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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: vanBuskirk on 06/05/2009 11:03:35
Edited by: vanBuskirk on 06/05/2009 11:03:03
OK. I am trying to decide which of these ships I should buy; I am about equally good at flying either, should I buy one. This will be almost entirely for hauling; I don't anticipate running the Orca in a mining op and the Obelisk wouldn't be usable in such a job anyway.
I believe that the Orca is capable of carrying about 130k m3 of anything in the cargo hold and hangar bay, and about 400k m3 of ships in the maintenance bay. The Obelisk carries about 900k m3 of anything with my skills.
The info I don't have is about how good they each are to fly. Both are extremely slow to align and I believe the warp speed of the Obelisk is 0.3 AU/sec. They both handle like supertankers, but is the Orca any faster to turn - and what is its warp speed?
If one is thinking of transporting ships then both are about as good as each other for transport, relative to the cost - Obelisk is twice as big for twice the cost. For bulk ore or minerals of course the Obelisk is much better.
Can anyone who's flown both enlighten me, please?
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iPedo
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:57:00 -
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other then them being designed for 2 different things?
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:14:00 -
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 Originally by: iPedo
other then them being designed for 2 different things?
Well, I was asking about them in a hauling capacity. Of course, the Orca would be better in a mining op as the Obelisk is entirely useless. 
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iPedo
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:18:00 -
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if all your gunna do is hual...go obelisk....if u ever plan to participate in mining ops and ure hualing..or care to anyway.....think about an orca.....the warp speed on both is slow as hell...no need in pointing out exact differences....other than that, its up to you big boy
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Le Prospecteur
Gallente
Advance Naval Guard
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: iPedo
other then them being designed for 2 different things?
^ this.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:27:00 -
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Orca:
- tanks like a [person who makes your mommy happy]
- can be refitted for numerous purposes
- takes less cargo, but of a more varied kind
Obelisk
- doesn't acually tank, but rather just sits there…
- has one purpose: to carry stuff
- …but carries a lot of stuff
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:35:00 -
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Well you can fit warp core stabs and other modules to the Orca.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:37:00 -
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Also you forgot...
...you get 40k m^3 of "suicide-gank-for-profit-proof" cargo space on the Orca.
Corp hangar contents does not show up on scans and does not drop the containing loot when ship is destroyed.
Or, at least, if they haven't changed anything recently.
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Galthatar Arctook
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:59:00 -
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 It really depends what you'll be hauling , how far, how often and where through.
Having an orca and a Freighter (fenrir but near enough), I find that I use them both for hauling at times. If I'm moving to a new mission hub and want to carry a rigged combat ship, salvager hauler and some spare ammo etc, then no doubt the orca is the way to go. If all I'm doing is taking really big loads of stuff that isn't a rigged ship through high sec then I'll tend to go with the freighter. The orca is painful to navigate, the freighter is REALLY painful to navigate about.
I have both 'cause I do both sorts of work at various times and I mine with the orca. but the first part of the blurb should give you my thoughts
Galth
PS the orca can be fun when you fit a mwd and play billiards!
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.06 12:27:00 -
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The Orca is slower to align than a max skilled Fenrir (at least it was when I tested it on Sisi)... (At least with the lows loaded with Cargo Expanders)
However the ability to haul rigged ships & to use sensible containers to organise things is a useful factor.
The tank on an Orca barely matters, when faced with a proper suicide gank it won't last any better than the freighter... though the smaller cargo and using the corp hanger for themost valuable stuff will make it less likely that a profit can be drawn and therefore that the suicide gank would be attempted in the first place.
The Orca also looks cooler, not something important to everyone but it is to me :-)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Holland
The tank on an Orca barely matters, when faced with a proper suicide gank it won't last any better than the freighter...
Well… technically, it will last twice as long (since it's roughly twice as strong).
Whether that actually makes any difference is another matter. 
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 13:36:00 -
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As mentioned before it depends what you want to haul... they both fly like pigs (implants and training help a lil bit) and can haul alot of cargo... the freighter can haul more but the orca can haul rigged ships and can be used for other tasks such as mining or to support a fleet with links.
you can also get a fitted orca on contracts for around 500 mil... compared to the price of a freighter.
you can also carry ships in the hold for your own use in the orca... something to scout ahead, something faster to bring the goods to the orca instead of docking and undocking the orca at 10 different stations....
