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EndersGame
Amarr Chemical Dependency White Core
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:41:00 -
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I have been having an issue here in this sleeper instance in this class 5 now for the last sevral days and have discovered some important facts:
1.) Mag sites dont seem to despawn after 4 days as most sites usually do, it seems you have to successfully hack 1 can etc for the site to despawn itsself.
2.) You could dump agro before on your fighters and warp off if you came into a sleeper site and needed to leave etc.
My delimina and as a lesson to others:
Everyone is aware of the sleepless guardians that spawn upon capital ship re-entry into a sleeper site. Basicly if you warp into any sleeper area with a capital ship you get a swarm of guardians that will come and scramble you. If you attempt to use drones/fighters on them they get insta killed/vaporized.
So what happens if you accidently warp into a sleeper site as you indened to use another book mark you ask? Well if you have a good tank with dual capital reppers you surive the site indefintly especially if you have a cap stable setup but then lies the problem that you are webbed and can only go 8.1 meters per second.
So you try for a day to get yourself out.. watch a movie.. waiting for the carrier to go say 200 km away and stop getting targeted, but due to the way that sleepless guardians work, anywhere in grid that you arrive you instantly get a swarm of guardians that land right on you for a round of warp scrambling/webbing etc...
It will take me 43.777 hours to go off grid of the site, long story short is you have no choice but to leave the grid via this means as its current support policy not to assist in worm hole issues. Which seems pretty stupid to me, there are other MMO's with much larger customer basis that assist you for far less trival instances, but you cant get any support here?
I know the policy decesion was created prior to the worm hole era and where down time would despawn the agent encounter / issue but we are dealing now with a different situation created as a result of how the game mechanics work in worm hole systems.
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Miranda Reactor
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:46:00 -
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Where u at, ill come kill the rats for you
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Jenny5
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:50:00 -
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jesus, that's a long time spent slowboating it off grid, that really sucks i feel for you <3
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:55:00 -
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You brought this onto yourself, your responsibility to deal with it. If you don't want to slowboat around, kill you ship or better yet, get friends helping you out. It's not CCP's job to hold your hand. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:55:00 -
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will the rats not get despawned at DT? And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Tribe New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:06:00 -
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You're not stuck or anything, it's intended game mechanics. If you need to be somewhere else, all you need to do is self-destruct. Sucks, I know, but it is a way out.
New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
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EndersGame
Amarr Chemical Dependency White Core
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar You brought this onto yourself, your responsibility to deal with it. If you don't want to slowboat around, kill you ship or better yet, get friends helping you out. It's not CCP's job to hold your hand.
Yup accept full responsibility for it.
Just saying that perhaps for future casses due to worm hole space policy can be adjusted to allow for similiar stupid mistakes.
But Good news! I am finally out.. just took 2 days to do it.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:19:00 -
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stupid mistake is stupid, only but yourself is responsible,
nothign should be changed this is eve and all your mistakes are punishable
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 05/05/2009 23:28:26 Used to be that you could, upon logging in...logout again with a certain timing...such that when you logged in again, you would not end up at the original spot in space where you logged out....
Is this no longer the case?
Could have saved you ALOT of time....since rats dont pvp aggro you...you could simply logout when you first got stuck...in 1 min ship disappears (assuming you would survive for a minute with tank off, I do not know particulars) then you login, logout, login, and voila, you are in a random spot in space.
Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:32:00 -
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only problem though is that because it is pointed and he has aggro his ship wouldnt go away for 15 minutes ... TBH i think he fails for actually bringing a cap into this situation in the first place and no moaning about it being stuck........
for the lesson purposes i hope he stays trapped and has to either put up with it or loose his carrier... it harsh put will teach you not to do it again and save you many many more carriers :)
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Jer Bu
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jer Bu on 06/05/2009 02:58:46 You hope he stayed trapped to learn a lesson? Seriously?
Is it a hard fall from that high horse ya pompous loser?
And come on, "fail" stopped being amusing 2 years ago..
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.05.06 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Leon Caedo on 06/05/2009 03:15:37
Originally by: Armoured C only problem though is that because it is pointed and he has aggro his ship wouldnt go away for 15 minutes ... TBH i think he fails for actually bringing a cap into this situation in the first place and no moaning about it being stuck........
for the lesson purposes i hope he stays trapped and has to either put up with it or loose his carrier... it harsh put will teach you not to do it again and save you many many more carriers :)
You really can't spell 'lose'? Are you 12 years old?
Before you flame others, try not to be ignorant yourself.
