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LoOnY PaRk
Gallente
Black Nexus Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.10 10:47:00 -
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IÆm not sure how it works at the moment but I just had a friend rage quit and say heÆs leaving eve because he got podded and didnÆt have an up to date clone. He podded himself to get someplace, forgot to update his clone then got podded by evil people, he lost nearly 2mil SP.
Losing 2mil SP is a hell of a lot for such an easy mistake to make, over 2 months worth of skills, time and money :/ Sure itÆs his fault he should have updated his clone but... Like I said IÆm not sure how it works at the moment but would it not be possible to have a warning message popup if you try and undock without an up to date clone just to remind people that if they undock and get podded they will lose SP and cry like a baby? (I know I would)
Just a suggestion
P.S. I donÆt post on here much, this isnÆt meant to be a whine/troll thread or whatever, itÆs just a suggestion, I donÆt like to see my friends leave the game when a simple warning message can prevent this from happening :(
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Captain Zemo
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:07:00 -
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Signed. Basically get rid of "medical" clones; they don't serve any interesting purpose other than being some annoying thing you have to remember to do when you get podded.
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Hawk Firestorm
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:15:00 -
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TBH I'm amazed this feature is still in the game at all.
The potential for anyone loosing years of playtime because of a simple oversight is ridiculous, and a game ending event.
Personally I'd remove this feature entirely and put in transport fees to 'pod' jump someone to another station instead and get rid of the skill loss factor entirely.
It's something that simply doesn't need to exist or should exist IMHO.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.05.10 12:44:00 -
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The knee-jerk reaction is to say "no, are you a wuss?"
I kind of like the risk of skill loss, if nothing else it's an additional penalty to death that fits well in EVE.
Getting podded and losing SP isn't the end of the world either. If you have enough skillpoints that 5% of the difference between your current SP and your medical clone (that being how much you lose on death) is a significant loss, chances are you have enough SP that it doesn't render you useless (or anywhere close to it). Sure it sucks and it's time wasted but that's only true if you were paying only for the increase in SP.
I think that at most, the first time you try to undock without an updated clone, it might mention it, but after that... well, EVE isn't supposed to hold your hand and remind you about every little thing.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:12:00 -
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The feature is useless IMAO. Just useless anoyance. There is no purpose. Ofcource you like it as long as you are not the victim!
I think at least a worning should be put in. It warns me if i whant to jettison something, where consequences are close to 0 since i can scoop it back in, why doesn't it warn me when i can loose months of gameprogress?
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:38:00 -
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Feature of losing SP or paying money is good death penalty... But still warning message is needed, because losing up to 5% of ur SP (as i understand it if u have 900k SP clone u may lose up too 5% of ur SP) sometimes really much especially for old players...
People feature is needed... Death penalty should be there, losing of implants isn't always enough... (sometimes u don't have any implants in jump clone)
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari
Final Conflict UK
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:42:00 -
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perhaps have an autoupdate to next clone but charge double the fee
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The Painkiller
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:57:00 -
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Currently the people who have been playing the game for a long time say 3+ years get hit the hardest if they make the simple, easy to make mistake as they have more SP to lose :/
Someone could have been dedicated to eve since the game started which is now 6 years... if they lose their pod they could lose what... 5mil SP (ish) thatÆs like 6 months worth of training... after 6 years of playing I wouldnÆt want to quit now but losing nearly half a year of training...thatÆs a serious kick in the nads and when 1 simple message could avert that from happening, it seems silly there isnÆt a message in already.
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: The Painkiller
Currently the people who have been playing the game for a long time say 3+ years get hit the hardest if they make the simple, easy to make mistake as they have more SP to lose :/
Someone could have been dedicated to eve since the game started which is now 6 years... if they lose their pod they could lose what... 5mil SP (ish) thatÆs like 6 months worth of training... after 6 years of playing I wouldnÆt want to quit now but losing nearly half a year of training...thatÆs a serious kick in the nads and when 1 simple message could avert that from happening, it seems silly there isnÆt a message in already.
They are exactly the people who should know better. Eve does not hold your hand.
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Captain Zemo
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:06:00 -
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Bah, know better about what? Nothing to do with PvP tactics. Nothing to do with manufacture or missions. Just a, in my opinion, irrelevant idea that shouldn't be there.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: The Painkiller
Currently the people who have been playing the game for a long time say 3+ years get hit the hardest if they make the simple, easy to make mistake as they have more SP to lose :/
Someone could have been dedicated to eve since the game started which is now 6 years... if they lose their pod they could lose what... 5mil SP (ish) thatÆs like 6 months worth of training... after 6 years of playing I wouldnÆt want to quit now but losing nearly half a year of training...thatÆs a serious kick in the nads and when 1 simple message could avert that from happening, it seems silly there isnÆt a message in already.
No maximum what they can lose as i know it is one level of one skill from level 5 to level 4... SO that is 3371920 SP (5 lvl Titans or 5 lvl Outpost construction) which worth 2 monthes of training (even a little bit more)... But still it's too much... So yes there should be a message... I don't want to lose something like BS lvl 5 or BC lvl 5... Message would be good and prevent CCP from losing old subscrubers...
