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Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 19:33:00 - [1] I see some great people from major alliances and respected industrialists but absolutely no mention of any policys to help make mission running more fun or to help shield the mission running player base from the ill-informed outrage of people who read a statistic and never do any research. Note I did not say more profitable, nor did I imply that mission running was a 'pro' profession. I play eve on a casual basis these days and that normally means I pick the odd mission up and do not have the time for five hour 0.0 ops where not a lot happens for four hours and we have one hour of actual combat. I'm not here to pick a fight, in the past I have tried everything from pvp to PoS management and all are valuable parts of the economy, I am here to ask why mission runners don't have anyone they can vote for who will throw them a bone instead of a point us out as a major problem? However, I admit that I haven't read every blog going as a few of them are still under construction and others are just a sad mess without any pretense of organization(I expected better Omber Zombie) but I read enough to understand that the majority of CSM candidates are flogging their own pet project or attempting to support their alliances interests. Having reviewed the candidates, why should I vote? to help improve lowsec space? to help the criminal minigame? to improve the experiance of suicide ganking? All those above <cough> worthy issues have CSM candidates supporting them....
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 19:36:00 - [2] ...because there are candidates already that lean that way?
Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 19:41:00 - [3] Ironic, a troll calling others a troll.... I just wish to address a valid point that a significant percent of the player base is getting no representation. You however have no point. Go away.
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 19:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel Ironic, a troll calling others a troll.... I just wish to address a valid point that a significant percent of the player base is getting no representation. You however have no point. Go away. I'm not a full-time troll, I just saw the opportunity. As for a large part of the playerbase not having representation, the same could be said for the "criminal element" of EVE, corps like mine, pirate corps, etc. Mission runners are usually fine with backing the industrialists, and there was a missioner (I think) on the last CSM (not sure though, didn't pay too much attention.) If you really want a mission runner, go ask Drake Draconis or something, maybe you two would have some common ground.
Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 19:58:00 - [5] I have no problem with Criminal elements having representation... and a good thing it is that you have at least three pirate candidates to chose from, mission runners have none. That is my point, if you are unhappy with the representation for your profession I would sugesst you mention it in the crime and punishment forum. Side with the industrialists? maybe but I'm not backing them just for all our mod drops to vanish because they want us mining for Veld etc. They have a diffirent focus to the game. Frankly its the same as me suggesting pirate corps side with 0.0 alliances because all you both do is blow up ships, a very narrow view that is ofc wrong.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel That is my point, if you are unhappy with the representation for your profession I would sugesst you mention it in the crime and punishment forum. Oh hi guys, what's going on in this thread? Tchell Dahhn Founder, Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service Founder, Suddenly Ninjas We're Recruiting!
Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:18:00 - [7] I find it amusing indeed that today I find two members of your corp jumping into my missions (hope you enjoyed that Recon part 3 as much as I did) and now you are attempting to ninja a thread.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 13/05/2009 20:30:05 What the members themselves do is irrelevant. What matters is what issues the members of the CSM bring up or support. If there is no such person that works to fix critical problems, then run yourself. But since you seem to be wondering why such issues aren't brought up much-Combat PVEers get enough attention. Look at wormhole space. Look at the boost given to lowsec ratting. How about the epic mission arcs (the first of which was geared towards newbies, but more are coming)? Oh, and have you ever looked at The Drawingboard? Quote: Objectives Expanded Recon, Escort, and ôCombat Courierö mission types will add a little more variety to the existing staples of ôkill, kill, kill some moreö and the occasional milk-run. Agent Orange This is a total overhaul from the ground up of the entire agent missions system/concept ù slightly more ambitious than the previous entry, but much needed. This is all despite the fact that EVE is a PVP game and thus most developer effort focuses on that. Just because you choose to don't know about the new content planned, and ignore the new content that's already implemented, doesn't mean there's a problem. Tell me, what crippling issues do you think should be brought up that CCP isn't already looking at?
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel I find it amusing indeed that today I find two members of your corp jumping into my missions (hope you enjoyed that Recon part 3 as much as I did) and now you are attempting to ninja a thread. Attempt? Pfft, we've succeeded. Expect more Ninja replies soon. You were asking for it.. Frankly, I'm also surprised that you didn't bring this up in General Discussion since this is more a question for that forum. While I can understand that you may be unwilling to side with a pirate/industrial/0.0 alliance, it's not really that big of a deal. Like my corpmate said.. If you feel that your interests aren't being represented, run yourself.
Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 13/05/2009 20:30:05 What the members themselves do is irrelevant. What matters is what issues the members of the CSM bring up or support. If there is no such person that works to fix critical problems, then run yourself. But since you seem to be wondering why such issues aren't brought up much-Combat PVEers get enough attention. Look at wormhole space. Look at the boost given to lowsec ratting. How about the epic mission arcs (the first of which was geared towards newbies, but more are coming)? Oh, and have you ever looked at The Drawingboard? Quote: Objectives Expanded Recon, Escort, and ôCombat Courierö mission types will add a little more variety to the existing staples of ôkill, kill, kill some moreö and the occasional milk-run. Agent Orange This is a total overhaul from the ground up of the entire agent missions system/concept ù slightly more ambitious than the previous entry, but much needed. This is all despite the fact that EVE is a PVP game and thus most developer effort focuses on that. Just because you choose to don't know about the new content planned, and ignore the new content that's already implemented, doesn't mean there's a problem. Tell me, what crippling issues do you think should be brought up that CCP isn't already looking at? Wormhole space, more a boost to Piracy and Industry than mission runners I think. Planned additions.... this may surprise you to hear but three years ago CCP was all excited and showing off tech demos for atmospheric flight. In short I love to read these wonderful ideas but holding my breath for them is futile. Especially when there is no-one running for CSM who will try and push for them. Pie in the sky and 'we are talking about it' from CCP are not things to pin firm hopes on in the past, now you want me to stfu because they mentioned them as possible future plans? When I get a surplus of isk I would very much like to move into pvp again and yes, I am aware that is the core focus of the game. Indeed I wish the terms and mechanics for true economic sanctions turning a true political, economic and warfare based pvp could be introduced so pvp wouldn't feel so two dimensional but the we still lack people to push for this exciting new content to be pushed forward.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel However, I admit that I haven't read every blog going as a few of them are still under construction and others are just a sad mess without any pretense of organization er.... isnt thats your problem. if you had actually read about the candidates you would see that a few have mentioned that they have been and are experienced in missions. im not a supporter of the CSM and nor do i believe that they represent any of the community and are more self motivated than anything else but this year i voted for chip* as in true new eden style he bribed me for my vote. that said it isnt up to the CSM to push their personal issues its up to the new eden community to speak out in the relative forums and even pm the electorate and make their voices known. it is then the job of the CSM to support the community. IF you feel that your voice isnt heard or that missions arent given any support you believe they deserve then maybe you should stand for CSM next year. Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:50:00 - [12] Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel I find it amusing indeed that today I find two members of your corp jumping into my missions (hope you enjoyed that Recon part 3 as much as I did) and now you are attempting to ninja a thread. Attempt? Pfft, we've succeeded. Expect more Ninja replies soon. You were asking for it.. Frankly, I'm also surprised that you didn't bring this up in General Discussion since this is more a question for that forum. While I can understand that you may be unwilling to side with a pirate/industrial/0.0 alliance, it's not really that big of a deal. Like my corpmate said.. If you feel that your interests aren't being represented, run yourself. Alas, if I had the time to run for CSM and the time to do the post justice I wouldnt be wasting my time running missions
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel I find it amusing indeed that today I find two members of your corp jumping into my missions (hope you enjoyed that Recon part 3 as much as I did) and now you are attempting to ninja a thread. although tears can be a little trollish and thread hyjackin *****es i sometimes feel that they often have a small point albeit put across badly.
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:53:00 - [14] Edited by: JordanParey on 13/05/2009 20:52:58 Originally by: Mikal Drey Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel I find it amusing indeed that today I find two members of your corp jumping into my missions (hope you enjoyed that Recon part 3 as much as I did) and now you are attempting to ninja a thread. although tears can be a little trollish and thread hyjackin (nice guys) i sometimes feel that they often have a small point albeit put across badly. We really aren't that bad, but sometimes the only way to combat abrasiveness and trolling on the forums is to be an ass and troll threads yourself.
