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DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 10:21:00 - [1] Edited by: DP Mephisto on 04/09/2004 10:24:02 Edited by: DP Mephisto on 04/09/2004 10:23:30 Hi all, Since the other thread was kind of full I decided to make a fresh one. My latest map can always be found on the following link: Latest version. Thanks eve-guardian. All of my previous maps can be seen at the historical map. section. Note: This map needs input to stay updated. Input can be described as: A new hotspot system ( Who vs Who, where ) A hotspot system that isnÆt a hotspot anymore A new alliance A new peace treaty A new found NAP A new found war (between alliances) Extending alliance territory Input can be given in the following four ways: [email protected] Ingame mail towards DP Mephisto A weekly discussion at channel ôalliancemapö, every Friday from 1700 till 1800 Eve time. I would like to invite everyone from any alliance to get a realistic image of the current situation. A reply on this thread. I would like to keep this thread constructive. Help to keep it up-to-date ! Note to forum moderator(s): Would it be possible to keep my thread clean the same way its done with Quarath thread ? Greetz, DP Mephisto Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 10:21:00 - [2] Edited by: DP Mephisto on 04/09/2004 10:24:02 Edited by: DP Mephisto on 04/09/2004 10:23:30 Hi all, Since the other thread was kind of full I decided to make a fresh one. My latest map can always be found on the following link: Latest version. Thanks eve-guardian. All of my previous maps can be seen at the historical map. section. Note: This map needs input to stay updated. Input can be described as: A new hotspot system ( Who vs Who, where ) A hotspot system that isnÆt a hotspot anymore A new alliance A new peace treaty A new found NAP A new found war (between alliances) Extending alliance territory Input can be given in the following four ways: [email protected] Ingame mail towards DP Mephisto A weekly discussion at channel ôalliancemapö, every Friday from 1700 till 1800 Eve time. I would like to invite everyone from any alliance to get a realistic image of the current situation. A reply on this thread. I would like to keep this thread constructive. Help to keep it up-to-date ! Note to forum moderator(s): Would it be possible to keep my thread clean the same way its done with Quarath thread ? Greetz, DP Mephisto Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 10:52:00 - [3] The eve guardian seems to be offline at the moment, excuses for that. I hope it will be back online soon Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 10:52:00 - [4] The eve guardian seems to be offline at the moment, excuses for that. I hope it will be back online soon Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:02:00 - [5] Koval keep it constructive. Your reply has nothing to do with my thread. And if you think my map hasnÆt got anything to do with the real situation, then convince me to up-date trough constructive arguments. I would be the last one to flame anyone but, I donÆt like you! Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:02:00 - [6] Koval keep it constructive. Your reply has nothing to do with my thread. And if you think my map hasnÆt got anything to do with the real situation, then convince me to up-date trough constructive arguments. I would be the last one to flame anyone but, I donÆt like you! Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
Shirei	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:14:00 - [7] What I got when I clicked the link had seriously nothing to do with the real situation. At least I was of the impression that there was no alliance called 'The connection was refused while trying to connect www.eveguardian.com' holding all of EVE last I checked.
Shirei	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:14:00 - [8] What I got when I clicked the link had seriously nothing to do with the real situation. At least I was of the impression that there was no alliance called 'The connection was refused while trying to connect www.eveguardian.com' holding all of EVE last I checked.
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:17:00 - [9] Lol, yea again sorry Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:17:00 - [10] Lol, yea again sorry Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:18:00 - [11] Well there is a simple equation at play here: chaps that spend a little time and effort producing maps and political assessment to inform novice pilots of the realities of 0.0 space travel = positive impact on the community of pilots. Whereas, chaps that simply knock everything and post unhelpful negative comments with knee jerk repetitive monotones = waste of everyone's time. If the PA (or any other reactionary mineral cartel-based alliance) don't like DP Mephisto's map then you could either do as he suggests and bring some debate and facts to support your point of view or: (and here's a crazy thought) You could present your own map! JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:18:00 - [12] Well there is a simple equation at play here: chaps that spend a little time and effort producing maps and political assessment to inform novice pilots of the realities of 0.0 space travel = positive impact on the community of pilots. Whereas, chaps that simply knock everything and post unhelpful negative comments with knee jerk repetitive monotones = waste of everyone's time. If the PA (or any other reactionary mineral cartel-based alliance) don't like DP Mephisto's map then you could either do as he suggests and bring some debate and facts to support your point of view or: (and here's a crazy thought) You could present your own map! JF Public Forum
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:20:00 - [13] ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa, this war is not over yet and u can't change it everytime when there is a movement. We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. You are the side in this conflict, so it's simple u wanna use your work against PA, but if u want this thread clean, be professional.
