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Gouldan Harbinger
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:48:00 -
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i've been looking into the idea of running an unrefined dysporite reaction to try cutting down the huge expence of buying it from the market (were not big enough to own a moon of our own).
i'm wondering if its really worth the effort to run these reactions. i'm looking to probably run 2 or 3 simple reactors at a time which means i'll need 200 - 300 units of each moon min in order to make 30 units of dysporite per hour. which means it'll take 4 hours before i have enough mins to run one cycle of the complex reaction.
which means less income per hour and possibly more expenses as i'd have to buy tripple the ammount of raw moon mins per hour to sustain it.
is it really worth it to run these reactions?
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brinelan
Caldari
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:55:00 -
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You would have to run the math to see if it is worth it. Of course, if youre bothering to make all this just to not spend as much on the market presumably so you can make something t2, why not just sell the end item since it will probably be worth more then whatever t2 item your making is.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:31:00 -
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100 dysprosium + 100 mercury + 1 hour of fuel -> 200 dysporite
2000 cadmium + 100 mercury + 20 hours of fuel -> 200 dysporite (but only also with perfect refine at station)
Long story short, 20 cadmium replaces 1 dysprosium and you need 20 times more... ahem... time to get the same end product compared to just using dysprosium.
Break-even IF YOU CONSIDER YOUR TIME COMPLETELY WORTHLESS (which you shouldn't) would be at
1 cadmium = 0.05 dysprosium + 0.0095 hours of fuel
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Princess Misha
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.03 15:03:00 -
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A large tower with 2 unrefined ferroluid reactors (and max defence) cost about 0.2m per hour to run.
2reactors*(100 Cd + 5 Hf) + 1 hr fuel = 20 ferrofluid (assuming perfect refine)
2(100*7200 isks + 5*1500 isks) + 200,000 isks = 1,655,000 isks = 20 ferrofluid
1 ferrofluid costs 82,750 isks to transmutate...
1 ferrofluid sell for 95,000 in Jita
Profit per hr is 12,250
Profit per 30 days is 8.8m...
And guess what Ferrofluid is amongst the top 3 to transmutate...
ALCHEMY IS A JOKE!!!
P.S: Rough calculation...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.03 17:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Princess Misha
ALCHEMY IS A JOKE
Just like invention, you can't really blame anybody except the people that actually do alchemy.
If alchemy was more efficient, you still wouldn't make a lot more profit, since the "my time is worthless, and POSes cost nothing, but alchemy sounds way cool" crowd will eat your profit margin alive.
Doing non-alchemy reactions usually yields more profit due to the fact "it's not cool", so idiots don't bother.
Exactly like invention, many items with T2 BPOs actually can make decent profit, while items WITHOUT BPOs usually barely break even.
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Minamel
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.04 08:32:00 -
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Two of the 6 unrefined reactions will give after substraction of all costs abbout 50 Mil of profit per large tower (2 med reactors)
Two of them give abbout 30 Mil a week and the last two end up with a loss of 60-80 mil.
So it depends wich of the reactions you choose its the same for all other reactions a lot of simple and advanced reactions just cant be done with any profit
after all so you have constantly to check the prices of all raw,intermediate und advanced materials and find out for yourself wich reactions ends up in profit at a certain time and wich dosnt.
The math is easy make a spreadsheet and see for yourself.
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Kaahles
E3 Corporation
New EVE Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.04 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Misha
Edited by: Princess Misha on 03/05/2009 15:13:51
ALCHEMY IS A JOKE!!!
P.S: Rough calculation...
Problem here is... I just did some rough calculations, too. Result was: Ferrofluid with the Alchemy stuff does more profit than producing ferrofluid directly by using dysprosium. I know it's stupid but the prices are just sick right now.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.04 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaahles
Problem here is... I just did some rough calculations, too. Result was: Ferrofluid with the Alchemy stuff does more profit than producing ferrofluid directly by using dysprosium. I know it's stupid but the prices are just sick right now.
Now, look at those calculations again... is that per tower per time unit or just per unit of product ? 
Because, you know, you can get 20 times more product on a tower using dysprosium than on a tower using cadmium in the same amount of time.
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Minamel
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.04 09:29:00 -
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To Produce 1x Dysporite (1 Med reaction) directly brings you 300 Mil of Profit a Week.
Unfortunatly you have to buy and transport raw material for 3,1 Bil every week what is a big disadvantage in cases of safety.
Produce 1x Dysporite with Alchemy brings you abbout 25 Mil of Profit a week. But the raw material will cost you abbout 170 Mil only.
Calculation was done with folowing prices taken yesterday in Jita:
Dysporite 105.000
dysprosium 188.000
mercury 2.400
Cadmium 7.000
Poscost 43 mil a large Tower/Week so 21,5 mil for a simple Reaction.
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