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moreleftergal
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Posted - 2009.05.17 23:24:00 -
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for about 70 mil, i have a ratting boat that puts out 700 dps with less ammo use, more pvp survivability, and leagues better agility than a raven. fitting a hulk-style tank allows me to tank a spawn as easily as i can with a raven.
hate to shoot myself in the foot with this one, but are we getting too much of a good thing with the new stealth bombers?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.05.17 23:46:00 -
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wait till npc frig scrambles you :)
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Chomapuraku
Caldari
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2009.05.18 00:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Deva Blackfire
wait till npc frig scrambles you :)
frig scrams
booster on
log off
profit!!
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Altair Mogwa
Amok.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:19:00 -
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Well, I think i understand your point, but using ratting as a base is a bit flawed. I really don't think ratting is the concern when CCP changes/balance a ship. As far as pvp balance i think they are good, you get that uber dmg but no tank, and you can't really speed tank like a ceptor to reduce damage.
People have been ratting in wolfs vs. Sansha for years, which sets you back maybe 35Mill after a nice fit. Not a reason to revamp AFs.
Hound with named AB, small clarity, TP II, 2x BCU II & an OD worked great for me when testing it out in stain. Was able to kill the frigs without much issue and without warping out.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.05.18 03:44:00 -
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Frigs die in 2 volleys if you TP them.
Elite frigs a bit more of a nuisance, but if you control range they go down before they ever touch you.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.05.18 03:50:00 -
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I wouldn't say they're "too" good. Decent would be a better chosen word.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.18 04:17:00 -
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Bomber damage is too high with 20% racial. 15% would've been more than enough. Otherwise, they shouldn't be as viable against cruisers and battlecruisers as they are. But that's a general class discrepancy with the weapon, not an issue with the Bomber itself.
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Tamahra
Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.05.18 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: moreleftergal
for about 70 mil, i have a ratting boat that puts out 700 dps with less ammo use, more pvp survivability, and leagues better agility than a raven. fitting a hulk-style tank allows me to tank a spawn as easily as i can with a raven.
hate to shoot myself in the foot with this one, but are we getting too much of a good thing with the new stealth bombers?
ok seriously. Stop this bulls.hit right now!! The sb has finally gotten a useful role, not to mention its alot of fun to rat in low sec with a stealthbomber.
why does some jackass now want to kill that fun for many??
some people can never be satisfied. at first they whine and moan that the stealthbomber has no useful role, and shortly after they complain about it having a useful role.
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Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Furies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 09:56:00 -
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stfu SB's are fine if you know how to use em don't ruin it with your negativity.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 09:59:00 -
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They are a bit overpowered but imo its not bad. They are paper thin anyways so situations in which they can apply damage safetly is still rare. And when they do - it hurts.
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Tuncan
Minmatar
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 11:03:00 -
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hahahah =)
you can rat in a rupture WTF are u talking about dude?
nice fit+proper skills
ratting is EZ.
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Terra Mikael
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.05.18 11:26:00 -
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lol
obvious troll, but entertaining
7/10
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:12:00 -
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You can safely Rat/L4 missions in just about anything. People have been using AF's for this for quite a while.
And BTW, once you factor in insurance, I think you'll find the Raven is still cheaper, and far more survivable.
You can just go afk in a room and your raven/dominix w/e will still be there. You can't really do that in an AF and SB's are even more fragile than AF's.
If you start seeing streams of SB's undocking from motsu instead of streams of CNR's, then you might have an issue :D
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Bomber damage is too high with 20% racial. 15% would've been more than enough. Otherwise, they shouldn't be as viable against cruisers and battlecruisers as they are. But that's a general class discrepancy with the weapon, not an issue with the Bomber itself.
WTB bomber with 20% damage bonus; the bonus got dropped to 15% before it went live.
Also, you will love your Stealth Bomber as a 'ratter until a BS-class 'rat gets a lucky Wrecking Hit and one-shots you. Not pretty. Needless to say, I went back to my Drake after that.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: moreleftergal
fitting a hulk-style tank allows me to tank a spawn as easily as i can with a raven.
Post that setup please. 
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moreleftergal
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: moreleftergal on 18/05/2009 16:47:36
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: moreleftergal
fitting a hulk-style tank allows me to tank a spawn as easily as i can with a raven.
Post that setup please.
gistii c-type booster, 2x racial passive hardeners, and one CCC.
anyways, i guess nothing's wrong. it's just a REALLY pve capable on top of its pvp utility.
if anything, the devs could hamstring its tanking abilities (gimp cap recharge and resists, for instance).
hmmm... for how well it tanks npc ravens, i wonder how well it tanks player ravens :P
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/05/2009 16:47:52
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Otherwise, they shouldn't be as viable against cruisers and battlecruisers as they are. But that's a general class discrepancy with the weapon, not an issue with the Bomber itself.
The bomber does have that nifty 50% bonus to exp vel, so it is also "an issue" with the bomber. Golem only gets 25%, Raven gets nothing.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:14:00 -
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what is this 700dps he speaks of? rage torps?