Sanctus Gabriel Caldari Forsaken Industrys	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:58:00 - [15] Edited by: Sanctus Gabriel on 13/05/2009 20:58:17 Originally by: Mikal Drey Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel However, I admit that I haven't read every blog going as a few of them are still under construction and others are just a sad mess without any pretense of organization er.... isnt thats your problem. if you had actually read about the candidates you would see that a few have mentioned that they have been and are experienced in missions. im not a supporter of the CSM and nor do i believe that they represent any of the community and are more self motivated than anything else but this year i voted for chip* as in true new eden style he bribed me for my vote. that said it isnt up to the CSM to push their personal issues its up to the new eden community to speak out in the relative forums and even pm the electorate and make their voices known. it is then the job of the CSM to support the community. IF you feel that your voice isnt heard or that missions arent given any support you believe they deserve then maybe you should stand for CSM next year. Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC Experianced in missions? yes fine, whatever.... from the blogs it is very clear that regardless of their past experiences they now have other agendas they focus on. Hell, if its about what you have experienced.... I have been a Merc, a 0.0 alliance member, I helped build an outpost and guarded the freaking egg for hours, I have run my own PoS, I bought my first Moa off Verone before I know he was a pirate, Ive ganked and been ganked.... and loved every minute of it. But my current focus is missions because thats what I have time for now... Show me an alliance or group of people who I can pvp with and have fun with that level of commitment. Honestly, I wouldnt trust anyone in a pvp corp who could spare about an hour a day max, not in this age of spys and generic scum.... Looks like the joe normal working casual like myself is stuck with pve.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:58:00 - [16] Originally by: JordanParey We really aren't that bad, but sometimes the only way to combat abrasiveness and trolling on the forums is to be an ass and troll threads yourself. i understand and the forum fustrations can often **** all of the more experienced guys off. especially as most of us actually understand what this game is all about etc etc and can see outside their own little corner of the sandbox.
Lian Xander Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.05.13 21:13:00 - [17] Okay ... This sounds more like "Mommy, I want my way .... waaaa .... why can't I have my way?" Seriously though, if you read a little more and look into what the CSM's "platform" (w/e) is, you'll see there are plenty of carebear ones out there. Pick one you like and join their campaign. But you don't seem like the type to do so ... nope, so instead - create a post about nothing, whine all the way through it and only get reactions from almost everyone in the same corp! WIN! First of all, Kahega is correct ... simply put - if you see a need, fill a need! Sign up, run for your own cause, create your own platform ... jump off the bridge you crawled out from under - I don't care. I personally don't participate with the CSM's or any of their "ideals" (again, w/e) - but that's just me, I play EvE my way and found a group with similar intentions .... Enough of this post, complain elsewhere (or not at all preferably), and get a clue ________________________________________________
Elithria Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 21:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Sanctus Gabriel Alas, if I had the time to run for CSM and the time to do the post justice I wouldnt be wasting my time running missions How about you stop wasting our time and stop posting.
Chip Mintago ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 21:39:00 - [19] I'm running for the CSM and I hope I can help! I've no idea what they'll think of it, but if I'm fortunate enough to be elected to the council I hope to propose two-role missions. Think of the existing missions as one-role missions. An agent offers a mission to a pilot, who by accepting it fils the 'role', all the roles are filled, so the mission starts, and the pilot hands it in when he's completed it. The idea for the two-role mission is to have a small number of missions come in two versions. Two seperate agents, usually agents from oposing factions, offer their versions of it to pilots. When both roles are filled, both pilots have a mission, with it set-up (by using short time frames) so they're likely to come into conflict, or otherwise interact over the course of the mission. --------------- Visit Chip Mintago's CSM campaign site at: http://www.sevenextraeyes.org/eve/index.html
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.13 22:16:00 - [20] Quote: Wormhole space, more a boost to Piracy and Industry than mission runners I think. "Missionrunning" is more of a subprofession of PVE combat. Sleepers (And the new AI) are an addition to PVE combat. A big one. Quote: Planned additions.... this may surprise you to hear but three years ago CCP was all excited and showing off tech demos for atmospheric flight. In short I love to read these wonderful ideas but holding my breath for them is futile. Of course. They evaluate something and decide whether it's worthwhile or not. Quote: Especially when there is no-one running for CSM who will try and push for them. 1) Expansions and new content existed before the CSM. 2) I repeat: If you don't think there are any good candidates, run yourself. Quote: When I get a surplus of isk I would very much like to move into pvp again and yes, I am aware that is the core focus of the game. Indeed I wish the terms and mechanics for true economic sanctions turning a true political, economic and warfare based pvp could be introduced so pvp wouldn't feel so two dimensional but the we still lack people to push for this exciting new content to be pushed forward. Explain to me how what is in bold can be accomplished by changing missions.
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.13 22:18:00 - [21] Lark is the candidate for you.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.05.13 22:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Qui Shon on 13/05/2009 22:40:59 Just out of curiosity, why is this thread full of Suddenly Ninjas? Why is the OP being given a hard time, instead of a concrete example of a candidate he could choose, by those who think his point is not legitimate? (Bar the post above this one) Is the kiddie corner, aka C&P, locked for the day or something?