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Max Queso
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Posted - 2009.05.06 07:30:00 -
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I'm not seeing any cause to call on customer service for help here. are you experiencing some sort of error?
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 08:23:00 -
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I think I read in some dev blog that the devs intended sleepers to be a ***** for capitals without support (as in you bring friends, not open a petition).
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Leon Caedo Edited by: Leon Caedo on 06/05/2009 03:15:37
Originally by: Armoured C only problem though is that because it is pointed and he has aggro his ship wouldnt go away for 15 minutes ... TBH i think he fails for actually bringing a cap into this situation in the first place and no moaning about it being stuck........
for the lesson purposes i hope he stays trapped and has to either put up with it or loose his carrier... it harsh put will teach you not to do it again and save you many many more carriers :)
You really can't spell 'lose'? Are you 12 years old?
Before you flame others, try not to be ignorant yourself.
I was not aware that this game was a spelling bee.. Well fun to have people flaming people who have English as perhaps third language learned.
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Kingnuts
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Leon Caedo Edited by: Leon Caedo on 06/05/2009 03:15:37
Originally by: Armoured C only problem though is that because it is pointed and he has aggro his ship wouldnt go away for 15 minutes ... TBH i think he fails for actually bringing a cap into this situation in the first place and no moaning about it being stuck........
for the lesson purposes i hope he stays trapped and has to either put up with it or loose his carrier... it harsh put will teach you not to do it again and save you many many more carriers :)
You really can't spell 'lose'? Are you 12 years old?
Before you flame others, try not to be ignorant yourself.
I was not aware that this game was a spelling bee.. Well fun to have people flaming people who have English as perhaps third language learned.
Sleeper - S l e e p u r
prize please
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:21:00 -
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glad you made it out.
i dont think this could have been an intended game design, to make people slowboat of grid for 40 hours. just one of those things that did not come up during testing.
maybe you should send it in as a bug report. cause frankly, if the cap is intended to die then there should be enough fire power from the sleepers to take it down. fighters get taken out is a fair call but to be pinned in such a fashion seems unneccessary. either have the sleepers kill the cap or let it go after a while if they cant kill it. thats what would happen in pvp aswell.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky you bring friends, not open a petition.
There seriously needs to be consequences for Missused Petitions, oh and Topic titles that have nothing todo with the Content of the post.
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ollobrains
Caldari State Inc. People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:24:00 -
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43 hours wow thats good isk-hour that some obsessive types in this game focus upon
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mira O'karr glad you made it out.
i dont think this could have been an intended game design, to make people slowboat of grid for 40 hours. just one of those things that did not come up during testing.
maybe you should send it in as a bug report. cause frankly, if the cap is intended to die then there should be enough fire power from the sleepers to take it down. fighters get taken out is a fair call but to be pinned in such a fashion seems unneccessary. either have the sleepers kill the cap or let it go after a while if they cant kill it. thats what would happen in pvp aswell.
Of course they do not intend him to slow boat out, this is a multiplayer game and they might be hoping the players play together, or find them selves in situations where they need help from other players (thus forcing human to human interaction)?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:34:00 -
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I don't see the problem.
Of course customer support is allowed in w-space — this was just not a CS issue. There were numerous solutions to the problem and the OP just chose the (by far) most tedious one. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Mira O'karr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Mira O'karr glad you made it out.
i dont think this could have been an intended game design, to make people slowboat of grid for 40 hours. just one of those things that did not come up during testing.
maybe you should send it in as a bug report. cause frankly, if the cap is intended to die then there should be enough fire power from the sleepers to take it down. fighters get taken out is a fair call but to be pinned in such a fashion seems unneccessary. either have the sleepers kill the cap or let it go after a while if they cant kill it. thats what would happen in pvp aswell.
Of course they do not intend him to slow boat out, this is a multiplayer game and they might be hoping the players play together, or find them selves in situations where they need help from other players (thus forcing human to human interaction)?
oh right, the mmo argument.
if there is one thing more annoying than game bugs its the fanboys jumping in to defend them as intended or l2p or this is an mmo.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.06 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Leon Caedo Edited by: Leon Caedo on 06/05/2009 03:15:37
Originally by: Armoured C only problem though is that because it is pointed and he has aggro his ship wouldnt go away for 15 minutes ... TBH i think he fails for actually bringing a cap into this situation in the first place and no moaning about it being stuck........
for the lesson purposes i hope he stays trapped and has to either put up with it or loose his carrier... it harsh put will teach you not to do it again and save you many many more carriers :)
You really can't spell 'lose'? Are you 12 years old?