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:20:00 - [14] ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa, this war is not over yet and u can't change it everytime when there is a movement. We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. You are the side in this conflict, so it's simple u wanna use your work against PA, but if u want this thread clean, be professional.
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:21:00 - [15] Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 04/09/2004 11:29:26 Originally by: Jade Constantine You could present your own map! That or we could simply accept that Quaraths map is the best map around which seems to be more accurate... Or so it seems.... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 04/09/2004 11:29:26 Originally by: Jade Constantine You could present your own map! That or we could simply accept that Quaraths map is the best map around which seems to be more accurate... Or so it seems.... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
TRIGGER	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:25:00 - [17] as always dp , a nice job , and certainly the only map i ever trust
TRIGGER	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:25:00 - [18] as always dp , a nice job , and certainly the only map i ever trust
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Koval ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa, this war is not over yet and u can't change it everytime when there is a movement. We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. You are the side in this conflict, so it's simple u wanna use your work against PA, but if u want this thread clean, be professional. Umm but Halseth annouced you were dropping your claims to Branch and Tenal. Are you breaking your leaders word by sneak attacking into Tenal after Halseth proclaimed you were surrendering that region? Thats a bit low even for the PA! JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Koval ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa, this war is not over yet and u can't change it everytime when there is a movement. We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. You are the side in this conflict, so it's simple u wanna use your work against PA, but if u want this thread clean, be professional. Umm but Halseth annouced you were dropping your claims to Branch and Tenal. Are you breaking your leaders word by sneak attacking into Tenal after Halseth proclaimed you were surrendering that region? Thats a bit low even for the PA! JF Public Forum
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:32:00 - [21] i remember he announced we're pulling back from bkg to attack fade and deklein, it has nothing to do with dropping claims
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:32:00 - [22] i remember he announced we're pulling back from bkg to attack fade and deklein, it has nothing to do with dropping claims
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:33:00 - [23] Barth3zzzNL, nice to see you put so much research in you post, if you go back on this forum long enough u will see I am not riding on his pride. Multiple people made maps earlier on in the game. Nobody is riding anyoneÆs pride having multiple maps at the same time will maybe show some differences, but itÆs the amount of effort the map maker is willing to put into it, to make the difference. As answer on Koval somehow more constructive reply: make those attacks happen more often and I will change the way SOL and PA are shown. Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:33:00 - [24] Barth3zzzNL, nice to see you put so much research in you post, if you go back on this forum long enough u will see I am not riding on his pride. Multiple people made maps earlier on in the game. Nobody is riding anyoneÆs pride having multiple maps at the same time will maybe show some differences, but itÆs the amount of effort the map maker is willing to put into it, to make the difference. As answer on Koval somehow more constructive reply: make those attacks happen more often and I will change the way SOL and PA are shown. Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:37:00 - [25] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 04/09/2004 11:39:05 hmm, i made a map once.... trusty old paint, who needs all the technical stuff when u have paint?!? ...it was a mess anyway back to topic: hope EG is up soon. My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:37:00 - [26] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 04/09/2004 11:39:05 hmm, i made a map once.... trusty old paint, who needs all the technical stuff when u have paint?!? ...it was a mess anyway back to topic: hope EG is up soon. My vids and random stuff
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Koval i remember he announced we're pulling back from bkg to attack fade and deklein, it has nothing to do with dropping claims Yes Koval, but routed military leaders always announce retreats in such terms. "We concentrate on other fronts!" "Now is the time to consolidate at home" "This theatre is no longer a priority" etc etc, its just coded language for "we were wtfpwned and need to safespot in strategic terms". Everyone knows that Koval, the art of political analysis (and mapmaking) is reading between the lines and interpreting what the leaders "mean" (not simply rote-copying down what they say). Halseth has a job to do at this twilight time for the Pheonix Alliance and it involves selling his own people a diet of pleasing lies while preparing the ground for some kind of universal pullout/surrender. In order to get the best terms possible he feels he must present the PA as some kind of military threat hence talking up the capabilities and potentials of your fleet is his stock in trade. I don't neccessarily condemn the chap for that (it is after the function of his position) but you would be foolish to believe it all at face value. