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Jett0 Team Kitty Choke Slam 117	Posted - 2012.05.09 16:50:00 - [1] - Quote tl;dr is in the thread title. Go nuts. Why this thread exists: Whenever we discuss various mechanics related to security areas, the good arguments usually come down to "Your idea goes against what (sec area) is about" "We agree on the purpose of (sec area), but not on mechanic ideas" I think it would help for players of various styles/sec areas to first discuss what the purpose of each sec area is. What this thread is about: Your thoughts on High, Low, Null, WH, even Rookie systems What "flavor" each area has for you, under current mechanics What flavor you would like a specific area to have; what would entice you into another sec area? What you like about your current area, and why you stay there How sec areas should differ, and to what degree Questions to other players about all of the above What this thread is not about: Which sec area is better What gameplay style is or isn't playing EVE "correctly" How your game is being hampered by other players, or even CCP (i.e. don't whine, propose change and explain how you think it supports the "correct" flavor) Good stuff to review: Nullsec Development: Rules and Guidelines Nullsec Development: Design Rules Changes to War Mechanics EVE Fanfest 2012: Crimewatch (Feel free to suggest more. I wasn't here for Dominion's sov changes, for example.) To kick off: I love wh space. It has a feeling of mystery that the other areas don't match for me. The removal of constant local has a lot to do with this. Watching d-scan with adrenaline and paranoia never gets old. Low-sec is fun too, but I rarely venture there. I've never lived in null, so I wonder: Is nullsec pretty much reverse highsec, but with better faction police? Would carelessly monitored null areas be equivalent to lowsec then? Is it "right" that null should still have to Jita for anything? If large null alliances have the production capacity that they do, what would prevent them from severing all ties with highsec? Why should highsec alts still be necessary? Are there any pirate groups in low that can actually sustain themselves solely on ransoms and cargo? If so, I would love to know how you do it. Aaaaaaand the big one. I believe 1.0 highsec should be Concord-Death-Ray levels of safe. Meanwhile, 0.5 should have epic criminal chases on par with Grand Theft Auto, or the stuff on late-night television. Occasionally plays sober
Doctor Ungabungas GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 121	Posted - 2012.05.09 16:53:00 - [2] - Quote 0.0: The place where I live, it has everything I need. Low Sec: A place where I can relax, no bubbles. High Sec: A place where I'll probably be killed by wardec alliances.
Welsige Amok. Goonswarm Federation 65	Posted - 2012.05.09 16:56:00 - [3] - Quote 0.0: Freedom, the real EVE Low Sec: what highsec should be High Sec: a place where nothing is allowed. ~ 10.058 ~ Free The Mittani
Just Alter Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 99	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:01:00 - [4] - Quote 0.0: safe and confortable space, perfect for gudfites,drama and jewing. low sec: where people who cant hold sov go, like high sec but completly empty. high sec: market hubs, industry,missions and incursions. no reason to go there if you dont want those things. wh: a really scary place. bubbles and cloaky people everywhere, no stations, no jump bridges or titans,no intel, can hardly make money alone.
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 652	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:04:00 - [5] - Quote 0.0: gayer than a row of pink tents, even the jump gates have beards Low Sec: The greatest place in the game High Sec: Where the retards live This is my Totally unbaised opinion :) I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Cys Root The Oasis Group Combat Mining and Logistics 16	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:12:00 - [6] - Quote Security Levels in Eve Online Explained
Nephilius Knights of Athena Star Council 406	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:14:00 - [7] - Quote Nulsec is, to me, a vast area of space that has the capacity to be extremely dangerous if you are a single player or small entity. In what little time I have spent there, I enjoyed zooming about, checking stuff out, and either getting into some fights or knowing my limitations and hightailing it out of fights. A good place to explore, and if you got pals, probably a good place to live. Losec is what I would consider the most dangerous areas of New Eden. Incapable of being tamed or controlled, losec should be the embodiment of the phrase 'Risk vs Reward'. Unfortunately, it's risk heavily outweighs any reward at this time. Hisec feels to be more dangerous now than ever, to the point where I actually have used measures in some star systems and regions that I once only used in losec. Good place for noobs to start, and make the choice of path from there. Hisec is like a buffet, it has a little of everything, but all those things are not of the highest caliber or quality. I giggle like a mongoloid midget with a case of the hooker tickles when I see PvP alliances that have built their wealth on PvE endeavors complain about carebears.
