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Juanathan Caille University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.05.09 23:16:00 - [1] - Quote Profit margins so low. :( More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals.
Deamos Dev Null Development and Holdings 122	Posted - 2012.05.09 23:19:00 - [2] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: Profit margins so low. :( More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals. Perhaps you are doing it wrong. A good chunk of my manufacturing cycles are T1 and I make good ISK.
Haulie Berry 47	Posted - 2012.05.09 23:27:00 - [3] - Quote Deamos wrote: Juanathan Caille wrote: Profit margins so low. :( More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals. Perhaps you are doing it wrong. A good chunk of my manufacturing cycles are T1 and I make good ISK. ^^ This guy is right. There is definitely money to be made on T1.
Juanathan Caille University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.05.09 23:45:00 - [4] - Quote Deamos wrote: Juanathan Caille wrote: Profit margins so low. :( More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals. Perhaps you are doing it wrong. A good chunk of my manufacturing cycles are T1 and I make good ISK. What an obvious troll reply.
Juanathan Caille University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.05.09 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote You guys are not very helpful.
Haulie Berry 47	Posted - 2012.05.09 23:51:00 - [6] - Quote Well, just how much hand holding are we supposed to provide, exactly? Are we supposed to tell you what to make? Because about 90% of manufacturing and production in Eve is determining which items are profitable to make. The other 10% is managing your supply chain. So, what would be "helpful" in this context? Doing 90% of the work for you? Am I going to receive 90% of your profits? Experienced producers telling you, for a fact, that there is money to be made in T1 is very helpful if you stop to think about it for a moment. It has been confirmed for you that you could be making money on T1. Since you are not making money on T1, you now know that you need to do some market analysis to figure out which items you should be making. Unhelpful would be, "Yes, you're right - just give up, don't even bother."
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 684	Posted - 2012.05.10 00:02:00 - [7] - Quote How to manufacture Tech 1 items with profit I earn between 750m and 1.5b per month from production of one T1 item, and using 5 assembly lines.
Juanathan Caille University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.05.10 00:17:00 - [8] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: Well, just how much hand holding are we supposed to provide, exactly? Are we supposed to tell you what to make? Because about 90% of manufacturing and production in Eve is determining which items are profitable to make. The other 10% is managing your supply chain. So, what would be "helpful" in this context? Doing 90% of the work for you? Am I going to receive 90% of your profits? Experienced producers telling you, for a fact, that there is money to be made in T1 is very helpful if you stop to think about it for a moment. It has been confirmed for you that you could be making money on T1. Since you are not making money on T1, you now know that you need to do some market analysis to figure out which items you should be making. Unhelpful would be, "Yes, you're right - just give up, don't even bother." Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no **ing ** right? There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you. Thank you Tau for actually being helpful, as usual. o/
Deamos Dev Null Development and Holdings 122	Posted - 2012.05.10 00:33:00 - [9] - Quote I hate to tell you, but manufacturing is much like doing station trading or even cross-regional trading. Nobody is going to tell you what they are doing because it cuts in to their own profits. There are resources out there if you look hard enough and think instead of complaining. Yes, there are T1 items that are not profitable. Yes, there are items that are. Use that thing that is sitting on top of your neck. I will explain it easy: Summation (Materials * cost) = Cost to Produce Market Value - Cost to Produce - Fees and Taxes = Profit Profit / Time = ISK per Hour Now take a look at the market, what seems to be moving and making profit. If both are true, perhaps you should make it. Hope this helps, but this is more than you deserve.
Kusum Fawn State War Academy Caldari State 53	Posted - 2012.05.10 06:47:00 - [10] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no **ing ** right? There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you. I just wanted to quote this, Internet tough guy creates tear thread, receives advice, is back to tough guy. man, eve is amazing sometimes, Btw, my post is also unhelpful to the op in terms of hand-holding or pointing in the right direction, you going to threaten me too? Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Sutskop Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 67	Posted - 2012.05.10 08:53:00 - [11] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: Profit margins so low. :( More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals. I am sad about posters like this.
Invictra Atreides Toward the Terra 76	Posted - 2012.05.10 09:31:00 - [12] - Quote I also have some minerals left that where bought at high prices a while ago. Not much profit to be made for me today. Maybe I should sell them for a little loss and buy a Hulk. Blog \|-áTutorials \| Youtube "I donGÇÖt know everything, I just know what I know."
