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Serj Reaper
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.15 17:54:00 -
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A sentinel is what you are looking for. It can go around as fast as the vagabond, so it keeps it pointed. It won't be hit by the vaga if it stays around 20km away with 2x tracking distrupts with optimal range scripts. It can pop the vagas drones with its own, and it slowly drains the vagas cap. Killing a vaga in a 1 on 1 would be doable but take forever, the best would be to tackle it like was said above for a couple minutes then have a dps ship warp on you and tear the vaga apart. |
honey bunchetta
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:17:00 -
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1. A Curse or rapier would do it but its doubtful the vaga will engage them.
2. A combo of a warp scrambler (the one that kills MWD's) and web on a ship that is setup to tank the vagas dmg types may stand a chance depending on the range he orbits, or the agility and piloting of the ship using the web/scram (IE: pull him in close enough to get the scram on him and kill his mwd).
3. Nuets could either drive him off or allow you to tackle him and kill him depending on the ship you have them fitted to (could also be effective when used with the web/scram combo).
4. Using ECM drones that are fast enough to keep up with him will at least give you a chance to escape if you are aligned and spamming your warp button when they get a jam cycle off. They can also reduce his DPS if you choose to stay and fight by periodicaly jamming him.
Knowledge of his fit and tactics will help.
1. Try to remember what range and speed he orbits you at.
2. Check his corps killboards or battleclinic ect for any loss mails so you can see exactly how he is fitted. IE: his gun type and their max range along with ammo type (for your tank), and if he is just shield extended or using a hardener (for the best dmg type to use against him).
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Renesis Maximus
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:49:00 -
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Wow...well, I think I finally found a use for the hawk!?!?!
No WAI!!!
Anyway, get a fleet setup to get rid of him, have they hawk sitting all by his little lonesome and bat him. The hak has a pretty nice tank, which is it's only strong point. Fit it with a booster, boost amp, MWD, and Scram and armor tank in the lows ( I know it's a dual tank, but we are going for buffer here). Scram him and then have the fleet warp to your location, at which point the hawk can limp back home...
I swear, this is the first time I thought the hawk could be worth something... I'm a Caldari Gunner. Deal with it. |
666Devious
Sinister Elite Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:49:00 -
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the vagabonds enemy is the sacrilege. i would recommend a cheap faction web for the extra range if are not skilled at PvP.just let him get into his 19km orbit range like most dooverload your micro and web and 2 point him. Other ship that will take for ever to kill it but works is the arazu. Get recon 5 tho. use a domination 2 point and u can hold him at a stand still from 27km away when over loaded.
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Renesis Maximus
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Renesis Maximus Wow...well, I think I finally found a use for the hawk!?!?!
No WAI!!!
Anyway, get a fleet setup to get rid of him, have they hawk sitting all by his little lonesome and bat him. The hak has a pretty nice tank, which is it's only strong point. Fit it with a booster, boost amp, MWD, and Scram and armor tank in the lows ( I know it's a dual tank, but we are going for buffer here). Scram him and then have the fleet warp to your location, at which point the hawk can limp back home...
I swear, this is the first time I thought the hawk could be worth something...
orrr...if you have more isk than brains, you could try a t3 cruiser...lol I'm a Caldari Gunner. Deal with it. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar OVERLOAD. Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.05.15 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/05/2009 21:44:47
Originally by: RiotRick
Also 2 blaster taranis will kill vaga without a problem:
ion blasters mwd, -2 scram, web damage control, magstab, overdrive
Along these lines. Basically any frigate sized ship with a scrambler and mwd will reliably tackle it, and once the drones are dead (AFs or the ranis rip them apart) he is completely defenseless.
Quote: orrr...if you have more isk than brains, you could try a t3 cruiser...lol
Actually, the Loki if fit properly is just the perfect counter in a single ship that almost guarantees the kill.
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Theo Faron
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Posted - 2009.05.16 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Theo Faron on 16/05/2009 03:25:53 Edited by: Theo Faron on 16/05/2009 03:25:34 Speaking as someone who's been around the block a few times on both sides of the ganker harassment scenario, I just want to say that this:
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow If you've got a skilled raider that you don't want to or can't deal with...
Don't loose to him, the ganker in him will love it. Don't give him a good fight, the gamer in him will be challenged by it. Make evey fight an overwhelming victory or a hopless stalemate. He'll get bored & go away.
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You won't kill him if he's got half a brain, but he won't kill you either.
is absolutely the most effective advice in this whole thread.
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Veebora
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:16:00 -
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That would be my try to solo the Vagabond.
Hard to get in range but you can bait him to approach enough.
So circle him 500mts, kill the drones first and enjoy Vaga meal after this.
Even webbed you can go 500m/s that with the tracking disruptor is more than enough to speed tank the Vaga.
