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Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:55:00 - [31] Okay, so religion is a scam. Any other news?
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:56:00 - [32]
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:58:00 - [33] oops, am I allowed to post such large images? or should I make it a link?
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Elora Danzik Originally by: Seb Balaak My background is in economics by the way, and I can tell you that you're all being scammed in the real world right now with all that economic crisis bull**. You don't wanna believe me? Go right ahead and keep getting robbed, your choice. Hmmm. Well I have a masters in economics. And the crisis is...like a hollywood movie. Elements of truth, blown outta proportion. I didn't look at your links and I won't. There have been many conspiracy theories and I have read about them. The simple fact is people are greedy and as long as we live in a system were there is scarcity. There will always be rich and poor and the rich will always get richer. But all conspiracy are doomed to fail be people are greedy. Most simply self destruct because of the egos involved. AIG BofA CITI, and Goldman Sachs should have been allowed to fail. The problem is we now are bailing them out. Forced through by the Bush amin. Continued by Obama admin. Geitner is a protgee of the guy who ran CITI into the ground. So my question is, what did you expect. Those with power will do anything to hold on to it until it is forcible wrest from them. A move away from a debt based(scarcity) economy to one more resourced oriented would help as it would help to mitigate the extremes of wealth and poverty. To do this take a change in attitudes. As to the bull of the economic crisis. Tell that to someone who lost their job, and then their house. Tell that to my 64 yr old friend whose a 20 yrs employee of BofA and watch her 401k evaporate it melted. The economics crisis is real. Investigate the reasons for the economic crisis and you will find out it was all planned. In that manner it is bull**, that's what I meant, the reasons they put forth are only in part true, but the driving force behind everything that's happening, including the economic crisis is explained further in the videos. If you have the guts to question your reality... ;)
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:13:00 - [35] Wow. Who ever this David Icke guy is sure is a moron. Freedom is our eternal right and not something to be handed down by a guy in a suit? I'm sorry what? We have freedom. In fact we have so much freedom we allow morons like David Icke going around saying stupid things like if you grow up all your life being told that 2+2=5 then you'll think it's 5. That doesn't make any god damn sense because then what is 2+3? 5 as well! Well that can't both be 5 can they? It's people like this that make society dumber as a whole. Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:18:00 - [36] All of these people say nothing. They're words that mean nothing. They talk to hear they're own voice and don't point to any facts what so ever. So far these video's have consisted of spooky music, shocking imaginary, words that mean basically nothing, and vague innuendo to the fact that there are people that we don't know that control the government. Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Now THAT is the biggest scam in history. Its a trap to keep the thread going. If there's one thing we learned from Shining its that Tin hatters like you have already made up your mind and nothing we throw at you will convince you otherwise. The only response we'll get is insults and being called sheep. 2nd and 3rd prizes (and probably more) will go to those who will not be able to convince me but present a very good case with good arguments. I will just choose from the cases presented. Couple of billions for 2nd prize and 1B for 3rd prize? Something like that?
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:27:00 - [38] Ok here's how I know that all of this is BS. Conspiritus - The Satanic Illuminati Conspiracy (Part 1) 3:13 seconds in someone claims that George Bush is EMPOWERED by Satan. Can I have my money? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:31:00 - [39] Edited by: Seb Balaak on 01/05/2009 21:31:02 Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 21:22:22 All of these people say nothing. They're words that mean nothing. They talk to hear they're own voice and don't point to any facts what so ever. So far these video's have consisted of spooky music, shocking imaginary, words that mean basically nothing, and vague innuendo to the fact that there are people that we don't know that control the government. EDIT: WOW another movie just claimed that he figured out that the all knowing eye pyramid on the dollar bill is actually representative of Satan's Eye. His source for this? A tarot card book. Wow. This guy really did his research... You could of course investigate their claims, go to their websites to see their proof, find out the rest of the story behind their claims, or just continue watching ALL 119 videos and then do the former. Allthough, at an early stage in the process of removing the effects of all the brainwashing, realizing what you are up against, can help you see misdirections. However, I still recommend watching it at least twice and to make notes so it's easier to connect all the dots from the various sources and be able to recognize and discard any misinformation.