Janet Hope Circus Of Flying Lion 2	Posted - 2012.05.10 09:55:00 - [13] - Quote I dont run any serious manufacturing yet, just little things to stockpile for corp use... But what i have understanded its like real life market, not everything is proftable to manufacture/sell everywhere... Trick is to find correct things to manufacture. Yes its not easy, i have strugled on this myself as well,but have managed indentify couple things i can allready make for profit even with pe skill at 4 and unresearched bpo. Can only imagine how much there is to build if you got well researched bpos and pe-skill at five.
Mmily Ylimm Metoanen 6	Posted - 2012.05.10 10:29:00 - [14] - Quote One thing I found having a reasonable profit margin when I started out on manufacture was ammo. You will be amazed how much over the trade hub prices people would be willing to pay for the ammo to be located convieniently to where they are missioning or hard to get to systems. I guess you cannot put a price on laziness. Although this takes some research to where it is selling well which only you can do yourself. Everyone posted so far has tried to help you OP. Obviously no one is going to give you exact details on how they can make good profit on certain items otherwise everyone will be doing it, the market would be flooded and margins would go down. Tech 1 items will never have a big margin as anyone can make them with very little training involved. Manufacturing and trade is mostly about reward for the effort, time and training you put in. Good luck with that
Xuixien Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance 30	Posted - 2012.05.10 15:29:00 - [15] - Quote Kusum Fawn wrote: Juanathan Caille wrote: Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no **ing ** right? There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you. I just wanted to quote this, Internet tough guy creates tear thread, receives advice, is back to tough guy. man, eve is amazing sometimes, Btw, my post is also unhelpful to the op in terms of hand-holding or pointing in the right direction, you going to threaten me too? For some reason I thing your perception is just a [b]liiiittle[b/] bit off-center there. Rabble Rabble!!
Katja Faith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2012.05.10 15:35:00 - [16] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: You guys are not very helpful. EveO doesn't have an Easy Button. Git off yer butt, do the research, and figure out what sells and what to make in your market area. Nobody here is going to tell you WHAT to sell and WHERE to sell it.
Xuixien Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance 30	Posted - 2012.05.10 15:54:00 - [17] - Quote Katja Faith wrote: Juanathan Caille wrote: You guys are not very helpful. EveO doesn't have an Easy Button. Git off yer butt, do the research, and figure out what sells and what to make in your market area. Nobody here is going to tell you WHAT to sell and WHERE to sell it. EVE is serious business guys. Rabble Rabble!!
Kusum Fawn State War Academy Caldari State 57	Posted - 2012.05.10 16:20:00 - [18] - Quote Xuixien wrote: EVE is serious business guys. oh yeah sure, i didnt post anything helpful, but then internet tough guy stance is a funny one to take. especially when its responding to a post that wasn't designed to troll. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 47	Posted - 2012.05.10 16:24:00 - [19] - Quote You won't get any specific suggestions from manufacturers on this board as nobody wants to encourage more competition or give away trade secrets. All I can say is: Look at trade volume and supplies of sell orders. Low volume generally indicates a less popular ship/module, and thus lower margins. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Debiru Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers 10	Posted - 2012.05.10 17:44:00 - [20] - Quote I started the 2nd week of April with 1b ISK and made 600m profits. I started May, 10 days ago, with 1.5b ISK and have made 500m profits so far. I only do T1.

Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 687	Posted - 2012.05.10 18:00:00 - [21] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: Thank you Tau for actually being helpful, as usual. o/ An additional thing to remember about T1 production is that it is so darn simple. You can train an alt to do it in a very short amount of time (hence my 5 assembly lines, as I only have Mass Production 4, and I can't build T2, so I use alts to build everything else). Then you start a month long job and forget about it. The hardest part of T1 production is the selling of the items. The "good" ones have a very competitive market, so don't expect to sell your entire stock in one shot; it could take several days of playing leap-frog. Keep in mind that if it took you a month to build, it is likely going to take a while to sell too. Don't be obsessive about undercutting either, as in the long run you are just killing the market. If you chose an item with good trade volume, your stock will sell even if it isn't always the lowest priced. I think that perhaps a lot of people are just too impatient, and "want ISK nao!" I don't think anything in EVE industry is good for instant gratification; that sounds more like just station day-trading to me. If you are looking at ships, then realize everybody and their granny wants to build ships, and do. The real ISK is in building other items; probably stuff you yourself use all the time, as do many others in EVE.
Xioden Acap Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity 17	Posted - 2012.05.11 13:11:00 - [22] - Quote I heard there is a ton of profit if you mine your own minerals, since that way they are free.