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:06:00 -
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I'd buy the Orca (I have). It's MUCH more versatile. It picks up cans from space, it can tractor in wrecks from 70 km away, it can fit modules and rigs, it can haul assembled ships, it can fly drones, etc., etc. Oh, and it's much cheaper. The Obelisk has only one purpose, and it does it well - to haul stuff from station to station.
So you need to ask yourself - how often will you REALLY need to haul more than 130km3 worth of stuff anyway? Unless you're a hard-core hauler, you'll be happy with the Cargo capacity of the Orca.
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2009.05.06 18:37:00 -
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The orca actually has a much higher warp-speed than a freighter, like 2.7 if I'm remembering right. But does take longer to align with max skills so it's a bit of a trade-off.
If you know you're going to be hauling more than an orca can carry regularly, then a freighter is probably what you need. If you're not, the orca is much more versatile and can still haul quite a bit.
It can run up to 3 ganglinks, they need not be mining. It can tractor cans and wrecks. You can equip it with a scanner and a cloak and make it a mobile base for WH exploration. It can lug around fitted ships up to BC in size. 40k m3 of cargo spaced that can't be scanned is nice, especially for hauling high-value stuff around.
And, don't forget looks. Orca looks way cooler than an obelisk.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.06 18:58:00 -
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I absolutely adore my Orca for just about anything hauling, mining, or logistics related.
The only thing is fails hard on is hauling ore itself, as an efficient gang can easily rake in a mil in m3 or more in just a few hours and when you're only hauling 180k3 m3 max with cans around at a time for what may be a +5 jump journey to the end station you need it at for refining, you're gonna be falling asleep at the keyboard for hours.
If you are for some reason doing constant hauling of +180k m3 in trade goods then obviously you need a freighter.
Question you need to ask yourself however, is if the activity you are going to need the Orca or Obelisk for will net you an income that will give you an even return in some reasonable amount of time on your investment.
If you are hauling for personal moving, just spend the 400-500mil for the fully rigged Orca (or less if you manufacture) as you're not going to be profiting from your use of it period so that's 400-500mil sunk out of your wallet for good.
If you are hauling for business, just spend the 800-900mil for the Obelisk (or less if you manufacture) as you are going to be profiting from every haul you make and eventually you will recoup the extra 400-500mil you invested in the Obelisk to save yourself an hour or two worth of work every time you logon and get busy.
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Cletus Snowman
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Posted - 2009.05.06 19:22:00 -
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I fly both. The Obelisk only gets used if the cargo is too big for the Orca, but on those occasions I'm glad to have it because making two runs in an Orca takes even longer than a freighter run in most cases.
Most of the versatility of the Orca has already been covered here: you can tank the snot out of it if you feel the need, you can fit istabs in the lows for a nice reduction in align time, you can haul rigged ships, and outside of hauling it's obviously great for miners and makes a pretty nifty mission salvage assistant as well with its tractor bonuses and fitting service.
A couple of other nice pluses for the Orca:
1. If you've got multiple stops to make (picking up from a wide radius buy order for example) you can pack a cargo rigged Iteron V in the maintenance bay, park the Orca at a centrally located station and hit the outliers in the indy. You can do that in a freighter as well but the indy can't be rigged and you'll have to set it up and tear it down every time.
2. Orca can carry any assembled container except the general freight container which won't fit; freighters can ONLY use the gfc and can't carry that many of them. The smaller containers can come in handy if you're carrying a bunch of different small things you'd like to keep organized (like if you're moving your home base for example, or have multiple deliveries to make). Throw in the assorted tabs in the corp hangar and the Orca can make for a much tidier haul than a freighter, which from my own experience and from looking at killmails can turn into a real mess.
tl;dr -- the only thing going for a freighter at this point is massive capacity, which depending on your situation will either be the number one selling point or a total non-issue. Personally I fly both and wouldn't part with either.
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