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Koval i remember he announced we're pulling back from bkg to attack fade and deklein, it has nothing to do with dropping claims Yes Koval, but routed military leaders always announce retreats in such terms. "We concentrate on other fronts!" "Now is the time to consolidate at home" "This theatre is no longer a priority" etc etc, its just coded language for "we were wtfpwned and need to safespot in strategic terms". Everyone knows that Koval, the art of political analysis (and mapmaking) is reading between the lines and interpreting what the leaders "mean" (not simply rote-copying down what they say). Halseth has a job to do at this twilight time for the Pheonix Alliance and it involves selling his own people a diet of pleasing lies while preparing the ground for some kind of universal pullout/surrender. In order to get the best terms possible he feels he must present the PA as some kind of military threat hence talking up the capabilities and potentials of your fleet is his stock in trade. I don't neccessarily condemn the chap for that (it is after the function of his position) but you would be foolish to believe it all at face value. JF Public Forum
Omega Man	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:57:00 - [29] Keep up the cartography DP Mephisto. Dont let the "do nothing moaners" get you down, presumably mummy took their crayons away and they cant draw their own maps.
Omega Man	Posted - 2004.09.04 11:57:00 - [30] Keep up the cartography DP Mephisto. Dont let the "do nothing moaners" get you down, presumably mummy took their crayons away and they cant draw their own maps.
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:12:00 - [31] Originally by: Jade Constantine Yes Koval, but routed military leaders always announce retreats in such terms enemy leaders always call it like that in their propaganda 8) it doesn't make it true
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Jade Constantine Yes Koval, but routed military leaders always announce retreats in such terms enemy leaders always call it like that in their propaganda 8) it doesn't make it true
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Koval Originally by: Jade Constantine Yes Koval, but routed military leaders always announce retreats in such terms enemy leaders always call it like that in their propaganda 8) it doesn't make it true Alas what a tangled web we weave, but I hope you take the point? It doesn't make the map-maker's task any easier. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Koval Originally by: Jade Constantine Yes Koval, but routed military leaders always announce retreats in such terms enemy leaders always call it like that in their propaganda 8) it doesn't make it true Alas what a tangled web we weave, but I hope you take the point? It doesn't make the map-maker's task any easier. JF Public Forum
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:18:00 - [35] yes i took the point that is let's not mix these forums with the real situation
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:18:00 - [36] yes i took the point that is let's not mix these forums with the real situation
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Koval i remember he announced we're pulling back from bkg to attack fade and deklein, it has nothing to do with dropping claims The map's reflecting strategic reality, not claims. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Koval i remember he announced we're pulling back from bkg to attack fade and deklein, it has nothing to do with dropping claims The map's reflecting strategic reality, not claims. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Moneta	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:26:00 - [39] Edited by: Moneta on 04/09/2004 12:28:07 Originally by: Koval ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa...We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. Originally by: Koval yes i took the point that is let's not mix these forums with the real situation Agreed, let's not post fantasy here. Originally by: Aneu Angellus Iv held back from posting on this thread for quite some time, but i think the time had come for me to come in and post. Aneu
Moneta	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Moneta on 04/09/2004 12:28:07 Originally by: Koval ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa...We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. Originally by: Koval yes i took the point that is let's not mix these forums with the real situation Agreed, let's not post fantasy here. Originally by: Aneu Angellus Iv held back from posting on this thread for quite some time, but i think the time had come for me to come in and post. Aneu
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Koval ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa, this war is not over yet and u can't change it everytime when there is a movement. We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. You are the side in this conflict, so it's simple u wanna use your work against PA, but if u want this thread clean, be professional. Tell me agin, which part of Tenal do you control and hold? All stations in Tenal are under EVOL signs, feel free to check our info. As for you killing 6 SOL bships, sure, you probably did, takes time to break in the newbs to this part of space. So, which part of Tenal and Branch do you control? You cannot post only, when ingame info clearly shows that we own all station in Branch and Tenal nad have been doing so for weeks. The presence you currrently have in 6oy in tenal is restricted to 5-6 pilots who are roaming and trying to pick off easy targets. If you want to call that control, be my guest. So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please.
