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Gephron Nuir
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Posted - 2009.05.04 22:46:00 -
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I was wondering what the use of the visibility skill is. What difference does it make if the buy order was made remotely and reaches a system 10 jumps away vs. a buy order made from 10 jumps away but appearing locally?
I think I'm missing something.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.04 22:56:00 -
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Visibility is a convenience skill. It allows you to create buy orders with range at a remote station.
With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location. With visibility they can originate from a remote station. Imagine you want to setup a buy order to cover systems neighboring Jita, but you don't want to actually go to Jita. This can also be useful, if your non-trading time is spent doing things that are bad for your security rating.
Visibility in the Item Database.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2009.05.05 03:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Pang Grohl
Visibility is a convenience skill. It allows you to create buy orders with range at a remote station.
With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location. With visibility they can originate from a remote station. Imagine you want to setup a buy order to cover systems neighboring Jita, but you don't want to actually go to Jita. This can also be useful, if your non-trading time is spent doing things that are bad for your security rating.
Visibility in the Item Database.
What he said.
Lots of the trade skills have confusing descriptions unless you're already quite familiar with the way the system works... unfortunately that doesn't help lots of people.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/05/2009 14:11:23
Originally by: Pang Grohl
Visibility is a convenience skill. It allows you to create buy orders with range at a remote station.
With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location. With visibility they can originate from a remote station. Imagine you want to setup a buy order to cover systems neighboring Jita, but you don't want to actually go to Jita. This can also be useful, if your non-trading time is spent doing things that are bad for your security rating.
Visibility in the Item Database.
Pang Grohl you disappoint me.
You've crossed Visibility with Procurement. Maybe because Procurement is a prerequisite for Visibility? 
Procurement allows you to place a buy order at a station, without being docked there. Each level of procurement lets you place buy orders at stations further from where you are.
Visibility: skill at acquiring products remotely. Each level of skill increases your remote buy order range.
So to put it simple, Procurement allows you to place orders remotely and visibility grants range to the order stemming from that remote location.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Pang Grohl you disappoint me. Hexxx holds you in such high regards.
You've crossed Visibility with Procurement.
Actually he didn't. He's entirely correct, because he specified "ranged orders" in his post. Of course, that distinction might be lost to all but the most anal of readers 
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Dzil
Caldari
Second Quadrant Ice Division
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:06:00 -
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Procurement & visibility confuse many. I heard an analogy on this forum not long ago, and apologize for forgetting the poster at the time:
Procurement is how far you throw the grenade.
Visibility is how wide the explosion goes.
Buy orders placed in a station have a range, from in station only out to the entire region. Visibility lets you have that same functionality when you place a remote order using procurement. When is this useful? Precisely when you don't want to travel to the station from which you want to center the circle. I'll give an example:
Day 1: I set up a region wide order for some cheap item with no buy orders, maybe some crumby T1 ammo. I have marketing and am familiar enough with courier contracts to consolidate the huge net of assets I'm expecting to get from this order.
Day 2: things are proceeding nicely, but 8 jumps away near a mission hub another trader has created a 5 jump wide buy order for my item at a penny isk higher. I anticipate a pricing war will follow. I could either
A: Raise my region order to compete with his 5 jump order, or
B: Create a second order remotely, with a 5 jump range, which can compete only against the systems in competition. I'll continue to buy items in other systems at my original low regional price.
Make sense?
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/05/2009 16:21:32
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Pang Grohl you disappoint me. Hexxx holds you in such high regards.
You've crossed Visibility with Procurement.
Actually he didn't. He's entirely correct, because he specified "ranged orders" in his post. Of course, that distinction might be lost to all but the most anal of readers
Originally by: Pang Grohl
With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location. With visibility they can originate from a remote station.
Noooo, "your location" is not the most fortunate choice of words. And ranged orders could mean range set on orders not remote orders, there's a distinction to be made.
If you people want to help you must make that distinction.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Noooo, "your location" is not the most fortunate choice of words. And ranged orders could mean range set on orders not remote orders, there's a distinction to be made.
If you people want to help you must make that distinction.
Indeed "ranged orders" does mean "range set on orders" and not "remote orders".
As such the statement "With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location." is entirely correct.
The only way to have a range on orders ("ranged orders") with out visibility is to have them at your location.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/05/2009 16:32:39
Originally by: Pang Grohl
With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location. With visibility they can originate from a remote station.
International English, **********. Do you speak it? 
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:38:00 -
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Ok so he forgot to say that you'll also need Procurement for the second part. That does not mean that he has confused Visibility and Procurement (as you said) or that his description of Visibility is incorrect.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Ok so he forgot to say that you'll also need Procurement for the second part. That does not mean that he has confused Visibility and Procurement (as you said) or that his description of Visibility is incorrect.
I said crossed.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
I said crossed.
Sorry, I let my anality slip for a moment 
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.05 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/05/2009 17:03:50
Originally by: Estel Arador
Indeed "ranged orders" does mean "range set on orders" and not "remote orders".
As such the statement "With out visibility your ranged orders originate at your location." is entirely correct.
The only way to have a range on orders ("ranged orders") with out visibility is to have them at your location.
If by "ranged orders" you understood "range set on orders" and not "remote orders", then it is possible to have Procurement trained and place a remote order without range on it.
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Dr Silkworth
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:56:00 -
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I use it with a map to stay out of lowsec while crafting my pickup routes. I also limit my range on buys so that I don't set off wars with the big guys in the big hubs. Many seem to let me grab a piece of the action as long as I don't step on their main hub. I call it respect, they probably call me ant and in their awesome benevolence choose not to crush me.
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