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jita BEAST
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:34:00 -
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I was comparing the four carriers as I have just started a capital alt. I would like to get some feedback from experienced players, eft is not experience, on which carrier you would prefer. I have come to the general conclusion that the various carriers are very similar and the other ships they unlock matter more. I don't like a shield tank so I won't be going the chimera route.
gallente - neut domi without training any guns
amarr - t2 guns opens up a good fleet BS and is close to a good dread.
minmatar - carrier with rep bonus is sweet, but minnie BS suck.
chimera - shield tanking carrier is for losers
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:39:00 -
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So your conclusion is all carriers are the same and you like the amarr battleships?
Parrots, commence!
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: glas mir on 14/05/2009 00:56:27
I agree. which race you have BS matters more than the carrier.
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Flycksie
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:05:00 -
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Thanatos: Yuck, 25% fighter damage at Carrier V? Bad tank, you'll probably get primaried.
Nid: Amazing carrier, fills the carrier role the best as an amazing logistics ship. You'll also probably get primaried.
Archon: Decent carrier, nice tanking bonus, good rep bonus, all around good.
Chim: Same as Archon, however it only gets a bonus to shield repping, and not many gangs will utilize that to its fullest.
The carriers are all about the same, you're less likely to die in a cap fight with the archon and chimera because you've got a slightly better tank and are less beneficial than the Nid.
Go for the race of BS you like the most.
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jita BEAST
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:09:00 -
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so which race BS is best then?
amarr dread is considered best right?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:13:00 -
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 Originally by: jita BEAST
so which race BS is best then?
amarr dread is considered best right?
Naglfar is considered worst, and about to get a boost. Other than that all dreads and carriers are pretty similar, but with different applications.
As for carriers, I guess Thanatos is a bit behind the rest(rather useless skillbonus and no real advantage) but they're all close enough to work anyway.
Parrots, commence!
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: jita BEAST
so which race BS is best then?
amarr dread is considered best right?
"best" is relative, at best. (har har har)
Anyway; the Revelation and the Moros are generally thought to be most useful, for different reasons. The Naglfar is getting a boost but still have some issues, while the Phoenix, well, suffer in the same regard as missiles in bs fleets. No instant damage = gimped by default.
Looking at it from purely that perspective, Amarr probably has the best carrier+dread combination. On the other hand, you never know what future FotM's will bring. The only battleship that been good "always" is the Domi. The rest has fluctuated a bit back/forth over the years.
At the end of the day, the best choice you can do is probably to train the race you think you'll find most fun to fly. Cap training takes alot of time, so training FotM there is a pretty crappy idea. 
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
The Empire Nation
Dead Mans Hand
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:02:00 -
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heres a quick summery:
Thanatos: better damage, worse tank
Nidhoggur: better logistics, worse tank
Chimera/Archon: better tank, worse damage + logistics
motherships roughly follow carrier trends.
Dreadnaughts:
Moros: blasters give best point blank range DPS. best cap killer. best at fending off smaller ships thanks to drone bay.
Revelation: no need for ammo. best anti-POS dread, since it can fire 24/7.
Naglfar/Phenoix: more or less useless, due either to excessive training times for poor payoff, or pre-gimped weapon systems respectivly.
be aware the naglar is about to get rebalanced, i you are considering dreads long term as well, wait till we find out how the nag performs before making your decision.
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prefectro
Minmatar
Amok.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:09:00 -
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blah blah blah, if you are starting brand new then it is a no brainer, go with the Amarr carriers. Ignore those that incorrectly believe all ships are perfectly balanced.
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abrasive soap
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:28:00 -
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archon - second best tank, much more cap stable than the chimera, remote armor reps are more common than shields
chimera - best tank, people DO fit remote shield reps in most large cap gangs, least cap stable
nidhoggur - useful rr bonus but confused slot layout
thanatos - useless damage bonus to fighters that doesn't apply to assigned fighters, confused slot layout
in terms of usefulness:
archon is all around best
chimera and nidhoggur are near each other
thanatos easily coming in last
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:58:00 -
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If its a brand new char then get a jump clone and stick that clone in high sec with +5's training your nav skills. Keep looking at what you what to do with your carrier and if you want to fly dreads as well.
I would look real hard at Gal or Amarr as they have armor tanking and guns. I'm sorry but I do not believe that the Devs can do anything to fix that fact that torps take time to get to their target and guns are instant damage.
PS I know this is about carriers but with so many of the skills cross over you HAVE to look at the dreads as well.
And get your jump skills up to 4/5/4
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Murtific
Caldari
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: jita BEAST
chimera - shield tanking carrier is for losers
Shield tanks are the best tank in Game. Although I fly a Thanatos and armor tank it (which is 1000 dps less of a shield tank thanatos), chimera has the best tank and is cap stable of all the carriers. Cap stability in your carrier is key while remote repping.
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:13:00 -
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Why does everyone keep saying that the Chimera sucks in fleets, because it shield tanked? Depending on the fleets, there should be a pretty even balance between shield and armor logistics. There are 3 of 4 carriers that have bonus to shield transfer range, so i do not see the problem..
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:36:00 -
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Problem isn't as much that there aren't any shield transports in fleets but that chimera itself can only fix other ships shields and not armor. So it will end up helping other people tanking less unless thanny and niddie pilots also fit shield tanks. Many people are fitting one RST in nidhoggurs and thanatoses when in fleet and 2 armor RR mods.
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: abrasive soap
archon - second best tank, much more cap stable than the chimera, remote armor reps are more common than shields
chimera - best tank, people DO fit remote shield reps in most large cap gangs, least cap stable
You have no idea how to fit a Chimera then. Proper Chimera fits have a higher peak cap recharge rate than an Archon will.
Also, the Archon has the worst cap recharge time so it takes the longest to build up cap before jumping. I like to laugh at the Archon pilots giving cap to Thannys and Niddys because they confuse cap recharge rate with recharge time.
Your overall assessment is, however, pretty accurate. If everyone in fleets tanked split their tank evenly then the Archon and Chimera would be pretty well matched; given the apparent preference of armor tanking in PvP, the Archon takes top slot followed by the Chimera. The Niddy and Thanny both tend to get primaried first due to their lower resists making them easier to kill, but the Niddy at least has a useful bonus so it wins out over the Thanny.
Mind you, this ranking is for small-to-medium sized engagements; once you get into the huge 200+ pilot slugfests that are becoming more and more common in 0.0 you'll just get primaried alphabetically by pilot name and any carrier will die in a few seconds so your choice doesn't really much matter.
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