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Zemo
Bah, know better about what? Nothing to do with PvP tactics. Nothing to do with manufacture or missions. Just a, in my opinion, irrelevant idea that shouldn't be there.
It's an ISK sink. This could easily be changed to an automatic system where the new clone is paid for on death and the "consciousness" is transmitted to the nearest friendly medical establishment where it is installed into the clone, but this would reduce the depth of the sink.
Under the current systemn the vast majority of players have already sunk the ISK into the clone, and will need to upgrade every so often; under the system I suggest above there would only be payment on death, thereby reducing the overall amount that the population sinks into clones.
We need more ISK sinks, not less.
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Captain Zemo
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:36:00 -
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So everytime someone gets podded, they automatically pay some ISK (if they don't have enough ISK then it reverts to the current situation), and automatically get their new med clone with required level of skills. No big deal. Same ISK sink.
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Zemo
So everytime someone gets podded, they automatically pay some ISK (if they don't have enough ISK then it reverts to the current situation), and automatically get their new med clone with required level of skills. No big deal. Same ISK sink.
That reduces the ISK sink. Under the current system you are likely to buy several upgrades of clone before you have died even once. With the system you describe (and I described above) you would only buy a clone when you need it. This means less clones will be bought, reducing the size of the ISK sink: imagine the number of carebears who won't ever need their clone but do actually have one at the moment and that would give you an idea of the scale of the reduction of ISK spent.
You could increase the cost of the clones, but I suspect that the increase in cost would have to be fairly huge (into orders of magnitude) to come even close to making up for the reduction in ISK spent on clones. Such prohibitively expensive clones would reduce the risks people take in PvP. Risking 2mil on a clone and 10mil on a well-fitted Rifter is more than acceptable to most people. Make that 20mil for the clone and 10 mil for the rifter and suddenly you start to think about things a bit more before risking them. Making podkills harder wouldn't solve the issue as then even less people would need to buy clones, reducing the ISK sink even more.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:49:00 -
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I do not support this idea. This lesson is SUPPOSED to hurt. The lessons that hurt are the ones we remember best next time.
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Captain Zemo
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Posted - 2009.05.10 15:26:00 -
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The lesson is pointless. It has nothing to do with any other aspect of EVE.
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LoOnY PaRk
Gallente
Black Nexus Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.10 15:32:00 -
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Personally I think the way Clones work now and how much they cost is okay works well.
Just a popup warning message before you undock without an up to date would be nothing but a good, and a sensible thing to add when you can lose so much.
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Sweetpain
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.10 16:45:00 -
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Just make a option to Autobuy new clone if getting podded, when enable the autobuy you would reserve the isk nessesary to do it.
Keeping an updated clone is up along with remembering to get ammo in to you'r ship before heading out, sure it bites to lose skill points it bites to lose ships, it bites to lose in general when its to obvious mistakes that could easily been avoided.
But in eve most lessons are costly and it's part of what make it eve, if there was a pop up window warning you about leaving station without clone update, it would be just a matter of time before people had turned the warning off and would still complaint about losing SP because they had forgotten they had turned the warning off.
ow if you sspent an hour in a hot tub, and running out in the snow after just felt refreshing, it would help you little when you discovered you was 2 miles in to the forrest without clothes when the effect wore off.
Eve is very mucha strategic game as well as tactical, poor strategy comes with a price no matter how hot blooded you act on your tactics.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.10 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Zemo
The lesson is pointless. It has nothing to do with any other aspect of EVE.
Other than the immortality / it's OK to die aspect you mean?
~ Santiago Fahahrri
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.10 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: LoOnY PaRk
Personally I think the way Clones work now and how much they cost is okay works well.
Just a popup warning message before you undock without an up to date would be nothing but a good, and a sensible thing to add when you can lose so much.
Yes, i agree.
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a matter of time before people had turned the warning off and would still complaint about losing SP because they had forgotten they had turned the warning off.
I never turn any warnings of  So you are not right.
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The lesson is pointless. It has nothing to do with any other aspect of EVE.
Other than the immortality / it's OK to die aspect you mean?
It's pointless and does not have anything to do with any aspect of eve. You know you are immortal. What's the point of loosing SP?
Autoupgrade system would also work fine.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.05.10 18:19:00 -
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Loosing skills is what makes EVE a bit of a hardcore game. In true hardcore games do you lose all on death - skills, levels and credits.
On the topic: Getting a warning when undocking does not sound bad, really. You get one for illegal cargo and that sure is something less worse than leaving a station without an up-to-date clone.
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Kuranta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.10 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: LoOnY PaRk
... they will lose SP and cry like a baby? (I know I would)
What's not to love about that?
It's just another risk thing in EVE. Corpmate lost BS V....twice. He was upset but realised it was his own fault.
Sure, we could have warning pop-ups all over the place, but what's the point in having the mechanic then anyways? Nobody (unless you're really mentally challenged) would fail - so having the mechanic is sensless.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.11 01:35:00 -
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EVE is a cold hard place, there's no reason for someone to hold your hand if you don't update your clone.
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