out to the guns. Take GSC and anchor them inside the shield, but closer to the gun positions... There are alternatives, but unfortunately these all require some level of interaction with your time and materials wasted to defend against toons hiding in the noob corps.
FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Wardo21 I would suggest "Starbase Defense Management 4" if you haven't learned it already. Or a "frig swatting" ship, still capable of defending against any pvp ships they might bring to the party. The noob ships are likely the standard issue beginner ships and unlikely to harm a reasonably tanked BC. Sentry drones, or drones from a domi with some drone modules might also be a workable pest control solution. Sniper Ferox with some painters. Other races ships with range bonuses (none come to mind, but I fly Caldari and don't know the other races well) might also work. If more PVP quality ships show up, head for the shield and take over the guns. If they are over 150km, setup some bookmarks in their area, and then back at (or just beyond the other side of) your tower. Warp into the noobs, kill some and warp away if needed. Make a supply run and put extra ammo on site. Later reload (not resupply) runs won't need to have the ammo with them (fly a combat ship over instead of an indy) but will need reasonable sized holds to get the ammo from storage out to the guns. Take GSC and anchor them inside the shield, but closer to the gun positions... There are alternatives, but unfortunately these all require some level of interaction with your time and materials wasted to defend against toons hiding in the noob corps. They don't noob ship spam when there are people at the pos...
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:29:00 - [14] You can always set the aggression flag, makes them get in range, then you can anchor some warp disruptors and just hold them there forever. Just turn off the aggression flag if you want ever repair the shields :) _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony QUANT is rebuilding, EVE-Mail me for recruitment info. Item Database
Dear Abby	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Katarlia Simov I think its a legitimate tactic, but not exactly the wisest one. I mean ammo isn't really expensive. At best this kind of attack will be an inconvenience. Well it is a legitimate tactic if they are using ships they paid for - were they using free noob ships that would be an exploit. As long as they have something at risk and are not using a flaw in game it is all good, also you might want to track POS ammo since it has been disappearing and is a known issue it may not be someone draining your guns.
MarieFrance Tessier	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Dear Abby Originally by: Katarlia Simov I think its a legitimate tactic, but not exactly the wisest one. I mean ammo isn't really expensive. At best this kind of attack will be an inconvenience. Well it is a legitimate tactic if they are using ships they paid for - were they using free noob ships that would be an exploit. As long as they have something at risk and are not using a flaw in game it is all good, also you might want to track POS ammo since it has been disappearing and is a known issue it may not be someone draining your guns. But they are risking one ship and a DCI! :D
FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Dear Abby Originally by: Katarlia Simov I think its a legitimate tactic, but not exactly the wisest one. I mean ammo isn't really expensive. At best this kind of attack will be an inconvenience. Well it is a legitimate tactic if they are using ships they paid for - were they using free noob ships that would be an exploit. As long as they have something at risk and are not using a flaw in game it is all good, also you might want to track POS ammo since it has been disappearing and is a known issue it may not be someone draining your guns. Its no bug, I have tons of noob ship kills from the pos. CCP would you please give some input here?
Mortifiyr	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:30:00 - [18] ahhh, wouldn't it be great if we found out the newb ships were not the same people over and over again, then suddenly you got attacked by 1,000 newb ships. Sorry FDIC, I just couldn't stop thinking about that.
Asarah Taurus Quantum Industrial Mining Taurus Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2009.05.02 00:26:00 - [19] Probably not a 'sploit, but if you have to resort to this kind of tactic, are you really gonna be able to field the firepower to actually bring down the tower? _________________________________________________________
FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.02 04:48:00 - [20] Edited by: FDIC Agent on 02/05/2009 04:49:26 Welp, they did hours of noob ships and rane the large and medium guns out of ammo, brought in some ships and incaped the large pos. Thanks CCP. I think I will wait for the POS revamp (whenever that happens in the next 10 years) before I anchor another one. I highly recommend everyone useing this tactic on all pos's from now on. Why risk ships when you can risk nothing.

JonShannow Caldari Regante	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:27:00 - [21] Did you petition it, did you even try putting up laser batteries ?
FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:43:00 - [22] Originally by: JonShannow Did you petition it, did you even try putting up laser batteries ? I petitioned it but no reply from CCP yet. Laser batteries were put up, but when it is a limitless supply of noob ships and when they are in groups there is really no hope. I even set the pos up where it would not shoot unless they had negative standings. But all they would do is warp in close, shoot a module then warp off, warp back in at range out of the guns that can track them. Wonder when CCP is going to revamp the POS part of the game already...