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.13 22:45:00 - [23] A mission runner candidate could very well harm their life style.
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.05.13 23:34:00 - [24] Originally by: JordanParey Edited by: JordanParey on 13/05/2009 19:37:07 Go back under your bridge? Don't you have billy-goats to harass or something? Nah, harassing you folks is more fun. Even if the billy-goats smell better. BTW, where's Tchell's CSM nomination? Did it get ninja'ed away? Or is he an alt of one of the other candidates?
Lian Xander Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.05.14 00:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 13/05/2009 22:40:59 Just out of curiosity, why is this thread full of Suddenly Ninjas? Why is the OP being given a hard time, instead of a concrete example of a candidate he could choose, by those who think his point is not legitimate? (Bar the post above this one) Is the kiddie corner, aka C&P, locked for the day or something? Not sure how the thread had so many SN postings ... rather curious. Anyway, I don't think that the OP is really being given that much of a hard time here - at least not like in the ways I've seen capable in these forums; however, if you feel that a reaction of that magnitude is unwarranted, that is your opinion (and you're welcome to it). In my opinion, I feel that if the OP took a few more moments to look up a few more things, perhaps he/she would've found what they were looking for all along. It would seem that there are indeed some CSM's that are looking out for his ideals (and others). I don't play in that aspect of Eve (the CSM that is) so I wouldn't know who is who. Just stop complaining about something that you don't have full knowledge on (especially when you openly admitted it), that's what I'm saying. ________________________________________________
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.14 03:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 13/05/2009 22:40:59 Just out of curiosity, why is this thread full of Suddenly Ninjas? Why is the OP being given a hard time, instead of a concrete example of a candidate he could choose, by those who think his point is not legitimate? (Bar the post above this one) Is the kiddie corner, aka C&P, locked for the day or something? Naw, C+P sucks lately, so we're branching out into other sections of the forums. That, and we have a small forumwarrior division As for Tchell's candidacy.. Tchell is not an alt. That is his main. He was, unfortunately, busy with RL at the time candidacies were being put up in Assembly Hall. He still shows up to help us troll from time to time
Reangorette Bianie	Posted - 2009.05.14 14:53:00 - [27] I wasn't going to reply, but the poster makes a valid point. I think everyone has seen Clear Skies 1 & 2 -- if missions had a bit more of the excitement and continuing story line of those videos then mission running would seem like less of a drudge. The epic arc seems to be a start in the right direction, but if WIS does really come about then missioning could become more open. I second the posters call for a PVE -- roleplay representative on the council.
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.14 15:32:00 - [28] Missions ( and PvE in general ) and PvP need to converge, it'd be considerably better for the game if you went at both with the same mindset. A rep who was working at that convergence from the PvE side would be someone to back. A rep who's mostly concerned with making missions into funfair shooting galleries with ISK prizes probably isn't the best bet, but that's what people who run missions purely for ISK would want. Suddenly Ninjas livelihood depends on missions, I think they have a right to be here :P
Lian Xander Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.05.14 15:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Reangorette Bianie ... I second the posters call for a PVE -- roleplay representative on the council. hmmmm .... Quote: I'm running for the CSM and I hope I can help! I've no idea what they'll think of it, but if I'm fortunate enough to be elected to the council I hope to propose two-role missions. Think of the existing missions as one-role missions. An agent offers a mission to a pilot, who by accepting it fils the 'role', all the roles are filled, so the mission starts, and the pilot hands it in when he's completed it. The idea for the two-role mission is to have a small number of missions come in two versions. Two seperate agents, usually agents from oposing factions, offer their versions of it to pilots. When both roles are filled, both pilots have a mission, with it set-up (by using short time frames) so they're likely to come into conflict, or otherwise interact over the course of the mission. Found your man .... ________________________________________________
Lian Xander Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.05.14 15:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Von Kapiche Missions ( and PvE in general ) and PvP need to converge, it'd be considerably better for the game if you went at both with the same mindset. A rep who was working at that convergence from the PvE side would be someone to back. A rep who's mostly concerned with making missions into funfair shooting galleries with ISK prizes probably isn't the best bet, but that's what people who run missions purely for ISK would want. Suddenly Ninjas livelihood depends on missions, I think they have a right to be here :P I like this guy ..... ________________________________________________

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