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Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:33:00 - [31] My solution is typically to bring back the original intention of MWDs. Add a 90% lock range and scan resolution penalty. There we go, every pvp ship in EvE will get more powerful as the various strengths and weaknesses in speed come into play more. ABs were always supposed to be the combat propulsion modules, not MWDs. Even now, the difference between them is silly. Using an MWD, a ship that is supertanked, can move faster than the same ship fitted for speed and using an AB. Who wins the theoryfight? The MWD of course. This whole idea of going ultra fast is what did more damage to EvE as a game on the whole than it ever helped. People want to be able to get out of a dumb decision with little effort. I'd bet that pvp on the whole would be vastly more fun with no MWDs. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:34:00 - [32] Today on a LFA roam we managed to take out a Vagabond,a Jaguar and an Ares, All of whom tried to MWD back to gate (and these aren't slow ships). The gang in the OP was Severely lacking in tackle, One ship is not enough, I'd say three is the minimum if you want a decent chance.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:38:00 - [33] Quote: Frigates should have a very high chance, cruisers intermediate, battlecruisers rarely, and battleships never (IMO). That's pretty much how it is with a competent camp.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.05.12 23:34:00 - [34] Edited by: Nyphur on 12/05/2009 23:37:37 Originally by: TraininVain Just saying that there are higher scan res options available (higher than a Battleship) even to the blinky red crowd. A BC would work fine for tackling/scramming too. Since they added the scram to the tackle equation it's a tool I think most gangs should bring given the choice. Again, it's not a matter of scan res. When gatecamping, most targets will appear outside the range of webs and short range scrams. You need a fast ship to get in range before they can build up speed with the MWD. I've been caught before in an mwd'ing HAC but you have to get the short scram and web on within seconds of the ship decloaking to prevent them building up sufficient inertia. EDIT: Or bring several fast-locking tacklers and spread them around. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.13 00:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Nyphur Again, it's not a matter of scan res. When gatecamping, most targets will appear outside the range of webs and short range scrams. You need a fast ship to get in range before they can build up speed with the MWD. I've been caught before in an mwd'ing HAC but you have to get the short scram and web on within seconds of the ship decloaking to prevent them building up sufficient inertia. EDIT: Or bring several fast-locking tacklers and spread them around. An alternative solution might include the use of certain recon or electronic attack ships which not only have the potential to lock very fast but also can throw a scram or web out to a quite reasonable range... -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.05.13 00:58:00 - [36] Edited by: Nyphur on 13/05/2009 01:00:59 Originally by: Becq Starforged Originally by: Nyphur Again, it's not a matter of scan res. When gatecamping, most targets will appear outside the range of webs and short range scrams. You need a fast ship to get in range before they can build up speed with the MWD. I've been caught before in an mwd'ing HAC but you have to get the short scram and web on within seconds of the ship decloaking to prevent them building up sufficient inertia. EDIT: Or bring several fast-locking tacklers and spread them around. An alternative solution might include the use of certain recon or electronic attack ships which not only have the potential to lock very fast but also can throw a scram or web out to a quite reasonable range... Again, this line of thought started with talk of lowsec gatecamps. Recons will need either a big gang or RR support to tank sentries and electronic attack ships can forget about it. 0.0 or war gatecamps are another beast entirely, and interceptors etc are all perfectly feasible ships to use here. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 02:14:00 - [37] Not op, just a noob camp. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.13 03:36:00 - [38] MWD'ing back to the gate when faced with a GC fielding one tackle ship? Why am I not surprised?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.13 06:10:00 - [39] You got through one ****ty camp and now want to make sure that you'd never get past them?. Yeah. Right. No. Buzz Off. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.13 06:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: ZinderX500 So OP is basically saying that if the gate campers fail/don't care, we must make it easier for them ? No, what I am saying is that unless you have three guys fit with full tackle the odds of me being in a spot where I can get two MWD pulses off before they get my MWD disabled is high. So you are saying that gate campers fail, then, because that would be the only explanation for needing that much tackle. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Khalm Pyydys	Posted - 2009.05.13 06:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Asuka Smith ... For ** sakes. Whatta is this trend that people come cry nerfs when they actually success in game and survive? I just hate this ing overpowered discussion. Go back to warcraft and cry about those rogues or something. AND STOP USING THE **ING MWD IF YOU WANNA GET DESTROYED. AND AFTER THAT GTFO OF THE FORUMS. (very mature of me) ---
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 07:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Asuka Smith MWD back to the gate overpowered? No. No its not. The gatecamp you found just failed. Any competant gatecamp would have killed you.
Travarica	Posted - 2009.05.13 07:30:00 - [43] What you talkin bout??? All that was needed to be done was 1 ship not to get agro, and jump with him to the other side. Plated BC sure won't warp quickly enough and if he trys to go back to gate again.....well gang is waiting on other side. If you failed to kill 1 bc with gate camp....well, you just fail.
Mallikanth	Posted - 2009.05.13 07:30:00 - [44] The game mechanics are not broken. You did nothing wrong. The Gate Camp did. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.13 07:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Asuka Smith No, what I am saying is that unless you have three guys fit with full tackle the odds of me being in a spot where I can get two MWD pulses off before they get my MWD disabled is high. A 1600mm plated Myrmidon only takes two pulses to get back to the gate, which I think needs to change. Well it's a good thing then that the incoming agility change will have some effect on reapproaching gates as well... ---
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.05.13 09:02:00 - [46] this is more of a sad sign on how crap webs are even on web specialised ships rather than a problem with the mwd. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.13 09:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Raimo Originally by: Asuka Smith No, what I am saying is that unless you have three guys fit with full tackle the odds of me being in a spot where I can get two MWD pulses off before they get my MWD disabled is high. A 1600mm plated Myrmidon only takes two pulses to get back to the gate, which I think needs to change. Well it's a good thing then that the incoming agility change will have some effect on reapproaching gates as well... They're changing it again? The only agility changes that have been planned recently came in with apoc 1.1 ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
BOOYA MOFO	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:40:00 - [48] teh troll...durrr...

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