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Berilac
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Posted - 2004.09.07 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Berilac on 07/09/2004 07:48:26
The crusader cannot fit a rack of tech 2 medium pulse while a taranis can fit a rack of tech 2 ions and a claw can easily fit a rack of tech 2 250mm artillery.
Here are the stats and why they are wrong.
250mm: 13 cpu 9 grid
Medium Pulse: 17 cpu 12 grid
125mm Railgun: 17 cpu 8 grid
or for taranis blaster ships
Light Ion: 17cpu 6 grid
What is going on here?
Hybrids are suppose to be cpu intensive.
Projectiles are suppose to be powergrid intensive.
Lasers are suppose to be somewhere in the middle.
I have asked my leet claw/taranis friends and they have no problems handling there tech weapon variants.
We have to fit 2 power aux which robs us of 2 lowslots, and it doesnt end there cause then we have CPU issues because are guns use as much CPU as hybrids.
CCP please fix this in a hotfix, it is completely retarded.
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Berilac
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Posted - 2004.09.07 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Berilac on 07/09/2004 07:48:26
The crusader cannot fit a rack of tech 2 medium pulse while a taranis can fit a rack of tech 2 ions and a claw can easily fit a rack of tech 2 250mm artillery.
Here are the stats and why they are wrong.
250mm: 13 cpu 9 grid
Medium Pulse: 17 cpu 12 grid
125mm Railgun: 17 cpu 8 grid
or for taranis blaster ships
Light Ion: 17cpu 6 grid
What is going on here?
Hybrids are suppose to be cpu intensive.
Projectiles are suppose to be powergrid intensive.
Lasers are suppose to be somewhere in the middle.
I have asked my leet claw/taranis friends and they have no problems handling there tech weapon variants.
We have to fit 2 power aux which robs us of 2 lowslots, and it doesnt end there cause then we have CPU issues because are guns use as much CPU as hybrids.
CCP please fix this in a hotfix, it is completely retarded.
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.09.07 07:50:00 -
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Berilac, "Medium" lasers are the heaviest type a frigate can fit, your comparing the SECOND best of the other two types of turrets, to the BEST of the lasers cehck out the stats of dual light lasers tech 2, they will be comparable to the others.
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.09.07 07:50:00 -
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Berilac, "Medium" lasers are the heaviest type a frigate can fit, your comparing the SECOND best of the other two types of turrets, to the BEST of the lasers cehck out the stats of dual light lasers tech 2, they will be comparable to the others.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.07 07:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Qwertyifshag
Berilac, "Medium" lasers are the heaviest type a frigate can fit, your comparing the SECOND best of the other two types of turrets, to the BEST of the lasers cehck out the stats of dual light lasers tech 2, they will be comparable to the others.
A 250mm artillery is the 2nd highest projectile there is, 2nd only to the 280mm.
Same goes for the 125mm rail, the 150 is the only thing above it.
Again the same works for the Ion blaster, the Neutron is the only thing better.
A medium pulse is second to the medium beam.
They are just named stupid, don't let that confuse you, they are frig guns.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.07 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Qwertyifshag
Berilac, "Medium" lasers are the heaviest type a frigate can fit, your comparing the SECOND best of the other two types of turrets, to the BEST of the lasers cehck out the stats of dual light lasers tech 2, they will be comparable to the others.
A 250mm artillery is the 2nd highest projectile there is, 2nd only to the 280mm.
Same goes for the 125mm rail, the 150 is the only thing above it.
Again the same works for the Ion blaster, the Neutron is the only thing better.
A medium pulse is second to the medium beam.
They are just named stupid, don't let that confuse you, they are frig guns.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
A medium pulse is second to the medium beam.
They are just named stupid, don't let that confuse you, they are frig guns.
Incorrect, the Medium Pulse is the short range weapon, it is NOT second to the medium beam. Dual Light Beam is second to the Medium Beam, as Dual Light Pulse is second to Medium Pulse.
Saying Medium Pulse is second to Medium Beam is like trying to say the 200mm Autocannon is second to the 280mm Howitzer, or the Neutron Blaster is second to the 150mm railgun - quite ludicrous.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
A medium pulse is second to the medium beam.
They are just named stupid, don't let that confuse you, they are frig guns.
Incorrect, the Medium Pulse is the short range weapon, it is NOT second to the medium beam. Dual Light Beam is second to the Medium Beam, as Dual Light Pulse is second to Medium Pulse.
