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Lucas Edge
Caldari
Infraction
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Posted - 2009.05.04 12:08:00 -
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I'm a little confused about the roles of Caldari medium missiles...
For ALL guns and even smaller and larger missile types, the higher damage lower range weapons require less grid than lower damage higher range weapons. To me, this is because lower range weapons require the ship to get in the middle of the fight and within range of most other weapons so it needs more of a tank as well (hence the lower grid to leave room for a tank). High range weapons usually lack the need for a tank unless of course they are attacked by another high range weapon.
Arties require more grid than Autocannons
Rails require more grid than Blasters
Beams require more grid than Pulse lasers
The above are examples of the higher RANGE weapon requiring more grid than the higher damage weapon. The above is not only true for medium weapons but is also true for small and large.
Now consider the Caldari medium weapon for cruisers or battlecruisers û The Heavy Assault Missile Launcher and Heavy Missile Launcher. The HAM is short range high damage while the HML is long range lower damage. HOWEVER, for some reason the HAM is harder to fit than the HML. When compared to ALL other races including Caldari small and large missiles (rockets, standards, torps, cruises) the HAM and HML have a reverse fitting requirement.
In order for Caldari missile boats to fit a full rack of HAMs they need to practically sacrifice their entire tank if they fit Ballistic Control Systems in the lows. Of course we can fill the lows with 2 or 3 reactor control units but no other race needs to use fitting mods in order to fit their low range higher damage weapons. The HAM is the close range high damage weapon but canÆt really be used as such unless you know you wonÆt be shot at or are being remote repped.
Can someone explain the reasoning behind this? IÆm not trying to add yet another whine or balance thread but IÆm trying to understanding this a bit more.
Thanks
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Lucas Edge
Caldari
Infraction
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Posted - 2009.05.04 13:47:00 -
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Yeah I didn't mean to say that missiles are only for Caldari. I just meant that most caldari mid-level boats use missiles as the primary weapon. I understand that all races can use missiles in one way or another.
And I was incorrect when comparing HAMs and HMLs with cruise and torps. Torps which are the close'er' range high damage dealer are considerable harder to fit than cruise missiles. Also with standard missiles, there are the normal standards and the assault launchers which require more grid than normal standard launchers.
So HAMs requiring more grid than HMLs falls in line with the rest of the missiles which are Caldari's weapon of choice on most of their ships (besides ECM and hybrids).
I definitely DO NOT favor all races to be the same. I donÆt mind some races to be æseeminglyÆ overpowered and others underpowered. I like the diversity and I hate how everything is being æbalancedÆ right now. I agree that certain systems need tweaking but all thatÆs happening is NERF NERF NERF. With that said, I would like Caldari to remain different than the rest of the races but I would also like to see Caldari doing some nice damage while still having somewhat of a tank at close range. I guess I wouldnÆt even mind HAMs only having a 7-10km range on un-range-bonused ships if it means reducing the grid.
Whatever happens my question has been been answered so thanks.
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Lucas Edge
Caldari
Infraction
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Posted - 2009.05.04 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Tippia
[aldari is not a missile race. They're a missile/hybrid race just like the Gallente are a hybrid/drone race, just like Minmatar are a projectiles/missile/occasionaly-drone race, just like Amarr areà well, lazors. 
So Tippia... What exactly is your point in all of this? You've pointed out the known Caldari missile and hybrid boats? So now what? Are you trying to say that because Caldari might have an equal or lesser number of missile boats that missiles should not be discussed and/or HAMs vs HML are fine? Or are you saying that missiles suck so bad when compared to hybrids or other turrets that they aren't worth discussing?
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Lucas Edge
Caldari
Infraction
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Posted - 2009.05.04 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lucas Edge
So Tippia... What exactly is your point in all of this?
Read the line of arguments ù it should be pretty clear.
OP: I wonder about caldari missiles.
Me: Missiles aren't "caldari".
OP: I guess, but they're the weapon caldari use.
Me: No, caldari use hybrids as well (and actually, quite a lot of drones).
Any other interpretations are your own projection and incorrect interpretations.
You still fail at bringing any real relevance to the original post but succeed at bringing the discussion to a point of utter uselessness.
Caldari use missiles more than any other race û so what? Yes they still use hybrids and even dronesà again, so what? What does that have to do with HAMs vs HML? What is the point in making this topic move towards the fact that caldari like every other race, has a second or even third usable weapon type? Does that somehow aid in the comparison of HAMs and HML? I think it is you that is mis-interpreting the original post. Should I just randomly tell someone who might be discussing downfalls of Arties to talk about ACs or missiles instead?
Get past that I said missiles are a Caldari weapon. First of all itÆs not all that untrue and secondly, they do use missiles more than other races especially in cruisers or battlecruisers so stop getting your panties in a bunch.
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