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Seb Balaak Edited by: Seb Balaak on 01/05/2009 21:31:02 Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 21:22:22 All of these people say nothing. They're words that mean nothing. They talk to hear they're own voice and don't point to any facts what so ever. So far these video's have consisted of spooky music, shocking imaginary, words that mean basically nothing, and vague innuendo to the fact that there are people that we don't know that control the government. EDIT: WOW another movie just claimed that he figured out that the all knowing eye pyramid on the dollar bill is actually representative of Satan's Eye. His source for this? A tarot card book. Wow. This guy really did his research... You could of course investigate their claims, go to their websites to see their proof, find out the rest of the story behind their claims, or just continue watching ALL 119 videos and then do the former. Allthough, at an early stage in the process of removing the effects of all the brainwashing, realizing what you are up against, can help you see misdirections. However, I still recommend watching it at least twice and to make notes so it's easier to connect all the dots from the various sources and be able to recognize and discard any misinformation. Dude they just made the claim that the PENTAGON is some how related to Satan and conspiracy's because of it's shape. I looked it up and here's why it's shaped that way: "The Pentagon shape of the building was a result of the shape of Arlington Farms, which was the site originally chosen, however President Roosevelt ended up selecting the Hoover Airport site, as he did not want the new building to obstruct the view of Washington, D.C. from Arlington Cemetery. But, the building retained its pentagonal shape because a major redesign at that stage would have been costly and because Roosevelt liked the design. Freed of the constraints of the asymmetric Arlington Farms site, however, it was modified into a regular pentagon." Why bother continuing to watch them? I don't know I guess I just like being surprised by the stupidity of people. And the worse part is these are GROWN MEN. These aren't kids. These are grown men that are complete wack jobs. Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:37:00 - [41] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Ok here's how I know that all of this is BS. Conspiritus - The Satanic Illuminati Conspiracy (Part 1) 3:13 seconds in someone claims that George Bush is EMPOWERED by Satan. Can I have my money? Maybe you should start with endgame, video 78 and onwards, that's somewhat lighter material, not much information about the Satanic link. But very well known facts in the economic world.
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Seb Balaak Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Ok here's how I know that all of this is BS. Conspiritus - The Satanic Illuminati Conspiracy (Part 1) 3:13 seconds in someone claims that George Bush is EMPOWERED by Satan. Can I have my money? Maybe you should start with endgame, video 78 and onwards, that's somewhat lighter material, not much information about the Satanic link. But very well known facts in the economic world. He claimed he was EMPOWERED by SATAN. Do you not understand the ridiculousness of that claim? Claiming any sort of demonic or divinity in a statement about conspiracy theory's automatically negates your entire argument. I can likewise say now, with exactly as much authority, that the giant Pasta Monster in the sky makes it impossible for any conspiracy theory's to take place. Can I have my money now? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:48:00 - [43] Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 21:52:45 They just claimed that Illuminati comes from the word Lucifer. NO IT DOESN'T. It comes from the Latin word illuminatus which means enlightened. God I hate stupid people. EDIT: Wow they just showed a really sinister company called Lucent Technology. And used it as proof that it was inspired by the word Lucifer. Lucent is Latin for shine. God I hate stupid people. Can I have my money now? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:52:00 - [44] Look, I'll tell you what I told shining: I'm sure there's anywhere from some to lots of truth to these conspiracies, but tinfoil hatting yourself and running around in the streets of the internet shouting "DOOM IS COMING, REPENT!!!" isn't really going to help things, and if all of this is 100% true then telling people on an internet forum about these conspiracies won't do a thing, because the people with the power to combat it would already be aware and doing just that. I listen to some Coast to Coast and there have been some crazy people George and Art have on the show, but even they sound more convincing than a list of Youtube presentations on an internet forum. Atlantis and ancient civilizations? You bet. Military and government bodies performing clandestine experiments on people? Pass me the coolaid. Now this is the part where I comment on your videos, but I haven't even watched them and you haven't said what exactly it's about. Jehovah's Witnesses? I don't think they're any more frightening than the Mormons or Scientologists, less so actually because at least I knew a good-looking chick in high school that was a JW. Originally by: Xen Gin Indeed, upgrading an MS OS is like taking a **** into a cake mixture, then complaining that it doesn't taste good when it's all done.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:05:00 - [45] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow This thread is now about cute animals that will make your head explode. DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWBANG ! -------- Ideas for: Mining
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:11:00 - [46] Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 22:12:23 Where do they get these idea's? I'm watching Endgame as you suggested and they say that some time in the near future that countries will be a thing of the past and we'll be put into prison like city's and blah blah blah go read 1984 for further details. Where the hell do they get this crap? They have absolutly no proof to back up any of what they say. It's like the Bible. They say it's true because I said it. They have no hard evidence what so ever. And the very little hearsay they provide is all easily dismissible by looking up the information yourself. Can I have my money now? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:17:00 - [47] By the way, if you call me a liar or a nutcase, then you are also calling JFK a liar, as well as many other politicians who have tried to speak out against what's going on and were killed or discredited/slandered for it. Some of them are included in the endgame documentary as well as some other videos.