JonShannow Caldari Regante	Posted - 2009.05.02 09:00:00 - [23] I would keep up the petitions, in the mean time, fit lots of lasers, maybe even swap the tower for an amarr, assuming its not one ? I take it this is happening in low sec or the alts would getting concorded due to sec loss.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.05.02 09:42:00 - [24] Originally by: FDIC Agent Edited by: FDIC Agent on 02/05/2009 04:49:26 Welp, they did hours of noob ships and rane the large and medium guns out of ammo, brought in some ships and incaped the large pos. Thanks CCP. I think I will wait for the POS revamp (whenever that happens in the next 10 years) before I anchor another one. I highly recommend everyone useing this tactic on all pos's from now on. Why risk ships when you can risk nothing. Continuous shooting of a POS battery should take at least a few days to empty. Given that the ships will die rather quickly, it should take weeks to empty a POS filled properly. 'out of range' of guns that can track them, is not possible, they should be able to kill a n00b ship anywhere on grid. I've successfully killed ships 3,000km away using POS guns. They only 'thought' they would be out of range.
Dear Abby	Posted - 2009.05.02 10:05:00 - [25] old forum thread on this topic linky
FDIC Agent	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Dear Abby old forum thread on this topic linky Well it sortive talkes about noob ships for a bit. But I want to know if using alts w/ noob ships to cause pos's to run out of ammo is a legitimate game tactic or if it is considered griefing/exploit. Oh and it was a deathstar pos in low sec, copied it from a PL pos guarding a Dispo moon in low sec. I mean when dozens of noob ships on alts swarm your tower and when ammo from the large guns and medium guns run out and like magic the alts log out and the bs gang logs in and they claim its just a coincidence that they happen to be striking the tower at the same time noob ships attacked moments before... So what kind of guns shoot non-stop without running out of ammo for days on end do you speak of? And I already tried anchoring lasor batteries all over it and that didn't kill the noob ships fast enough before the rest of the guns started shooting them. The system is just broken severly.
Kalpaks II	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:07:00 - [27] Originally by: FDIC Agent Originally by: Dear Abby old forum thread on this topic linky Well it sortive talkes about noob ships for a bit. But I want to know if using alts w/ noob ships to cause pos's to run out of ammo is a legitimate game tactic or if it is considered griefing/exploit. Oh and it was a deathstar pos in low sec, copied it from a PL pos guarding a Dispo moon in low sec. I mean when dozens of noob ships on alts swarm your tower and when ammo from the large guns and medium guns run out and like magic the alts log out and the bs gang logs in and they claim its just a coincidence that they happen to be striking the tower at the same time noob ships attacked moments before... So what kind of guns shoot non-stop without running out of ammo for days on end do you speak of? And I already tried anchoring lasor batteries all over it and that didn't kill the noob ships fast enough before the rest of the guns started shooting them. The system is just broken severly. This is not an exploit! End of story!
Power Sauce Kenzzoku	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:36:00 - [28] There is actually a previous case where a player was told to stop using noob ships to run a pos out of ammo. He was sacrificing noob ships constantly. If they were not being hit that is a tracking/pos configuration issue and not an exploit. However, taking zero risk with free sacrificial noob ships is an exploit. File a petition under exploits. Negative or no response then request that the petition be escalated.
Marlona Sky Astroglide X The Foray Project	Posted - 2009.05.02 15:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Power Sauce There is actually a previous case where a player was told to stop using noob ships to run a pos out of ammo. He was sacrificing noob ships constantly. If they were not being hit that is a tracking/pos configuration issue and not an exploit. However, taking zero risk with free sacrificial noob ships is an exploit. File a petition under exploits. Negative or no response then request that the petition be escalated. Wow, thought we were the only one having to deal with alts in starter corps using noob ships to bleed pos ammo. Except when we set our pos to only shoot based on standings lower than 0.0 or aggression, they soon realized that the pos would not shoot them unless the noob alts shot back. Sooo, they had a bunch of carriers sit on the station in system, assign the fighters to the alts and had the alts take out all the stuff that the fighters could hit. Pretty much the neuts, large guns, disruptors, webs, stuff like that. All in total safety. Then when there was nothing left but the little crap to shoot, they brought in the dreads. I was under the impression that you could not do this with fighters as of a long time ago but I guess so. Now if this is not an exploit of alts in starter corps w/ starter ships... Then I suggest that this tactic be used in all low sec POS seiges. And yes, the petition is in.
ingenting 20th Legion	Posted - 2009.05.03 12:14:00 - [30] Originally by: FDIC Agent Edited by: FDIC Agent on 02/05/2009 04:49:26 Welp, they did hours of noob ships and rane the large and medium guns out of ammo, brought in some ships and incaped the large pos. Thanks CCP. I think I will wait for the POS revamp (whenever that happens in the next 10 years) before I anchor another one. I highly recommend everyone useing this tactic on all pos's from now on. Why risk ships when you can risk nothing. your own damn fault for not getting more ammo, noob. stop whining _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."



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