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
what is this 700dps he speaks of? rage torps?
A Purifier or Hound using racial Rage Torps, 3x damage mods, and one each damage/RoF rig does 687 EFT damage with max skills. A 'normal' character could easily break 700 if they overheated their launchers and/or used implants.
Of course, such a setup barely has CPU left over for painters, let alone any kind of shield tank or even a CovOps cloak. Not to mention that one of your best forms of tank, your low signature radius, gets compromised.
Something along the lines of 350-450 DPS is more reasonable if you assume room for tank, cloak, and less-than-perfect skills.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:33:00 -
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ah thats more in the line of my inexperienced bomber-eft'ing, thx
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:50:00 -
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NPCs have the general intelligence of a small gnat when it comes to strategy for now. So a small ship which can manoeuvre and avoid the majority of the damage due to its size is quite common. The same can be achieved in an assault frigate quite adequately for example without breaking a sweat though the bombers can definitely put out more damage against the battleships.
It is on our wishlist to eventually upgrade the old NPCs and not rely on the old trick of quantity over quality enemies. One day, they will be as smart as the sleepers if not smarter and compensate for your orbit at 50k and spam death shenanigans 
<evil cackle>Muhahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha</evil cackle>
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:22:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new npc overlords.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:42:00 -
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Well stealth bombers, assault frigs, interceptors, and well even t1 frigs can rat in 0.0. Maybe not the better sec systems but i havent tried that.
Stealth bombers are the better choice actually.
Assign 5 fighters. WIN!
Ratting in a battleship is rarely a good idea.
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: moreleftergal
for about 70 mil, i have a ratting boat that puts out 700 dps with less ammo use, more pvp survivability, and leagues better agility than a raven. fitting a hulk-style tank allows me to tank a spawn as easily as i can with a raven.
hate to shoot myself in the foot with this one, but are we getting too much of a good thing with the new stealth bombers?
Dear CCP, I have a found a fit for a ship that works pretty good. I have exagerated the numbers and facts ever so slightly to make you think its too good. Please nerf it cause I'm tired of getting killed by bombers.
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mire Stoude
Dear CCP, I have a found a fit for a ship that works pretty good. I have exagerated the numbers and facts ever so slightly to make you think its too good. Please nerf it cause I'm tired of getting killed by bombers.
LOL....
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msu320
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:43:00 -
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It is on our wishlist to eventually upgrade the old NPCs and not rely on the old trick of quantity over quality enemies. One day, they will be as smart as the sleepers if not smarter and compensate for your orbit at 50k and spam death shenanigans
Hmm, give them more abilities, great idea >:)
First they learn to retarget drones, be fitted with scrams/webs more often, and flank and the like. And before we know it the NPC's will be able to wardec, attack stations, contest sovereignty, and petition for lost ships :)
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Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis
NPCs have the general intelligence of a small gnat when it comes to strategy for now. So a small ship which can manoeuvre and avoid the majority of the damage due to its size is quite common. The same can be achieved in an assault frigate quite adequately for example without breaking a sweat though the bombers can definitely put out more damage against the battleships.
It is on our wishlist to eventually upgrade the old NPCs and not rely on the old trick of quantity over quality enemies. One day, they will be as smart as the sleepers if not smarter and compensate for your orbit at 50k and spam death shenanigans
<evil cackle>Muhahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha</evil cackle>
Please tell me this will not render my 7m SP in Drones nigh-useless as they currently are when fighting Sleepers.
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Maceross
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia
Please tell me this will not render my 7m SP in Drones nigh-useless as they currently are when fighting Sleepers.
Maybe CCP will be nice and give us a module that lets you rep drones that you have in your bay, or maybe they will let us use ewar on npcs like you can on players so you can jam em up and stop them from wasting your drones.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia
Please tell me this will not render my 7m SP in Drones nigh-useless as they currently are when fighting Sleepers.
Strange some of my mates tried to fight sleepers in a Dominix, and they pretty succeed, if u use drone wise it's possible to use them against sleepers, especially when u have several drone ships...
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LiNuXb0y
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.05.19 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
NPCs have the general intelligence of a small gnat when it comes to strategy for now. So a small ship which can manoeuvre and avoid the majority of the damage due to its size is quite common. The same can be achieved in an assault frigate quite adequately for example without breaking a sweat though the bombers can definitely put out more damage against the battleships.
It is on our wishlist to eventually upgrade the old NPCs and not rely on the old trick of quantity over quality enemies. One day, they will be as smart as the sleepers if not smarter and compensate for your orbit at 50k and spam death shenanigans
<evil cackle>Muhahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha</evil cackle>
Please tell me this will not render my 7m SP in Drones nigh-useless as they currently are when fighting Sleepers.
Of course it will be, you dont actually expect the dev's to think properly about changes do you?
there is 'fixing something truly broken' and 'we got bored lets change things for the sake of changing them'. Right now ccp is in the latter 
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