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:36:00 - [48] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 22:12:23 Where do they get these idea's? I'm watching Endgame as you suggested and they say that some time in the near future that countries will be a thing of the past and we'll be put into prison like city's and blah blah blah go read 1984 for further details. Where the hell do they get this crap? They have absolutly no proof to back up any of what they say. It's like the Bible. They say it's true because I said it. They have no hard evidence what so ever. And the very little hearsay they provide is all easily dismissible by looking up the information yourself. Can I have my money now? It's better to concentrate on the historical data and verify that, then to occupy your mind too much with those wild claims. The video is in there for the summing up of some historical data.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Seb Balaak I also offer a 30B isk reward for those who can convince me with some good arguments and factual evidence that I'm wrong. Fine. Deal. If this is in fact a legitimate offer and not a scam, please arrange for the ISK to be held by a neutral third party (I suggest Chribba, as he is quite trustworthy), and then post the following things in public: 1) A specific list of your claims, complete with the proof you are claiming to support them. 2) A specific explanation of how your standard of "good arguments" will be judged. 3) Exactly how many of your claims need to be disproved before you concede defeat. Note that if you are going to say "all of them", I expect not only the specific list as mentioned in the first point, but no further claims will be accepted once the challenge starts (IOW, you are not allowed to simply continue inventing new claims just to avoid paying me). Quote: But I expect you to watch first what is being presented in totallity, cause these videos were not produced by me and some contain misinformation. This is however corrected in other videos. So watch them carefully, connect the dots, so when you present your case, I don't have to point out which videos already provide the answers to your arguments. Translation: some of this stuff is bull**, but I'm not going to tell you what, otherwise I would lose the ability to say "I know that's wrong, THIS video is right" and avoid paying out the prize. Translation: I'm not going to post a clear argument that you could actually refute, because then I might have to pay that 30 billion ISK. Instead, you are required to figure out for yourself what my argument is and do all of my work for me. How about instead, you post a specific list, in writing, of which claims you agree with and provide supporting evidence for them. Quote:** Any case or arguments presented before 11 may 2009 will be rejected (cause it's not possible to think it all over and connect all the dots before that I estimate). IOW, hopefully by this arbitrary date (which has nothing to do with the actual time required to produce a counter-argument) everyone will have forgotten my challenge, but maybe people will watch some of my videos before they do. Sorry, but your challenge looks like nothing more than a bad bluff. It's painfully obvious that you have no intention of actually paying out 30 billion ISK, and that you are going to rig the rules of the challenge in such a way that it is impossible to win. Feel free to prove me wrong by posting the things requested above. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Seb Balaak Also trying to disprove anything without knowledge of the entire contents of what is being presented, as well as finding your own background information, as well as not presenting any factual evidence to disprove any of it, is again an act of someone who has been programmed to shut off his brain and refuse to investigate further the moment he comes in contact with things regarding this conspiracy. And just like I predicted, you continue to hide behind your wall of youtube videos. All you have to do is refuse to listen to anyone who hasn't watched every single video, and when everyone inevitably refuses to waste that much time just for a chance to argue with you, you can go on endlessly about how "YOU HAVEN"T DISPROVEN ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". Originally by: Seb Balaak There's a huge amount of sources of information out there IF you care to investigate further then just wikipedia and youtube. Funny how if the information is out there, you can only post youtube videos and a vague reference to wikipedia. If these reputable sources actually exist, how about you post them? Preferably in text form, not this incredibly rude video nonsense. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Seb Balaak Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 19:31:02 Lol there are actually 119 video's. Wow... Meh I'll watch a few because I'm hung over and bored but I want you to know that the moment I read the word "Illuminati" in the context that you used it I fully realized that this was a joke. Or you are an idiot. Either way it made for the lols You have been trained since birth to think that, programmed. Investigate! Find out the truth why the movie "the matrix" was REALLY made. Or other similar movies. So who's really programmed from birth? People who don't agree with you or illuminati jehovah witness'? The bible isn't a good example of the "truth". good troll btw, its pretty funny
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Seb Balaak Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 01/05/2009 22:12:23 Where do they get these idea's? I'm watching Endgame as you suggested and they say that some time in the near future that countries will be a thing of the past and we'll be put into prison like city's and blah blah blah go read 1984 for further details. Where the hell do they get this crap? They have absolutly no proof to back up any of what they say. It's like the Bible. They say it's true because I said it. They have no hard evidence what so ever. And the very little hearsay they provide is all easily dismissible by looking up the information yourself. Can I have my money now? It's better to concentrate on the historical data and verify that, then to occupy your mind too much with those wild claims. The video is in there for the summing up of some historical data. Ok so all of your video's either deal in the absurd like demonic and angelic forces or are inaccurate. How are we supposed to convince you that these things don't exist if you yourself can not prove they exist and yet you still believe in them? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:52:00 - [53] Rather than soiling your mind with conspiracy theories, I think it's much more constructive to consider the underlying truth of things - the fact that there is nothing separating yourself from the low-vibration energy around you, and that your sense of self is nothing but a ghost in a bioelectrical machine. Let go of the tangible mass of your mind, it is only an illusion. -----