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Koval ok, remove your claims to branch/tenal and mark tenal, branch, deklein, fade as warzone with pa, this war is not over yet and u can't change it everytime when there is a movement. We killed 6 SOL battleships in tenal since yesterday with no losses, and we keep it under control atm. You are the side in this conflict, so it's simple u wanna use your work against PA, but if u want this thread clean, be professional. Tell me agin, which part of Tenal do you control and hold? All stations in Tenal are under EVOL signs, feel free to check our info. As for you killing 6 SOL bships, sure, you probably did, takes time to break in the newbs to this part of space. So, which part of Tenal and Branch do you control? You cannot post only, when ingame info clearly shows that we own all station in Branch and Tenal nad have been doing so for weeks. The presence you currrently have in 6oy in tenal is restricted to 5-6 pilots who are roaming and trying to pick off easy targets. If you want to call that control, be my guest. So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please.
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:54:00 - [43] Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims.
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 12:54:00 - [44] Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 13:13:00 - [45] Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. I think technically to control a region you need to be in possession of the capturable stations and able to conduct economic activities with a reasonable level of security. Simply flying around in a ganksquad and picking on loners is a valid guerilla-warfare tactic but shouldn't be confused with territorial control. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.09.04 13:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. I think technically to control a region you need to be in possession of the capturable stations and able to conduct economic activities with a reasonable level of security. Simply flying around in a ganksquad and picking on loners is a valid guerilla-warfare tactic but shouldn't be confused with territorial control. JF Public Forum
Cleopatera	Posted - 2004.09.04 13:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. I find it funny, when RKK/m0o/evol did this and stil do this in Venal, the PA catagoricly deny that they can 'claim' the region. But when you guys do it, suddenly you have the right to claim the region you 'hunt' in ?? Please explain the diffrence between what you are doing and what rrk/m0o/evol have done in venal (the area you supposedly lay claim to) Now, it has come to my mind, that you are not speaknig for your aliance at all and are jsut throwing random bull***t in the air with no bite to backup your bark. Can we keep this fairly on topic because this is meant to be for Mephisto's map (when we can eventally see it ) and not anouther post about PA ------------------------------------------- Voted "Best"
Cleopatera	Posted - 2004.09.04 13:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. I find it funny, when RKK/m0o/evol did this and stil do this in Venal, the PA catagoricly deny that they can 'claim' the region. But when you guys do it, suddenly you have the right to claim the region you 'hunt' in ?? Please explain the diffrence between what you are doing and what rrk/m0o/evol have done in venal (the area you supposedly lay claim to) Now, it has come to my mind, that you are not speaknig for your aliance at all and are jsut throwing random bull***t in the air with no bite to backup your bark. Can we keep this fairly on topic because this is meant to be for Mephisto's map (when we can eventally see it ) and not anouther post about PA ------------------------------------------- Voted "Best"
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 13:41:00 - [49] Edited by: Koval on 04/09/2004 13:43:41 got problems with reading cleopatra ? i said it's a warzone, the point about the control was about the movement on the map, mephisto got it, you haven't
Koval	Posted - 2004.09.04 13:41:00 - [50] Edited by: Koval on 04/09/2004 13:43:41 got problems with reading cleopatra ? i said it's a warzone, the point about the control was about the movement on the map, mephisto got it, you haven't
Cleopatera	Posted - 2004.09.04 14:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Koval Edited by: Koval on 04/09/2004 13:43:41 got problems with reading cleopatra ? i said it's a warzone, the point about the control was about the movement on the map, mephisto got it, you haven't Agreed, but your fighting over who claims the region so my point stil stands ------------------------------------------- Voted "Best"
Cleopatera	Posted - 2004.09.04 14:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Koval Edited by: Koval on 04/09/2004 13:43:41 got problems with reading cleopatra ? i said it's a warzone, the point about the control was about the movement on the map, mephisto got it, you haven't Agreed, but your fighting over who claims the region so my point stil stands ------------------------------------------- Voted "Best"
IIIIII	Posted - 2004.09.04 14:01:00 - [53] Edited by: IIIIII on 04/09/2004 14:05:54 Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. thats like saying your cvontrol and ocupy an entire country because your spesial forces are running around behind enemy lines..