Before you flame others, try not to be ignorant yourself.
I can spell a word for you. ****sucker
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mira O'karr if there is one thing more annoying than game bugs its the fanboys jumping in to defend them as intended or l2p or this is an mmo.
Really? The one thing that annoys me more than bugs, is having the petition que clogged up by Pilots expecting customer service to save their ass everytime theve loose a ship or finding something too hard.
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mira O''karr on 06/05/2009 10:09:12
Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Mira O'karr if there is one thing more annoying than game bugs its the fanboys jumping in to defend them as intended or l2p or this is an mmo.
Really? The one thing that annoys me more than bugs, is having the petition que clogged up by Pilots expecting customer service to save their ass everytime theve loose a ship or finding something too hard.
what would you know about the state of the ccp customer support queues. also look at the original post. it doesnt seem unreasonable to me to ask via the petition system if the behaviour of the rats was intend. for all he knew it may have not been.
edit: if anything the dude posted a summary of what happened to him for the benefit of the community and all some people can do is crap all over it.
nicely done..
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 06/05/2009 10:08:03
Originally by: Mira O'karr
oh right, the mmo argument.
if there is one thing more annoying than game bugs its the fanboys jumping in to defend them as intended or l2p or this is an mmo.
Game bugs? Where is the bug in this case? You want carriers to be solo pwnmobiles for W-Space? Or if the carrier cannot handle the heat then the Sleepers should stop shooting allowing the Carrier to get away? Or should the Sleepers just call in reinforcements when they need more DPS so stupid Carrier pilots will be killed every time they try to solopwn sleepers?
And btw, the MMO argument is a lot better than the fanboi argument.
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 06/05/2009 10:08:03
Originally by: Mira O'karr
oh right, the mmo argument.
if there is one thing more annoying than game bugs its the fanboys jumping in to defend them as intended or l2p or this is an mmo.
Game bugs? Where is the bug in this case? You want carriers to be solo pwnmobiles for W-Space? Or if the carrier cannot handle the heat then the Sleepers should stop shooting allowing the Carrier to get away? Or should the Sleepers just call in reinforcements when they need more DPS so stupid Carrier pilots will be killed every time they try to solopwn sleepers?
And btw, the MMO argument is a lot better than the fanboi argument.
dude, did you even read his original post. he did not complain about him having made a mistake. he was just suprised that after downtime the site did not let his ship leave. eventhough the sleepers could clearly not kill him.
where did it ever say in this thread carriers should be "solo pwnmobiles" (oh man the lingo /facepalm) and yes it is my opinion that if the sleepers want him dead they should call more reinforcements or otherwise let him go after a decent amount of time trying to crack his tank. i think there should be an option to "solopwn" (good god ) if the carrier pilot figures out a way to do it.
the OP made a mistake, admits to it. starts to wonder after still being tackle for days and asks ccp for advise. what a collosal mistake that seems to be. the op gets clarification on the issue and posts for the benefit of YOU!!! so you dont accidentally make the same mistake.
in the end he frees himself yet you keep giving him grief.
WTF
/end rage
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mira O'karr
It doesnt seem unreasonable to me to ask via the petition system if the behaviour of the rats was intend. for all he knew it may have not been.
edit: if anything the dude posted a summary of what happened to him for the benefit of the community and all some people can do is crap all over it.
nicely done..
OP petioned customer service to move his boat from an area that was too difficult.
Petiton was rejected becuase hes an idot.
OP posts in general discussions 'No customer support in wormholes', becuase Petition didnt go his way.
Now OP gets community feedback on his poor choice of Ship use/knowledge/Petition.
Originally by: Npc Corp troll what would you know about the state of the ccp customer support queues.
I know that there are long waiting ques, and those ques would be shorter if people like the OP stopped using them.
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mira O'karr
in the end he frees himself yet you keep giving him grief.
WTF
/end rage
The dude is asking for (complaining about the lack off) customer support for a non customer support issue.
Regarding the grief, I pointed out that according to dev blogs Carriers were not intended to be alone in W-Space and then I asked where this bug was that you mentioned.
I think the OP worked around the problem quite well, I just do not see why this should be a customer support issue.
And for my lingo, sorry, been around for a long time and I am slow when it comes to updating it and I blame Oveur for that particular addition to my dictionary.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mira O'karr edit: lol he didnt even petition i think.
Read the thread Title
btw mister 'I hate the Lingo', facepalm is a Meme, just like solopwnmobile. |
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