Brother chookta One Horse Trading 1	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:22:00 - [8] - Quote Not been to nullsec but low sec - watch local lowHigh sec - watch your back hihigh sec - watch TV joking apart this really has become how I see the game nowadays. I now spend most of my time in 0.3 to 0.6.
malaire 402	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:25:00 - [9] - Quote hi = my home low = place I avoid null = boring politics, also to avoid wh = maybe my home someday New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else
Elise DarkStar Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 319	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote Jita 4-4: make money, **** bitches the rest: peons dancing at the end of my strings

Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4165	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:42:00 - [11] - Quote hisec: farming area lowsec: dead, midpoints, only a handful of active systems and they are chokepoints npc nullsec: people live here? sov nullsec: the only part of the game worth playing in wormholes: way too much tedium for a video game "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:46:00 - [12] - Quote Low-Sec has a security force to. Thanks to the stupid jump drive mechanics, Null-Cord arrives to destroy any ships that attack a sufficiently important Null-Bear in low-sec. I think Null-Cord needs to be nerfed into the ground. According to risk/reward Null Bears are to safe in Low Sec.
Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:47:00 - [13] - Quote Andski wrote: hisec: markets, risk averse publords afraid of leaving the "comfort zone" lowsec: dead, midpoints, only a handful of active systems and they are chokepoints npc nullsec: people live here? sov nullsec: the only part of the game worth playing in wormholes: way too much tedium for a video game Yeah, we gotta nerf NPC Null more to drive people into our sucky alliance! CCP SoundWaffe is on the job.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4165	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:47:00 - [14] - Quote miners saying "nullbears" is hilarious "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4165	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:48:00 - [15] - Quote but please continue to contribute to this thread with your worthless opinions "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:49:00 - [16] - Quote Doctor Ungabungas wrote: 0.0: The place where I live, it has everything I need. Low Sec: A place where I can relax, no bubbles. High Sec: A place where I'll probably be killed by wardec alliances. Don't worry, CCP Soundwaffe is taking care of that!
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 943	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:50:00 - [17] - Quote Posting in a non-massive thread with "massive" in its name. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members!
Elise DarkStar Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 319	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:50:00 - [18] - Quote Andski wrote: but please continue to contribute to this thread with your worthless opinions "psychotic" worthless opinions an important distinction
Iamien Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 135	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:51:00 - [19] - Quote Null-bear
Metal Icarus xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire 147	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:55:00 - [20] - Quote 0.0: Home sweet home. Can kill people, can kill rats, can harvest PI and moon goo. People want to f- with you? kill them. Low: No bubbles, great for cynos and quick market purchases. easier to move through with a cov-ops frig. High: its like a high school. People talking about doing things only for someone to lose all their money in the end. WH: Its both full and empty. When u find a C3 that is populated then its like u got into a fortress. When it is empty, you find the floating remnants of the people before.

Romar Agent Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.05.09 17:57:00 - [21] - Quote Highsec: relaxed place where I conduct most of my business Rookie systems: just another system, I dock there to buy skillbooks then and now Lowsec: a little more thrill, a little more stress, manageable with preparation, but no incentives to conduct business there Nullsec: never been there, open Null seems to be divided up, and I have no interest to work for others, may visit NPC Null one day WH space: never looked at the mechanics
Just Alter Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 101	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:03:00 - [22] - Quote Andski wrote: hisec: markets, risk averse publords afraid of leaving the "comfort zone" lowsec: dead, midpoints, only a handful of active systems and they are chokepoints npc nullsec: people live here? sov nullsec: the only part of the game worth playing in wormholes: way too much tedium for a video game Npc nullsec is cool as fuark. Reminds me of the worst part of town. The place where the failures and the rejects can find a bit of solace and rest a bit before being brutalized by the neighboring alliances; all the while thinking " ~* repost this if you're a beautiful strong pilot who doesnt need no sov *~ ".