IIIIII	Posted - 2004.09.04 14:01:00 - [54] Edited by: IIIIII on 04/09/2004 14:05:54 Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. thats like saying your cvontrol and ocupy an entire country because your spesial forces are running around behind enemy lines..
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.09.04 14:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Koval Edited by: Koval on 04/09/2004 13:43:41 got problems with reading cleopatra ? i said it's a warzone, the point about the control was about the movement on the map, mephisto got it, you haven't One incursion in a few weeks time doesn't make a warzone afaik. Venal however, see multiple incursions a day, whcih would mean it's a warzone. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.09.04 14:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Koval Edited by: Koval on 04/09/2004 13:43:41 got problems with reading cleopatra ? i said it's a warzone, the point about the control was about the movement on the map, mephisto got it, you haven't One incursion in a few weeks time doesn't make a warzone afaik. Venal however, see multiple incursions a day, whcih would mean it's a warzone. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:49:00 - [57] Ok, i'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that Koval is **ing everyone off, or at least annoying pretty much everyone, since almost everyone has posted something about Kovals stupid posts. To that end I send the following to You Koval: STFU Now that that's coverd, I can't load the map, EG's down? -Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles** Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:49:00 - [58] Ok, i'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that Koval is **ing everyone off, or at least annoying pretty much everyone, since almost everyone has posted something about Kovals stupid posts. To that end I send the following to You Koval: STFU Now that that's coverd, I can't load the map, EG's down? -Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles** Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Asmodia	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:57:00 - [59] I have the same problem. I can'T load the map and EG is down for me. Maybe we need a other host, a good one liek the other map ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Asmodia	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:57:00 - [60] I have the same problem. I can'T load the map and EG is down for me. Maybe we need a other host, a good one liek the other map ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Rodney Munch	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:58:00 - [61] Koval, dude, seriously.. GET A CLUE Thank you for your time.
Rodney Munch	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:58:00 - [62] Koval, dude, seriously.. GET A CLUE Thank you for your time.
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:59:00 - [63] I stick to EG, they are just having a bad day Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 15:59:00 - [64] I stick to EG, they are just having a bad day Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
LOLZ	Posted - 2004.09.04 16:14:00 - [65] the link doesnt work at the moment. i bet you have not added the ALLIANCE safespots yet either?
LOLZ	Posted - 2004.09.04 16:14:00 - [66] the link doesnt work at the moment. i bet you have not added the ALLIANCE safespots yet either?
Mechanix	Posted - 2004.09.04 17:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Jade Constantine I think technically to control a region you need to be in possession of the capturable stations and able to conduct economic activities with a reasonable level of security. Agreed.
Mechanix	Posted - 2004.09.04 17:17:00 - [68] Originally by: Jade Constantine I think technically to control a region you need to be in possession of the capturable stations and able to conduct economic activities with a reasonable level of security. Agreed.
Halseth	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:10:00 - [69] Mephisto, I would like to thank you for the time and effort that you have given to eve community. Even though we may see things from a different perspective, please consider the PA as appreciative of your efforts. Before I continue, can we please have all dialogue of arbitration of regional control fall to 1 official voice from the PA council, please. I would now like to address the issue of regional control. Should we have PCS station control be the determining factor of who owns regions now? By reading this post, it seems you all have finally agreed on a set of rules for regional ownership. If so, I would like to submit this screenshot taken 2 days before we left for our our southern offensive against Deklien and Fade. It shows all stations in Branch and Tenal under PA control.I think it clearly proves we were not "kicked out" of those regions. Now, I know that we are not currently in those regions, So I would classify these regions as "disputed" because we will returning at some point in the future. (Was CA taken off of the map when they spent 2 weeks in FA space? No.) However, may I now apply these same rules to the regions of Deklien and Fade? Would a screenshot of PA ownership of all stations in those regions be considered as proof of ownership or at least a "disputed" classification in those regions?