Reverend Cletis Synister Mynisters 6	Posted - 2012.05.11 14:27:00 - [23] - Quote reaches for popcorn.....
Magnus Masimuss Doesn't Afraid Of Anything 0	Posted - 2012.05.11 16:55:00 - [24] - Quote Are you high or do you look at the profit margins and think that because the profit on one item is 10m and that on another item it is 1m that the majority of T1 productions margins are too low? Please tell me what you are trying to build and how you acquire your minerals? On a slow day I can average 60m in T1 production. On days that I work from home and can check my orders and deliver my jobs once an hour I can make an easy 200m. Two weekends ago I made 400m just in ship production and sales. You are doing it wrong.
Celery Man Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United 42	Posted - 2012.05.12 00:45:00 - [25] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: Well, just how much hand holding are we supposed to provide, exactly? Are we supposed to tell you what to make? Because about 90% of manufacturing and production in Eve is determining which items are profitable to make. The other 10% is managing your supply chain. So, what would be "helpful" in this context? Doing 90% of the work for you? Am I going to receive 90% of your profits? Experienced producers telling you, for a fact, that there is money to be made in T1 is very helpful if you stop to think about it for a moment. It has been confirmed for you that you could be making money on T1. Since you are not making money on T1, you now know that you need to do some market analysis to figure out which items you should be making. Unhelpful would be, "Yes, you're right - just give up, don't even bother." Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no **ing ** right? There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you. Thank you Tau for actually being helpful, as usual. o/ TL:DR - OMG DO MY WORK FOR ME YOUR SUCH A JERK In all seriousness, your a complete moron. Quit Eve, your not smart enough to make a go of it. And to be clear, the bar is pretty godamn low. People just think its high because mouthbreathers like you.
Viktor Rios Necessary Technologies 0	Posted - 2012.05.12 23:46:00 - [26] - Quote Celery Man wrote: In all seriousness, your a complete moron. Quit Eve, your not smart enough to make a go of it. You're.
teh ubernesstrader Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.05.15 11:16:00 - [27] - Quote im with tau on this one, alot of players see ships as the big want, think about the numbers. 1 ship contains multipul fittings you need to just look at the web at fittings for popular ships and get a general idea i would start with that ships are big money but they are also alot more minerals to make and smaller margins due to the fact that there are hundreds of people thinking exactly the same thing and trying to do what you was thinking. take your time and tbh i would make sure you have money to start with and a way of researching or getting hold of researched BPO's because tbh without them your not going to make much or be competetive. this is a long haul end of....... dont think its quick cash because that aint happening either you need to invest. also think about cutting deals with friendly mining corps to get better deals on materials if you havent got 5 guys mining belts and eating them alive 24/7 or a way to obtain high end materials post around on the forums if you dont get a reply you know your deal isant good enough ( again be patient with a responce ) the way to get around this if you do not have access to it is to start looking at areas as mentioned allready in this post that have none or very little supply in the things you are looking to make. for example how people who sell isotopes at the entry points to empire for people to fuel their cyno generators or fuel for caps to jump back ...... again i doubt a whole lot of research will make you aware of what can be possible or what to make and where to put it you looking for a customer thats the goal to looking around, who will want what your making. im not going to tell you what to make or where to sell it but as a general rule you want a good base setup to get anywhere. hope this helps.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 366	Posted - 2012.05.18 05:01:00 - [28] - Quote Juanathan Caille wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: Well, just how much hand holding are we supposed to provide, exactly? Are we supposed to tell you what to make? Because about 90% of manufacturing and production in Eve is determining which items are profitable to make. The other 10% is managing your supply chain. So, what would be "helpful" in this context? Doing 90% of the work for you? Am I going to receive 90% of your profits? Experienced producers telling you, for a fact, that there is money to be made in T1 is very helpful if you stop to think about it for a moment. It has been confirmed for you that you could be making money on T1. Since you are not making money on T1, you now know that you need to do some market analysis to figure out which items you should be making. Unhelpful would be, "Yes, you're right - just give up, don't even bother." Unhelpful is exactly what you did. "You must be doing it wrong." Yeah well no **ing ** right? There's something wrong with you. There's nothing "hand holding" or "90% of the work" about pointing someone in the right direction. Seriously check your attitude before someone checks it for you. Thank you Tau for actually being helpful, as usual. o/ Excuse me, but this is the best you'll get. All we can give you is general direction on what you need to do on a basic level. For profit reasons, we will never disclose our trade secrets. This means you have to open that spreadsheet and do some actual homework and research. I know I had to. It's called trial and error and every one of us experts had to go through that phase regardless. Even if someone does give you the trade secrets, don't take it so happily as it could be a trap to make you lose more ISK (ie: scam). Ever seen Jita Scammers? Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Implying Implications Broski Enterprises 57	Posted - 2012.05.18 08:13:00 - [29] - Quote If you want t1 production to be profitable you have to be prepared to mine your own minerals.
