Tippia, I believe I requested that you figure out the population split between NPC Null, which receives things like the Drone Nerf, and PC Alliance Null, which receives things like Moon Goo, several days ago.

Did you forget?

Can you give me an example of a value accumulation system which doesn't require player interaction to continue accumulating value after value is extracted, but does have a defined end time, but is still "passive" in your sense?

Never heard of it. What does that have to do with anything?

I feared as much.

You entered scary space and had one of the Goon zombies suck your brain out, didn't you?

What the hell are you on about?

Have you even read what you've posted in this thread?

The evidence of a Goon zombie attack is there for all too see. Inability to understand the common definition of words, a loss of basic listening function...

At least you haven't started muttering "tinfoil, tinfoil... tiiiiinnnnnnnfoil" in that horrible moan they have.

Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.

Have you even read what you've posted in this thread?

What the hell are you on about?

You are either pretending to not know what he means or are looking for a bait point.

They say it's about passive income when what they really mean is it's high sec income.

CCP seem to be trying to create a New Eden that has minimal to no resources left inside the empires.

Yes. The question remains: what the hell are you on about? You are making absolutely no sense.

Do you want some kind of answer? To what? Why? In what context? What does it have to do with anything?

If RP only accumulated when you're online.

Just because you have decided some arbitrary definition of passive

For most people, hitting "Install Program" and "Submit" once every 14 days to collect PI is passive.

Your definition of "passive" isn't what Soundwave was trying to "fix" either.

The point was never about "passive" income as you define it.

Okay, bizarro world hypothetical examples aside, are there any systems which work like that ingame at the moment?

The point was never about "passive" income as you define it.

Not that I can think of.

Never heard of it. What does that have to do with anything?.

Passive income must die.

No, I'm asking him what he's on about since he suddenly sprung a question on me from out of nowhere and presumed I had an answer.

You mean side from them wanting to fix all kinds of passive income?

No, they seem to want to create a New Eden where the rewards any particular area has to offer is somewhat on par with the risks involved in living in that area. As for moving things out of empire space, no, or they wouldn't have chosen to move bulk RP production to factional warfare.

BPO - Cost is mine, absorbed
run copies - Cost absorbed

Copy requires 2 types of datacore to invent x 2 each
I run 6 Invention jobs at a time. (All skills related to the blueprints are 4 and 5)

Cost of datacores is 200K each average. (If I get those datacores myself, I still count them as cost assuming I had bought them)

24 datacores every time I run inventions. Once a day for me, they take 12.5 hrs and I can't be arsed to log in at 4 in the morning to restart them. 4.8 mill in datacore costs to run. On average I get 2 that come out, 4 will fail. Some times 3, once I even got 4 but the stamp is on 2 of 6 or 33% suckcess. That's 2.4 million ISK per invention in cost, before materials.

You guys can do whatever you want to datacores. That cost is built in to the price of the T2 Items I build. If my margin isn't met, the item will sit in the hangar until I can sell it at a profit and I won't make more above that cost. If that additional cost is doubled, so be it. My price margins are based on market value of the cores. I don't care what I paid for them, that's the only way I can manufacture and sell and not turn the entire market in to a reproc mule.

Keep in mind, every hr of the day people are being a carebear they are not being a PvP l33tboi. While you say you don't like passive income, your actions also say you don't like carebears. So try talking out of one side of your mouth or the other and stop with all the rhetoric. Everything I just showed you is passive income. You think I actually farm my mats? No, I assure you I don't. Its all passive income and it won't change because you guys made datacores active income: ie: more carebearing.

Hope that helps.

So why would you introduce a system which encourages merely logging in?

Research Agents are every bit as active as PI or Invention

I don't buy that whole risk and reward crap.

Then you should bug report it, because I have never been forced to restart my R&D agents like I have with my PI, nor have I been forced to (re)set them up or load them with resources like I have with my PI and invention. Unlike PI and invention, R&D agents require zero interaction to keep accumulating their output.

As I stated, the fundamental difference between an extraction/P1 planet and R&D agents is the temporary nature of the PI setup versus the perpetual nature of RP accumulation.

So the basic change required to make R&D "not passive" would be to switch to projects which will eventually stop.

No, the fundamental difference is the amount of participation required: none for RP accumulation GÇö it's passive GÇö a variable amount for PI. The reason RP accumulation is changed is to introduce an element of participation GÇö to no longer let it be passive.
I don't particularly care. As mentioned, that's a different matter.

It is the same thing

Now you get to tell me how they are not the same thing. Please explain carefully, since I am easily confused.

GǪaside from one of them requiring no input and being passive, and the other requiring active supervision and input.

I am not sure what you are missing in this scenario.

So you're botting? Are you quite sure you want to admit to that as openly as you just did?

After all, how else do you copy those BPOs passively? How else do you invent the copes passively? How else do you move the data cores to where they need to be? How else do you manufacture from the BPCs passively?

No, of the stuff you listed, only the accumulation of RP is passive income.

YOUR ARE TEH DUMB

So theyre getting rid of PI? Moon Goo as well?