Halseth	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:10:00 - [70] Mephisto, I would like to thank you for the time and effort that you have given to eve community. Even though we may see things from a different perspective, please consider the PA as appreciative of your efforts. Before I continue, can we please have all dialogue of arbitration of regional control fall to 1 official voice from the PA council, please. I would now like to address the issue of regional control. Should we have PCS station control be the determining factor of who owns regions now? By reading this post, it seems you all have finally agreed on a set of rules for regional ownership. If so, I would like to submit this screenshot taken 2 days before we left for our our southern offensive against Deklien and Fade. It shows all stations in Branch and Tenal under PA control.I think it clearly proves we were not "kicked out" of those regions. Now, I know that we are not currently in those regions, So I would classify these regions as "disputed" because we will returning at some point in the future. (Was CA taken off of the map when they spent 2 weeks in FA space? No.) However, may I now apply these same rules to the regions of Deklien and Fade? Would a screenshot of PA ownership of all stations in those regions be considered as proof of ownership or at least a "disputed" classification in those regions?
Jakal	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:25:00 - [71] hal your link tells me "access denied" wtf? -Adapt and Overcome.
Jakal	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:25:00 - [72] hal your link tells me "access denied" wtf? -Adapt and Overcome.
Faramir	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Halseth Mephisto, I would like to thank you for the time and effort that you have given to eve community. Even though we may see things from a different perspective, please consider the PA as appreciative of your efforts. Before I continue, can we please have all dialogue of arbitration of regional control fall to 1 official voice from the PA council, please. I would now like to address the issue of regional control. Should we have PCS station control be the determining factor of who owns regions now? By reading this post, it seems you all have finally agreed on a set of rules for regional ownership. If so, I would like to submit this screenshot taken 2 days before we left for our our southern offensive against Deklien and Fade. It shows all stations in Branch and Tenal under PA control.I think it clearly proves we were not "kicked out" of those regions. Now, I know that we are not currently in those regions, So I would classify these regions as "disputed" because we will returning at some point in the future. (Was CA taken off of the map when they spent 2 weeks in FA space? No.) However, may I now apply these same rules to the regions of Deklien and Fade? Would a screenshot of PA ownership of all stations in those regions be considered as proof of ownership or at least a "disputed" classification in those regions? Then how can one claim a region with NPC stations, clearly owned by the local NPC's? Like Venal, Curse, Fountain, Stain ?
Faramir	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:29:00 - [74] Originally by: Halseth Mephisto, I would like to thank you for the time and effort that you have given to eve community. Even though we may see things from a different perspective, please consider the PA as appreciative of your efforts. Before I continue, can we please have all dialogue of arbitration of regional control fall to 1 official voice from the PA council, please. I would now like to address the issue of regional control. Should we have PCS station control be the determining factor of who owns regions now? By reading this post, it seems you all have finally agreed on a set of rules for regional ownership. If so, I would like to submit this screenshot taken 2 days before we left for our our southern offensive against Deklien and Fade. It shows all stations in Branch and Tenal under PA control.I think it clearly proves we were not "kicked out" of those regions. Now, I know that we are not currently in those regions, So I would classify these regions as "disputed" because we will returning at some point in the future. (Was CA taken off of the map when they spent 2 weeks in FA space? No.) However, may I now apply these same rules to the regions of Deklien and Fade? Would a screenshot of PA ownership of all stations in those regions be considered as proof of ownership or at least a "disputed" classification in those regions? Then how can one claim a region with NPC stations, clearly owned by the local NPC's? Like Venal, Curse, Fountain, Stain ?
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Jakal hal your link tells me "access denied" wtf? Dont mind him he's a little slow <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:33:00 - [76] Originally by: Jakal hal your link tells me "access denied" wtf? Dont mind him he's a little slow <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:36:00 - [77] I hereby claim Luminaire. I've been there few times. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:36:00 - [78] I hereby claim Luminaire. I've been there few times. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Faramir	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:37:00 - [79] And a few comments about your screenshot Halseth if I may: 1. Owner information on PCS's is bugged. They do not update correctly. Thus this could well be a wrong view of the situation. 2. Your screenshot does not include a date. It shows a time, but no date. You can show date by expanding your Neocom. 3. Only reliable PCS information appears to be in the "settled systems" information in corporation information. So, your screenshot is a capture of a certain date at 4:00 am Eve-time. Showing basically nothing I'm afraid.