Saying Medium Pulse is second to Medium Beam is like trying to say the 200mm Autocannon is second to the 280mm Howitzer, or the Neutron Blaster is second to the 150mm railgun - quite ludicrous.
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:00:00 -
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lol meridus, try out a dual light pulse 
That's comparable to the ion blaster, and 250mm for fitting.
The medium "Pulse" is still the largest PULSE energy weapon available, so therefore the same fitting requirements as the other TOP guns.
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:00:00 -
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lol meridus, try out a dual light pulse
That's comparable to the ion blaster, and 250mm for fitting.
The medium "Pulse" is still the largest PULSE energy weapon available, so therefore the same fitting requirements as the other TOP guns.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:09:00 -
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Correct. The Ion version of the Pulse laser variety is the dual light pulse laser.
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Reopened 
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:09:00 -
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Correct. The Ion version of the Pulse laser variety is the dual light pulse laser.
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Reopened
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.09.08 10:41:00 -
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Silly me forgot to unlock it 
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.09.08 10:41:00 -
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Silly me forgot to unlock it
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
A 250mm artillery is the 2nd highest projectile there is, 2nd only to the 280mm.
Same goes for the 125mm rail, the 150 is the only thing above it.
Again the same works for the Ion blaster, the Neutron is the only thing better.
A medium pulse is second to the medium beam.
They are just named stupid, don't let that confuse you, they are frig guns.
Gah, wrong the 150 and the neutron blaster are both above the 125 rail gun. So basicly the 150 is comparable to the medium beam and the neutron blaster is comparable to the medium pulse (most dmg'ing long range gun and most dmg'ing short range gun).
And yes projs (mainly autocannons) got really low fitting reqs, but dont worry as a minmatar you just fit ions instead of 200's because 200's are just like peeshooters.
And medium pulse is the best short range beam, not the second best long range beam (which is the dual Light Beam Laser).
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
A 250mm artillery is the 2nd highest projectile there is, 2nd only to the 280mm.
Same goes for the 125mm rail, the 150 is the only thing above it.
Again the same works for the Ion blaster, the Neutron is the only thing better.
A medium pulse is second to the medium beam.
They are just named stupid, don't let that confuse you, they are frig guns.
Gah, wrong the 150 and the neutron blaster are both above the 125 rail gun. So basicly the 150 is comparable to the medium beam and the neutron blaster is comparable to the medium pulse (most dmg'ing long range gun and most dmg'ing short range gun).
And yes projs (mainly autocannons) got really low fitting reqs, but dont worry as a minmatar you just fit ions instead of 200's because 200's are just like peeshooters.
And medium pulse is the best short range beam, not the second best long range beam (which is the dual Light Beam Laser).
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Minyon
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Minyon on 08/09/2004 11:42:05
What we realy need to fix the tech2 fiting problemsn would be a tech2 aux power core that would add 15 power then tech2 guns would fit.
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Minyon
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Minyon on 08/09/2004 11:42:05
What we realy need to fix the tech2 fiting problemsn would be a tech2 aux power core that would add 15 power then tech2 guns would fit.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 08/09/2004 12:11:50
Originally by: Minyon
Edited by: Minyon on 08/09/2004 11:42:05
What we realy need to fix the tech2 fiting problemsn would be a tech2 aux power core that would add 15 power then tech2 guns would fit.
Actually im assuming that some advanced engineering skill that gives +2% per lvl will be there sooner then t2 micro auxes, that would atleast fix my claw fittings (currently my setup comes 3 pg short with 3 t2 280s (or faction loot 280's for that matter), while it fits with 3 t1 280's.
But tech2 micro auxes (or small auxes, if they dont take alot more cpu) would do the the trick as well. Also t2 micro auxes would most likely need energy management5 (sure it is a usefull skill but my mem/int sucks).
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 08/09/2004 12:11:50
Originally by: Minyon
Edited by: Minyon on 08/09/2004 11:42:05
What we realy need to fix the tech2 fiting problemsn would be a tech2 aux power core that would add 15 power then tech2 guns would fit.
Actually im assuming that some advanced engineering skill that gives +2% per lvl will be there sooner then t2 micro auxes, that would atleast fix my claw fittings (currently my setup comes 3 pg short with 3 t2 280s (or faction loot 280's for that matter), while it fits with 3 t1 280's.