Cold Burrito Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.05.18 21:06:00 - [30] - Quote You'll need a few things: 1. Spreadsheet 2. Math 3. Patience Now you're ready. Go to the market and start checking the build cost of things. When you find one that has profit, check volumes, locations with orders, number of individual orders, manufacturing plants in the area (hint: Don't expect much near Jita). Now, I'm going to play into the stereotype and talk about Rifters. Let's say you find out that you can make 50k/unit on Rifters. That's AMAZING! 1000 sell per day in this region OMG I found my calling! But wait, there's more! Rifters take 1 hour 30 minutes to make... With 10 assembly lines working that's...10M/day. Ok, not too bad, but now you're stuck with 200 Rifters/day in your hanger to sell (and if you don't have a freighter, moving 200 Rifters to a sell spot every day sucks). Meanwhile, Viktor von Module over there is making stuff with build time of 5 minutes and is making 25k isk/unit and can move his day's stock in a Mammoth. You will have to do your research to find out what sells and what doesn't. There are many factors in play, but my advice is to stick with a region and a group of items and follow the market for a while.

Haulie Berry 76	Posted - 2012.05.18 23:07:00 - [31] - Quote Implying Implications wrote: If you want t1 production to be profitable you have to be prepared to mine your own minerals. Not sure if trolling or stupid. People always say to bet on stupid, though.
Debiru Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers 11	Posted - 2012.05.19 17:46:00 - [32] - Quote There is quite a bit of bad advice being given in this thread. Lets start with this one; teh ubernesstrader wrote: im with tau on this one, alot of players see ships as the big want, think about the numbers. 1 ship contains multipul fittings you need to just look at the web at fittings for popular ships and get a general idea i would start with that ships are big money but they are also alot more minerals to make and smaller margins due to the fact that there are hundreds of people thinking exactly the same thing and trying to do what you was thinking. Ships are primarily fit with Meta 1-4, or tech 2 modules. Basic, Meta 0 Tech 1 modules are not used very much on ships at all. In fact, tech two producers are a very large demographic when it comes to consumers for tech 1 items, because they can use them for their tech 2 production. With changes to loot drops it should become more profitable for them to build the T1M0 themselves, but that doesn't mean M0 will be any more prevalent in ship fittings. There are thousands upon thousands of missioners in EVE, and most of them salvage. We have enough Meta 1-4 modules to satisfy ship fitting demand, and Meta 1-2 are usually as cheap or cheaper than M0. You have to be very careful about doing Module production, as much of it won't give you enough profits to take you from a starting industrialist to a med-tier industrialist. Taking a year to make your first billion isn't the way to go. Yes, ships are heavily produced, but they also tend to keep their profit margins intact for the most part, and you can diversify very easily. Starting industrialists should focus on building destroyers and cruisers if they want to get into ship production. A hundred million ISK is more than enough to start up on that, and ships are better than many other types of production you can get into. teh ubernesstrader wrote: this is a long haul end of....... dont think its quick cash because that aint happening either you need to invest. Pretty damn quick from my experience. Investing 1 billion, you can easily make 50m a day. Get a freighter and all that only takes 1-2 hours of work a day. Possibly less depending on how you set up your production. Implying Implications wrote: If you want t1 production to be profitable you have to be prepared to mine your own minerals. Worst post in this thread. I invested 1.5b and I made 1b in 15 days. I bought every bit of my minerals from Market. And not Jita market either.
Mavnas The Scope Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2012.05.21 22:00:00 - [33] - Quote Sutskop wrote: Juanathan Caille wrote: Profit margins so low. :( More ISK/hour to just sell the minerals. I am sad about posters like this. Why? They reduce competition.
Arcticblue2 Nordic Freelancers inc 44	Posted - 2012.05.22 10:37:00 - [34] - Quote Implying Implications wrote: If you want t1 production to be profitable you have to be prepared to mine your own minerals. That is just stupid, minerals mined is not cheaper than minerals bought !!! because if you sell it you would get the same amount of isk. Mining your own minerals is not free mineral, your time cost money !!!


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