Faramir	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:37:00 - [80] And a few comments about your screenshot Halseth if I may: 1. Owner information on PCS's is bugged. They do not update correctly. Thus this could well be a wrong view of the situation. 2. Your screenshot does not include a date. It shows a time, but no date. You can show date by expanding your Neocom. 3. Only reliable PCS information appears to be in the "settled systems" information in corporation information. So, your screenshot is a capture of a certain date at 4:00 am Eve-time. Showing basically nothing I'm afraid.
Jakal	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:49:00 - [81] Edited by: Jakal on 04/09/2004 18:51:28 ok i see the screenie now. not very impressive. /does his impression halseth... Today, I walked on water, PRAISE ME. oh can you ignore the fact I walked on a frozen lake? -Adapt and Overcome.
Jakal	Posted - 2004.09.04 18:49:00 - [82] Edited by: Jakal on 04/09/2004 18:51:28 ok i see the screenie now. not very impressive. /does his impression halseth... Today, I walked on water, PRAISE ME. oh can you ignore the fact I walked on a frozen lake? -Adapt and Overcome.
Darknesss	Posted - 2004.09.04 19:09:00 - [83] ROFL Koval, i may be repeating what people have already said but i wanna say it again. You guys cant claim Tenal at all. You sure as hell dont roam freely, you have been sitting in safe spots all today. Sure you have gotten a few kills but this is just while the newer players adapt. Evol Own the stations, Sol run the stations and PA dont own or run a damn thing. This is the REAL situation and because you out bore us in 6OYQ-Z and wait for most of us to log before u come out you think this means you own it? tut tut what a fool you are. (imagine a fancy signature and associate it with me)
Darknesss	Posted - 2004.09.04 19:09:00 - [84] ROFL Koval, i may be repeating what people have already said but i wanna say it again. You guys cant claim Tenal at all. You sure as hell dont roam freely, you have been sitting in safe spots all today. Sure you have gotten a few kills but this is just while the newer players adapt. Evol Own the stations, Sol run the stations and PA dont own or run a damn thing. This is the REAL situation and because you out bore us in 6OYQ-Z and wait for most of us to log before u come out you think this means you own it? tut tut what a fool you are. (imagine a fancy signature and associate it with me)
Damaclease	Posted - 2004.09.04 22:19:00 - [85] all ur are bases belong to us cough welcome back mephi map is looking good
Damaclease	Posted - 2004.09.04 22:19:00 - [86] all ur are bases belong to us cough welcome back mephi map is looking good
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 23:16:00 - [87] Edited by: DP Mephisto on 04/09/2004 23:27:15 hey Damaclease, long time no see mate. Give me a all when I jump online or I will . Btw I donÆt know whatÆs up with the eveguardian domain, but it isnÆt working for me. Lets hope this minor problem gets solved soon, And as for choosing an other place to host, it requires a very good host, and this is what the Eveguardian gives me. I have no need for an other one. I had a idea burning inside me for a while: One or multiple tech II items will be awarded to one of the people that send usefull info In game mailed or real mail to [email protected] with proper main character name notation, one or multyple awards a week depends on the corporation helping out. I need a sponsor for my map, a corporation who is prepared to give away some stuff in exchange for a advert on my map, interested à let me know Greetz DP Mephisto Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
DP Mephisto	Posted - 2004.09.04 23:16:00 - [88] Edited by: DP Mephisto on 04/09/2004 23:27:15 hey Damaclease, long time no see mate. Give me a all when I jump online or I will . Btw I donÆt know whatÆs up with the eveguardian domain, but it isnÆt working for me. Lets hope this minor problem gets solved soon, And as for choosing an other place to host, it requires a very good host, and this is what the Eveguardian gives me. I have no need for an other one. I had a idea burning inside me for a while: One or multiple tech II items will be awarded to one of the people that send usefull info In game mailed or real mail to [email protected] with proper main character name notation, one or multyple awards a week depends on the corporation helping out. I need a sponsor for my map, a corporation who is prepared to give away some stuff in exchange for a advert on my map, interested à let me know Greetz DP Mephisto Eve-Concepts: Player vs player action trough the agent system