[Jaguar, VagaFriend] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Co-Processor II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.16 05:37:00 -
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pretty much anything with instant, medium to long range damage will counter the vaga. or make him run. sentry ishtar, zealot, harbinger...anything along those lines really. scram and neuts will guarantee you the kill. vaga is basically only good for picking off frigates, noobs in cuisers, and tackling.
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.16 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/05/2009 21:44:47
Originally by: RiotRick
Also 2 blaster taranis will kill vaga without a problem:
ion blasters mwd, -2 scram, web damage control, magstab, overdrive
Along these lines. Basically any frigate sized ship with a scrambler and mwd will reliably tackle it, and once the drones are dead (AFs or the ranis rip them apart) he is completely defenseless.
Quote: orrr...if you have more isk than brains, you could try a t3 cruiser...lol
Actually, the Loki if fit properly is just the perfect counter in a single ship that almost guarantees the kill.
ive never seen a competent vaga pilot lose to a frigate. it's just not possible.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar OVERLOAD. Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.05.16 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 16/05/2009 06:51:50
Originally by: UMEE
ive never seen a competent vaga pilot lose to a frigate. it's just not possible.
Thats because the competent pilots have neuts.
About 90% of the vagabonds I see are utter failfits though, no problem killing those in an AF or ranis as they simply will do no damage once the drones are gone.
Cant hurt to try it with frigs, doesnt cost much and its worth a ton of points on the killboard
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Mr Blue
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.17 11:01:00 -
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just warp a "ratting" domi with 2 or more heavy neuts top.
****ed me up once
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King Dave
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.18 06:31:00 -
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Best plan would be this:
Have a massively passive tanked drake sit in a belt. Let the vaga warp in, then logoff the passive tanked drake so the vaga goes in close to get max dps. THEN DOOMSDAY HIM!
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Stratigic
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Posted - 2009.05.18 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Stratigic on 18/05/2009 09:35:40
Originally by: Midnighter Edited by: Midnighter on 15/05/2009 12:59:32 Edited by: Midnighter on 15/05/2009 12:59:16 There is sadly no single-ship counter to a Vagabond,
you know, i always thought a vega vs vega would be interesting, although if their both nano, (which they will be) the fight will eventually orbit off the grid untill sombody dies
would make your day if you were fighting a vega in a vega huh?
would be even more interesting if you tried to watch and keep up
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.18 10:09:00 -
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sacrelidge everytime
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.18 10:36:00 -
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A Paladin could probably pull it off...with a lot of time to chew on him. And assuming he would even engage.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Wiaf
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: RiotRick Edited by: RiotRick on 15/05/2009 14:12:48 Also 2 blaster taranis will kill vaga without a problem:
ion blasters mwd, -2 scram, web damage control, magstab, overdrive
overheat your guns from the start.
A solo pilgrim will also do the trick if you can get him tackled.
Yeah if you manage to warp at the vaga 0km. If the vaga pilot has half a brain hell nail you apart from distance before you can even scram off his mwd...
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reborn sacrelidge everytime
No. Vaga will just disengage.
Originally by: Anubis Xian A Paladin could probably pull it off...with a lot of time to chew on him. And assuming he would even engage.
I know you're joking, but read above.
Originally by: Veebora That would be my try to solo the Vagabond.
A decent vagabond pilot, which seems to be the OP's case, would have a med neut that would ruin your day.
And no, you won't bait him to approach. He does enough DPS at 20km to pop you in seconds, why would he risk being scrambled?
Originally by: UMEE vaga is basically only good for picking off frigates, noobs in cuisers, and tackling.
Tell that to my BS kills. Seriously, anything buffer fitted (or with ****ty active tanks) that can't hit the vaga (or do any significant amount of damage, like most BCs) and doesn't have heavy neuts will eventually go down. Of course, help from a single ship will save you, but if you're caught solo in a BS, you deserve to die to a frigate.
As stated, Sentinel is a good choice for a pure 1v1, but you have to consider the possibility of having the Vaga overload his MWD and trick you into getting to med neut range. That and 2 optimal scripts are not enough to kill its DPS. 150-200 DPS at 20km is still enough to pop a sentinel. You're far better off orbiting with tracking scripts.
And no, huginn and rapier can't take vagas anymore. Their DPS:buffer ratio is well below any Vagabond's. At best you'll escape, but if he knows what he's doing, he'll just burn towards you and by the time you realize the *********, you're dead.
The problem is that the ships that can take the Vagabond with ease (buffer lach, curse, etc.) will have a hard time catching him.
As for the person that suggested 2 taranis: No. Simply no. Even if one of them doesn't pop while trying to catch the Vagabond, they'll both be neuted and popped rather quickly. 3 of them, maybe, but you'd still have to be lucky. Bring 4 and you've got yourself a kill.
I realize this post sounds like a massive 'nerf me' attempt, but it's not. Vagabond can barely kill anything. It's only advantage is speed, which makes it a great solo ship. And if you know wtf you're doing, you won't die to it in any similar or bigger ship.