But tech2 micro auxes (or small auxes, if they dont take alot more cpu) would do the the trick as well. Also t2 micro auxes would most likely need energy management5 (sure it is a usefull skill but my mem/int sucks).
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:37:00 -
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while we're on the subject, i'd like to whine, *****, and generally complain too:
the crow CANNOT fit 3 tech 2 missile launchers. in fact, i'm hard pressed to even fit one. now, you might say (i doubt it, but some poeple might) "Why can he not do this?" the answer is this - we dont even have tech 2 launchers yet, so stop complaining!
oh, back on topic for a moment... as has been pointed out, your not comparing the right weapons, so please just stop :)
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:37:00 -
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while we're on the subject, i'd like to whine, *****, and generally complain too:
the crow CANNOT fit 3 tech 2 missile launchers. in fact, i'm hard pressed to even fit one. now, you might say (i doubt it, but some poeple might) "Why can he not do this?" the answer is this - we dont even have tech 2 launchers yet, so stop complaining!
oh, back on topic for a moment... as has been pointed out, your not comparing the right weapons, so please just stop :)
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:45:00 -
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I would wager that the Medium Pulse still takes more fitting than the 200mm and the Ion? Blaster.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:45:00 -
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I would wager that the Medium Pulse still takes more fitting than the 200mm and the Ion? Blaster.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
I would wager that the Medium Pulse still takes more fitting than the 200mm and the Ion? Blaster.
Yep. I'm done trying to prove that the medium pulse is the ion blasters counterpart. It's obvious.
I mean, look at how they have been released as well. Ion blaster 2's came out this week, and so did medium pulse 2's! 250mm 2's also came out this week...i'm not sure about 200mm 2's.
Neutron blaster 2's, medium beam 2's, and 280mm 2's will be the last to come out because they are the highest class frigate weapons.
It's not me releasing BPOs in this succession, it's CCP.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
I would wager that the Medium Pulse still takes more fitting than the 200mm and the Ion? Blaster.
Yep. I'm done trying to prove that the medium pulse is the ion blasters counterpart. It's obvious.
I mean, look at how they have been released as well. Ion blaster 2's came out this week, and so did medium pulse 2's! 250mm 2's also came out this week...i'm not sure about 200mm 2's.
Neutron blaster 2's, medium beam 2's, and 280mm 2's will be the last to come out because they are the highest class frigate weapons.
It's not me releasing BPOs in this succession, it's CCP.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:54:00 -
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that would in fact be the light neutron II i think (largest of the frigate blasters, like med pulse thingy is best of the frig pulses.). which weighs in at a mere 22 CPU and 13 PG. so umm... thats more, yeh :P
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:54:00 -
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that would in fact be the light neutron II i think (largest of the frigate blasters, like med pulse thingy is best of the frig pulses.). which weighs in at a mere 22 CPU and 13 PG. so umm... thats more, yeh :P
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:29:00 -
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for each turret type there is two specialization skills.
for lasers its beam and pulse
for projectiles its artillery and autocannon
for hybrids its railguns and blasters
this we all know to be true.
so meridius there is a class of lasers called beams, and pulse lasers are not in that class anywhere, they are in a class of there own, and medium pulse II are the top of the t2 tier for pulse.
if you want to compare medium pulse and 200mm fitting requirements, compare their optimal ranges and damage mods as well. then compare dot of a claw with 200mm vs the dot of a crusader with 4 dual light pulse.
you will see why claws get to run 3 so called big guns, they hit for peanuts.
crusaders get taxed badly when not running the correct guns. try duals, they are in game for a reason.
and please keep your charm to yourself. i am not posting here to "troll" for your insults. thanks in advance.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:29:00 -
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for each turret type there is two specialization skills.
for lasers its beam and pulse
for projectiles its artillery and autocannon
for hybrids its railguns and blasters
this we all know to be true.
so meridius there is a class of lasers called beams, and pulse lasers are not in that class anywhere, they are in a class of there own, and medium pulse II are the top of the t2 tier for pulse.
if you want to compare medium pulse and 200mm fitting requirements, compare their optimal ranges and damage mods as well. then compare dot of a claw with 200mm vs the dot of a crusader with 4 dual light pulse.
you will see why claws get to run 3 so called big guns, they hit for peanuts.
crusaders get taxed badly when not running the correct guns. try duals, they are in game for a reason.
and please keep your charm to yourself. i am not posting here to "troll" for your insults. thanks in advance.
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