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.09.04 23:44:00 - [89] Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. So by your own statement then, when we walk into venal and start ganking your members, we currently own venal at that point in time, or is it still pa property? Think Before you type? Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.09.04 23:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Koval Originally by: SirMolle So, what systems is it you are claiming to be under your control? And make sure to backup your statement please. isn't that a control if we're flying where we want and do what we want in tenal unharmed while your puppies loose ships or sit in safespots ? I believe you will send some reinforcements so it's warzone, u can dream about these claims. So by your own statement then, when we walk into venal and start ganking your members, we currently own venal at that point in time, or is it still pa property? Think Before you type? Sass Arcane Technologies
Rarium	Posted - 2004.09.11 03:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Bash.org <Zybl0re> get up <Zybl0re> get on up <Zybl0re> get up <Zybl0re> get on up <phxl\|paper> and DANCE * nmp3bot dances :D-< * nmp3bot dances :D\|-< * nmp3bot dances :D/-< <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet Ahh.. I think the reference to this is not needed..
Rarium	Posted - 2004.09.11 03:45:00 - [92] Originally by: Bash.org <Zybl0re> get up <Zybl0re> get on up <Zybl0re> get up <Zybl0re> get on up <phxl\|paper> and DANCE * nmp3bot dances :D-< * nmp3bot dances :D\|-< * nmp3bot dances :D/-< <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet Ahh.. I think the reference to this is not needed..
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.11 07:29:00 - [93] It's a little early to be counting PA out I think, the war in the north is not over, it has just begun.
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.11 07:29:00 - [94] It's a little early to be counting PA out I think, the war in the north is not over, it has just begun.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.09.11 08:27:00 - [95] Originally by: EternalDark It's a little early to be counting PA out I think, the war in the north is not over, it has just begun. aye the PA rallied a bit this week and tried to move north again. Unfortunately, they were dispatched of 40+ peeps last night, so to say we ain't particularily worried is an understatement. Eternal mate, you can try and prop up the PA as much as ya want, but they are like the carebear side of CA. They definitely don't have the pvp side that you guys do.... but I guess you saw that when you came up to help them last time and they made you sit in safespots in BKG with them ;) dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.09.11 08:27:00 - [96] Originally by: EternalDark It's a little early to be counting PA out I think, the war in the north is not over, it has just begun. aye the PA rallied a bit this week and tried to move north again. Unfortunately, they were dispatched of 40+ peeps last night, so to say we ain't particularily worried is an understatement. Eternal mate, you can try and prop up the PA as much as ya want, but they are like the carebear side of CA. They definitely don't have the pvp side that you guys do.... but I guess you saw that when you came up to help them last time and they made you sit in safespots in BKG with them ;) dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Lomithrandra	Posted - 2004.09.11 09:34:00 - [97] Removed some flame posts, and references to the flames. Please keep replies on the forum friendly and respectful. _____________________________ Lomithrandra Lead Forum Moderator [ Forum Rules ]
Lomithrandra	Posted - 2004.09.11 09:34:00 - [98] Removed some flame posts, and references to the flames. Please keep replies on the forum friendly and respectful. _____________________________ Lomithrandra Lead Forum Moderator [ Forum Rules ]
Nikodaemonicus	Posted - 2004.09.11 11:20:00 - [99] Very nice map Mephi, my congratulations. It's very useful and I like your maps since you started with'em and nobody else was making maps. And for all those that are claiming your map is doubtful due northern configuration, please, check the sticky one, it has been modified too to reflect the northern region soverignity.
Nikodaemonicus	Posted - 2004.09.11 11:20:00 - [100] Very nice map Mephi, my congratulations. It's very useful and I like your maps since you started with'em and nobody else was making maps. And for all those that are claiming your map is doubtful due northern configuration, please, check the sticky one, it has been modified too to reflect the northern region soverignity.

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