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Seb Balaak I also offer a 30B isk reward for those who can convince me with some good arguments and factual evidence that I'm wrong. But I expect you to watch first what is being presented in totallity, cause these videos were not produced by me and some contain misinformation. This is however corrected in other videos. So watch them carefully, connect the dots, so when you present your case, I don't have to point out which videos already provide the answers to your arguments. I'll see if I can come up with some appropiate second and third prizes, since I don't need the ISK anymore now anyway (total assets 40B or so). So who wants my stuff? Any case or arguments presented before 11 may 2009 will be rejected (cause it's not possible to think it all over and connect all the dots before that I estimate). You can reply to me ingame and I will give my mailadress after 11 may ingame. I'll have a look if I can get a screenshot of my wallet on here. I can prove that anyone can make bull**** claims on internet videos. Pastafarian
Seb Balaak	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:57:00 - [55] I've included a video about skull and bones at position 5 and it also mentions who are confirmed members (Bush, Kerry and many others). In one of the other videos you can see Bush admitting on tv that he's a member. In another video (which is not in my playlist) uou can see Kerry admitting it as well.
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.01 22:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Rather than soiling your mind with conspiracy theories, I think it's much more constructive to consider the underlying truth of things - the fact that there is nothing separating yourself from the low-vibration energy around you, and that your sense of self is nothing but a ghost in a bioelectrical machine. Let go of the tangible mass of your mind, it is only an illusion. Hehe yeah that is fun. Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.01 23:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Seb Balaak oops, am I allowed to post such large images? or should I make it a link? No images allowed at all normally, except relatively small ones in the first post of a thread in specific forum subsections. Small images here and there are TOLERATED within some reasonable limits, but not encouraged. Images huge like that, so big they actually break the forum format... very, very bad. So, yes, you should make it a link. EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.05.01 23:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Seb Balaak I've included a video about skull and bones at position 5 and it also mentions who are confirmed members (Bush, Kerry and many others). In one of the other videos you can see Bush admitting on tv that he's a member. In another video (which is not in my playlist) uou can see Kerry admitting it as well. Still waiting for your reply to my previous post. Continuing to ignore it will be taken as a concession that your 30 billion ISK "challenge" is nothing more than a scam. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.01 23:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Seb Balaak I would expect nothing less, but I just hope I can get a few of you people out of that illusion the establishment has created for you all. So what exactly IS that illusion and who exactly is this "establishment" supposed to be ? You want to say that the governments all across the globe are chock-full of corrupt, power-seeking incompetent bastards that would sell their mother into slavery and turn their grandparents into Soylent Green for some extra cash to buy a bigger boat or other somesuch nonsense ? And that they're not really in control of anything, but instead whoever has the money actually controls everything from behind the scenes via more or less discreet and/or secretive "contributions" ? Or that the people with money couldn't give a rat's posterior about most of the world's population ? Or that those people aren't necessarily the brightest people in the world either ? Heck, I'd be more surprised if you told me the sky is blue and the water is wet. But other than wide-spread corruption and stupidity, you'd be really, REALLY hard-pressed to actually prove anything else. And besides, what difference does it matter ? Screwed by stupidity, screwed by greed, screwed by incompetence, screwed by malice... isn't all in the end just "getting screwed" anyway ? EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.01 23:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Seb Balaak I would expect nothing less, but I just hope I can get a few of you people out of that illusion the establishment has created for you all. So what exactly IS that illusion and who exactly is this "establishment" supposed to be ? You want to say that the governments all across the globe are chock-full of corrupt, power-seeking incompetent bastards that would sell their mother into slavery and turn their grandparents into Soylent Green for some extra cash to buy a bigger boat or other somesuch nonsense ? And that they're not really in control of anything, but instead whoever has the money actually controls everything from behind the scenes via more or less discreet and/or secretive "contributions" ? Or that the people with money couldn't give a rat's posterior about most of the world's population ? Or that those people aren't necessarily the brightest people in the world either ? Heck, I'd be more surprised if you told me the sky is blue and the water is wet. But other than wide-spread corruption and stupidity, you'd be really, REALLY hard-pressed to actually prove anything else. And besides, what difference does it matter ? Screwed by stupidity, screwed by greed, screwed by incompetence, screwed by malice... isn't all in the end just "getting screwed" anyway ? I will call it, but I do not expect it to be recognized /thread Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=

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