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Tosh Lines
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Posted - 2012.05.11 09:38:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk. For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously.
There is absolutely no logical reason for having the entry fee in PLEX other than to increase demand and therefore the price. It would simply be much easier to have it paid in ISK as normal.
While microtransactions with Aurum may have died a death, the marketing thinking behind it lives on as strong as ever.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:03:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Tosh Lines wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk. For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously. There is absolutely no logical reason for having the entry fee in PLEX other than to increase demand and therefore the price. It would simply be much easier to have it paid in ISK as normal. While microtransactions with Aurum may have died a death, the marketing thinking behind it lives on as strong as ever. Or maybe CCP has decided that they need to recoup some of the costs of running an event like this, you know like they said in the damn dev blog, and asking for the entry in PLEX is the simplest way to do that. Take your tinfoil off and actually think about it from a business perspective for once.
That makes no sense, I am looking at it from a business perspective.
You can still pay entirely with ISK, but you have to convert it to PLEX and take 10 PLEX of the market per alliance. Thus increasing the demand - when 60+ alliances enter thats 600+ plex bought up in Jita, it has an effect on supply which appears to be the entire point of the exercise. Prices go up, people see the generous ISK return for PLEX and are more interested in buying ISK CCPs legal way.
It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this? |
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:12:00 -
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"hey guys, we want each team that wants to play to pay $175 USD for the privillege, it's ok though, we've got a great way of disguising it. btw get premium stream for just 3 plex, get your limited edition ingame "I watched EveTV" T-shirt for 2 plex - check www.plex.com inbetween bouts for more outstanding offers"
Hi CCP, I play your game therefore it's your business duty to extract absolutely every single dime possible from me. Don't worry about broken mechanics, carrier/orca docking for example, you can fix those in 2018, it'd only take 5 minutes anyway so really no point doing it now. |
Tosh Lines
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:44:00 -
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You've misunderstood Lazarus.
It's the artificial inflation of PLEX prices by CCP that is growing wearysome.
600 PLEXes disappearing from market in one swoop will keep PLEX artificially high and there will be plenty more "offers" at regular intervals keeping them high. It's not about the cost for tournament entry, I don't care if CCP want to charge $175 by the back door for it. Don't like it don't enter. What I don't like is them shifting it also into inflated PLEX prices
This makes it more attractive to those who wish to $=>ISK. Something I've never agreed with in the first place and now it's littered with madcap schemes and offers.
Meanwhile relatively simple things that need fixing are completely ignored.
The Orca thing I mentioned kinda ruins low sec, people camp in Tech3s ontop of an orca. If they don't like their odds they just dock in the orca and have it jump safely into highsec where it cannot be attacked, except by suicide squad. It's totally safe, protects expensive ships and skill loss. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP don't even know what I'm talking about, but I'm damned sure they can correctly tell me the price of Plex in Jita down to the 2 decimal places. |
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:09:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:Have you missed that the AT is on the weekends and isnt interrupting game development time at all ? No I haven't. Why is it that you might think I had?
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:32:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead.
I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september. |
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:49:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:Tosh Lines wrote:Lazarus Telraven wrote:But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead. I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september. Great :) i am intrigued to find out what they have to say about it because in Null Sec you will see carrier blobs supported by Tech3 cruisers for tackle storing and reboarding their ships when they get primaried and since the ship is stored it renders the target taking no damage and the only way to stop it is to smartbomb/kill the POD before they can get into a new ship. edit: also keep in mind with all of the new features/modules/etc coming out with inferno soon that a lot of CCPs time is going into making sure they have the kinks worked out of those so i wouldn't expect to much immediately but i dont see it being 4 months!
In low sec you can't even kill the pod as the orca's sitting ontop of the gate so smartbombing isn't an option. Also no bubbles and pods virtually instawarp. Zero way to counter it, but hey, if you want PvP watch the tournament eh? |
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:54:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote: Oh please, take your head out of your arse for two seconds and actually think about this rationally.
Firstly it's not the teams participating who pay but the people who buy the PLEXs the teams use to pay their entry fee, one does not necessarily equal the other, perhaps you forgot that you can buy PLEX off the market? Secondly expecting CCP to eat the full cost of running and streaming the tournament simply because they have done so in the past is not only breathtakingly arrogant but completely stupid to boot. Businesses have to adapt to changing circumstances and given all thats happened over the past 18 months or so them deciding the cost of running the alliance tournament at the scale the players wanted it was something they couldnt completely cover on their own just seems like a sensible decision to me. As an aside I challenge you to organise and run a tournament on a similar scale with full TV quality commentary and live streaming and see how much it would cost you before you start running your mouth about how evil it is to charge an entry fee you dont even have to pay if you're smart about it.
Thirdly for the people who think this will break the plex market even if every competing alliance buys all their entry PLEX from the market on the same day as someone upthread pointed out its still less than half the number of plexes that get traded in a single day of typical market activity Thats not breaking a market, thats a minor blip at best.
It's physically impossible to fit my head up my own arse, however you're clearly having no problem shoving yours up CCPs.
1. I have absolutely no concerns over who pays, I'm not in an alliance, I'm not participating, I do not care who actually pays. What I care about is the PLEX cost in ISK being artificially bumped upwards by CCP at every opportunity possible. That affects me, when I have zero interest in the tournament, just like I had zero interest in fanfest and the devblogs which caused a blip in the PLEX prices because of the offers and feeds.
2. As I said, I don't care about the cost of the tournament. It's a bunch of people doing "PvP" in fixed situations without the usual stupidity that you would normally encounter in real circumstances. To me, to broadcast it is just insulting. I mentioned the SMB in earlier posts, but to use another example - neutral remote reppers. It's taken CCP Four Years at least to get around to doing something about it. It was never a big task or particularly hard to implement, it's just that Devs seem to spend most of their time skyping their buddies in Goonswarm.
3. EveFest caused a rise in Plex prices. Argue all you want you can't change historical fact. They went up, this is what CCP are pushing for with their convuluted method of payment.
Personally, I'd much rather each alliance just pays a flat fee of $5,000. CCP can do all the wonders they want for the tournament and they can ship more of their goonswarm buddies over with the change for a nice drinking session or whatever it is they do while avoiding tackling game breaking (though not affecting Goonswarm so it's ok) bugs.
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