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Galen Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Keitoshi Yamada
Edited by: Keitoshi Yamada on 20/05/2009 22:58:37
We don't want a command ship that can haul as its secondary use.
We want a small freighter.
Orca != Small Freighter
Orca = Sub-capital Industrial Command Ship
Freighter (800m ISK) = Hauling/Freighting skills
Orca (450m ISK) = Mining/Leadership skills
Small Freighter (100-300m ISK) = Hauling/Freighting skills
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As for the hauling of rigged ships...
I think it's about time for us to have a Ship Freighter with NOTHING but a Ship Maintenance Bay...
Ya I would also be for a ship that could haul fitted ships only.
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
Lords Of Kaos
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Posted - 2009.06.03 03:38:00 -
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i dont want this to die
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Izo Alabaster
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.06.03 05:22:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Try to move something that is above 100K in size.
I did. It fit just fine into my Obelisk.
Seriously, you want a small, medium, medium-large, large, X-large, and capital freighter in this game?
Face it, you've got a small freighter, and it has industrial mining bonuses to boot. If you don't like it, get a freighter.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:04:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Izo Alabaster
I did. It fit just fine into my Obelisk.
Leaving way more than two thirds of it empty.
Great.
Why would it hurt you so much if CCP introduced a medium-sized cargo hauler? |
Solo Player
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Posted - 2009.06.03 13:47:00 -
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Supporting this, especially assuming that your ptoposed solution would be something along the lines that were posted further down, being:
ca. 200k isk
ca. 100k cargo
hardly any slots
no funky bonus
requires advanced hauling skills
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.06.03 13:51:00 -
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I never understood the massive gap between a t1 industrial and a full freighter.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity
Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.03 21:23:00 -
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I agree. I've looked at this for ages, and wondered: why? Is it because of falcon or does it have something to do with the fact that you can't open gsc's in a corp hangar?
50-250k cargo space. Less skill requirements than a freighter, less cost. Orca is more skill intensive than a freighter, which is ******ed for a "small" freighter. What about people who don't want to mine? They have to train mining skills too now?
As if logistics guys aren't miserable enough as it is.
/Signed
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William Caldon
Caldari
Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2009.06.03 21:42:00 -
[38]
Why do we need a mini-freighter?
Answer me just that question.
(NO, "natural progression" is not a good answer)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.04 04:52:00 -
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How can you have less skill requirements than a freighter, but more skill requirements than an industrial?
Industrial V -> Advanced Spaceship Command -> Freighter.
On the other hand, a ship of similar mass to an Orca that has a higher cargo-volume-to-mass ratio than an Occator would be quite nice for folks exploiting w-space.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity
Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.04 08:04:00 -
[40]
Originally by: William Caldon
Why do we need a mini-freighter?
Answer me just that question.
(NO, "natural progression" is not a good answer)
Because 1 billion is a lot of isk for newer players, and a freighter has more cargo space than most people need. A freighter is also incredibly slow. I could easily afford a freighter right now, but it's pointless. I'm better off doing several trips with a smaller ship.
Training for an Orca is pointless for me, as I don't mine very often, and I use a battleship when I mine. Training mining barge to lvl5 is absolutely pointless for my needs, and training mining foreman is even more pointless, as I hardly ever go on mining ops, and if I do, I'll be there as protection, not a hauler or miner.
What do I need a smaller freighter for? Because my alliance m8s don't wanna fly their JF to where I have my ships/equipment for pickup, so I need to move my stuff to where they have the JF parked. When I want 2-3 BS moved 20+ jumps, it becomes a pain. The best I could do is an Iteron V with cargo expanders, but then I'm still just able to move one at a time.
So what I need, is a ship with 100-250k cargo space. Besides, why should we NOT have small freighters? Why/how would it be game breaking? Because freighter sales will go down? I don't see a problem with that. Freighters still have their uses, like building outposts, moving capital assembly arrays etc.
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.13 01:48:00 -
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This is missing ingame |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.13 02:33:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Fille Balle
Originally by: William Caldon
Why do we need a mini-freighter?
Answer me just that question.
(NO, "natural progression" is not a good answer)
Because 1 billion is a lot of isk for newer players, and a freighter has more cargo space than most people need. A freighter is also incredibly slow. I could easily afford a freighter right now, but it's pointless. I'm better off doing several trips with a smaller ship.
Training for an Orca is pointless for me, as I don't mine very often, and I use a battleship when I mine. Training mining barge to lvl5 is absolutely pointless for my needs, and training mining foreman is even more pointless, as I hardly ever go on mining ops, and if I do, I'll be there as protection, not a hauler or miner.