Wille Sanara Felador night Corp 5	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:11:00 - [23] - Quote High sec: Do whatever you want, noone limits you and you are pretty much safe unless you are stupid. Low sec: Do whatever you want, but be smart. Otherwise you are toast soon. Null sec: You can do only what those guys, which you pay taxes/rent/whatever allow you to do, otherwise you will get your stuff stolen, your assets locked, your body killed etc. Wh: Been there just few times, but seems like low sec without local and stations and with possible bubbles. I have enjoyed nullsec most when we were renters with one of my old corporations, that had just few members. We paid every month and we were able to have fun and do everything. All other null sec alliances want taxes, mandatory ops all the time, you MUSST refine in their stations, you CANT export your stuff, you CANT mine those r8/r16/r32 moons etc etc...null sec needs huge powerblocks removed and needs to be consisted from much smaller blocks, that even a single corporation with 10-20 members has got a real chance to play there without being sucked out of isk and resources from powerblock. Low sec is good in my opinion, got popped few times, but when you know you can get popped, you are ok with that. I just dont see the point in having asteroid belts here, since its impossible to mine there without being popped real quick (Isk/risk ratio balance?) High sec: High sec is ok, I think its working as intended. I believe theres more space for punishing gangers and generally players with low security status, so they cant move so freely, but thats another chapter. WHs: As said, dont know much. Just an opinion of this alt
Hroya 42	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:18:00 - [24] - Quote High sec: Gets boring at times. Needs nerfing to make it less worthwhile for everyone. Also is to big. Low sec: Yarr! Cat and mouse games. Keeps the fun up but needs more attention to make it more enjoyable. Wh's: Fortresses after a long period of build up. Some broken aspects that make it meh while the no local is fun on the other hand. Null Sec: It's not what i hoped it to be. Less self sufficient due to convinience of high sec trade etc then i would have liked among things. You go your corridor but.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 88	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:19:00 - [25] - Quote Wille Sanara wrote: Null sec: You can do only what those guys, which you pay taxes/rent/whatever allow you to do, otherwise you will get your stuff stolen, your assets locked, your body killed etc... I have enjoyed nullsec most when we were renters with one of my old corporations, that had just few members. We paid every month and we were able to have fun and do everything. All other null sec alliances want taxes, mandatory ops all the time, you MUSST refine in their stations, you CANT export your stuff, you CANT mine those r8/r16/r32 moons etc etc...null sec needs huge powerblocks removed and needs to be consisted from much smaller blocks, that even a single corporation with 10-20 members has got a real chance to play there without being sucked out of isk and resources from powerblock. Sounds like you were in the wrong bloc. They aren't all like that.
Elise DarkStar Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 319	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:32:00 - [26] - Quote Wille Sanara wrote: All other null sec alliances want taxes, mandatory ops all the time, you MUSST refine in their stations, you CANT export your stuff, you CANT mine those r8/r16/r32 moons etc etc. Utterly false. Really, the amount of misinformed **** that gets regurgitated on this forum...shameful really.
Fredfredbug4 The Scope Gallente Federation 287	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:49:00 - [27] - Quote Rookie Systems: Feels like paradise (for a rookie) but give a false impression to new players as to what EVE really is. Hi-sec: Feels like modern day America. It's nice and stuff but more people are trying to make more things illegal. You are being watched 24/7. Low-sec: Feels like a third world country. Crime is rampant but nobody gives a damn to do anything about it. Militias fight over worthless territory much like they do in third world nations. Would be a nice place to be, but all of the first world countries (hi-sec) drained it of resources. Null-sec: Truest to what EVE is and what it's advertised as. Anything you want to happen can and eventually will happen in Null-sec. It's the true sandbox. WH Space: Kinda creepy itself and the people you find there are also a off. Total isolationism. Life there seems to echo life in Vault 101. "We are born in the wormhole, we live in the wormhole, we die in the wormhole."
Wille Sanara Felador night Corp 5	Posted - 2012.05.09 18:52:00 - [28] - Quote I guess there may be some blocks which dont do that, unfortunately I have been in several alliances in last couple of years and I have seen it everywhere. If there was more freedom in one aspect, there was less freedom in other one. And never seen complete freedom. Even renters need to usually follow lot of rules if they want to live in null. And those rules make even renting for small corporations basically unacceptable, since the rent is usually much higher than whats 10 guys able to make per month in a crappy system (without moon access, with refining allowed only in the alliance outposts with nasty taxes etc...). Sorry, its just my point of look. Of course I am more industry based so I am not looking a lot on aspects like pvp (but yeah, I have been in several major battles as well). I actually like to do some pvp ocassionally, but the amount of mandatory pvp in big alliances is sometimes also annoying.
Radelix Cisko The Adjustment Team 87	Posted - 2012.05.09 19:25:00 - [29] - Quote Hi-sec: I did my time there and regularly visit to conduct business and keep my freighter somewhere central Lo-sec: Did some time here and have a secondary home in on e of the more populated systems. Making more regular runs to conduct more business. neg sec status people tend to pay a premium for goods if they need them quick Null-sec: Never been, Want to head out that way at some point. WH: home sweet hidden home. Where I manage and construct my wares for fun and profit
Nylith Empyreal Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.05.09 19:31:00 - [30] - Quote 0.0 : Wont leave station systems without backup. Low: Won't engage without backup. Highsec: Wont undock without backup. WH: No backup. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here."



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