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sahtila
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:14:00 -
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Easiest solution is almost any BS with 2-3 heavy neutralizers, point and mwd. Go belt and bait.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: sahtila Easiest solution is almost any BS with 2-3 heavy neutralizers, point and mwd. Go belt and bait.
Disengage. You might get lucky and kill his cap before he gets the first MWD cycle and then hope he doesn't turn it on between your own neut cycles, but from my experience fighting neut domis, disengaging is extremely easy.
You have to keep in mind that battleships, when MWDing, still are slow as hell. If you're going 600-700m/s while the vaga is 450m/s, do you really think you'll cross the 10km or so before he gets a mwd cycle off?
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Cracken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:51:00 -
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You could try try a dual heavy neut blaster gankathron dual neut's + scrambler only problem is hitting a cruiser with bs sized blasters so you might need someone in a frigate with a tp.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Neacail on 18/05/2009 14:59:00
Originally by: Cracken You could try try a dual heavy neut blaster gankathron dual neut's + scrambler only problem is hitting a cruiser with bs sized blasters so you might need someone in a frigate with a tp.
As I stated in my previous post, that might work with a BS that actually has some range. I mean, how do you expect to get the vagabond in scrambler range? Hitting him after that will be easy, due to the Mega's tracking bonus combined with the Vagabond's attempt to fly away. The problem is catching him, something that would only happen with luck or, if you want to throw isk at the problem, a commander scrambler or faction web.
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Cracken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:29:00 -
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most vagas fit ac's and they used too have a paper thin tank not sure whether that's changed or not.
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:43:00 -
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You have to get the vaga to engage you first, also if he is mwd'ing at you its your best chance to overheat your MWD point and use the dual heavy neuts
Infact the best BS i have had success with killing the vagabonds has been a dual neut cruise raven. But it takes a bit to kill them, so if at a gate they may have a chance to disengage.
Its all in how you balance your neuts. hit him with 1 wait 4-5 sec and hit him with the second. Then stagger them between 6-7 sec intervals
Even then sometimes they still get away and disengage. And the best bet is just to get them bored, since vaga pilots are usually looking for the easy gank/killboard stats ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cracken most vagas fit ac's and they used too have a paper thin tank not sure whether that's changed or not.
ACs with 30km falloff. 24k EHP tank. Seems enough to disengage to me. They never had any reason to go in scrambler range, that is just stupid.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:51:00 -
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AML Cerb with painter, sensor booster, rigor and flare rigs and faction missiles. 175 mil frig killer yo. Asuming he's a ****** and hangs around. CHeaper variant would be a buffered Caracal.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo AML Cerb with painter, sensor booster, rigor and flare rigs and faction missiles. 175 mil frig killer yo. Asuming he's a ****** and hangs around. CHeaper variant would be a buffered Caracal.
You do realize we aren't talking about frigs, right?
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Damnskippy
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Posted - 2009.05.18 18:14:00 -
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I've had tons of success with this fit:
http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,36999.msg187517.html#msg187517
You can switch out the sansha webs for Gallente navy, since they're cheaper and you only lose 1km in the range.
A curse will do it for a lot cheaper though, but smart vaga pilots run from them.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Damnskippy I've had tons of success with this fit:
http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,36999.msg187517.html#msg187517
You can switch out the sansha webs for Gallente navy, since they're cheaper and you only lose 1km in the range.
A curse will do it for a lot cheaper though, but smart vaga pilots run from them.
Indeed, this will easily catch most vagabonds off guard due to the overloaded web range. But when I see a Sacrilege that wants to fight me but doesn't have me pointed when I orbit him at 20km, I try to stay as far away as possible.
I mean, if the guy really wants to kill me, I don't think he'll try to run if I keep shooting him at 22km. Once I see his tank breaking, I go in and make sure he doesn't run. And in reality, the 'standard' Sacrilege fit can usually tank me for as long as cap boosters last, so I don't like engaging them either.
However, a similar concept could be applied to a ship that is a much easier kill for a Vagabond, such as a brutix, deimos, ishtar, nomen, etc.
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Damnskippy
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Neacail
Indeed, this will easily catch most vagabonds off guard due to the overloaded web range. But when I see a Sacrilege that wants to fight me but doesn't have me pointed when I orbit him at 20km, I try to stay as far away as possible.
I mean, if the guy really wants to kill me, I don't think he'll try to run if I keep shooting him at 22km. Once I see his tank breaking, I go in and make sure he doesn't run. And in reality, the 'standard' Sacrilege fit can usually tank me for as long as cap boosters last, so I don't like engaging them either.
However, a similar concept could be applied to a ship that is a much easier kill for a Vagabond, such as a brutix, deimos, ishtar, nomen, etc.
Yeah, I should have mentioned it only works well once the vaga pilot commits to attacking you in an orbit around 20k or so. Good vaga pilots can still just kite you until back-up arrives or they get bored and leave.
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