What do I need a smaller freighter for? Because my alliance m8s don't wanna fly their JF to where I have my ships/equipment for pickup, so I need to move my stuff to where they have the JF parked. When I want 2-3 BS moved 20+ jumps, it becomes a pain. The best I could do is an Iteron V with cargo expanders, but then I'm still just able to move one at a time.
So what I need, is a ship with 100-250k cargo space. Besides, why should we NOT have small freighters? Why/how would it be game breaking? Because freighter sales will go down? I don't see a problem with that. Freighters still have their uses, like building outposts, moving capital assembly arrays etc.
Unfortunately, your justification is that you your unable to solo-move your corp's logistics. I'm sorry, but is the only reason anyone wants one is for solo-moving things?
Unless there is a valid reason beyond: "I can't do solo" logistics, I can't support it. There needs to be a more substantial role for this ship. No ship in this game has been designed for "solo-things" ever.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:55:00 -
[43]
Iteron 5 or Orca. Pick one. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:20:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/06/2009 15:21:08
Originally by: Fille Balle
Originally by: William Caldon
Why do we need a mini-freighter?
Answer me just that question.
(NO, "natural progression" is not a good answer)
Because 1 billion is a lot of isk for newer players, and a freighter has more cargo space than most people need. A freighter is also incredibly slow. I could easily afford a freighter right now, but it's pointless. I'm better off doing several trips with a smaller ship.
Training for an Orca is pointless for me, as I don't mine very often, and I use a battleship when I mine. Training mining barge to lvl5 is absolutely pointless for my needs, and training mining foreman is even more pointless, as I hardly ever go on mining ops, and if I do, I'll be there as protection, not a hauler or miner.
What do I need a smaller freighter for? Because my alliance m8s don't wanna fly their JF to where I have my ships/equipment for pickup, so I need to move my stuff to where they have the JF parked. When I want 2-3 BS moved 20+ jumps, it becomes a pain. The best I could do is an Iteron V with cargo expanders, but then I'm still just able to move one at a time.
So what I need, is a ship with 100-250k cargo space. Besides, why should we NOT have small freighters? Why/how would it be game breaking? Because freighter sales will go down? I don't see a problem with that. Freighters still have their uses, like building outposts, moving capital assembly arrays etc.
You will never get the perfect hauler let alone the perfect ship.
Adapt or die... simple as that.
The Orca is not designed to be a hauler... although it can fulfill that job quite well.
Your also mistakening it as a mining ship... it doesn't mine at all in fact... unless you use mining drones. It has only 3 high slots and no turret slots... which are required for mining lasers let alone strip miners.
Its an Command ship... hence the skill book required for it. You show up... drop anchor... and ganglink your mining crew... and sit back and watch the rock roll in.
Being the Roqual's smaller brother... minus the jump drive, clone bay, and other neat tools... same principle and idea.
If anything you'd be more productive that just standing guard : O P
Try doing a bit of research before you start railing on something you don't know anything about.
Train up freighter... get the billion ISK And you'll be be able to haul to your harts content. Takes less time as well.
Now whether you want to fly a giant cargo can in lowsec 0.0 is up to you.
JF's are not as large as they appear either.... freighters can hold about 8 to 900k m^3
JF's only hold around 350 to 400k due to the fact they have a large jump drive.
This I recently discovered as I'm tooling myself to fly one. |
Photon Ceray
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Posted - 2009.06.14 12:49:00 -
[45]
we NEED a ship that is middle line between an itty V and a freighter, 200-500k.
it has to be FASTER than freighter ofc, and better let us be able to modify it as in more cargo space = muuuuuch slower, so if I want it to haul just 150k it'll be relatively fast, if I put it up to 500k it'll be much slower.
cargo expanders do that job tbh.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.06.17 01:34:00 -
[46]
Supported!
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.17 05:30:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Photon Ceray
we NEED a ship that is middle line between an itty V and a freighter, 200-500k.
There is! Its called a Jump Freighter!
Oh... wait. |
Miyamoto Uroki
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.17 06:04:00 -
[48]
Agreed. My issue with the orca is, that I don't wanna skill a ****load of mining skills just for the purpose of hauling.
Not all haulers are miner or mining alts. Don't force us to skill the mining branch just to use a ship between industrial and freighter (which I both can fly without mining skills..)
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Imiom Ravena
CBD Capsuleer Division
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Posted - 2009.06.17 07:43:00 -
[49]
Thumbs up for hauling.
It would make a great next step for newer haulers such as myself to be able to handle bigger cargo loads without having to find a way to sc**** together the full cost of a freighter. |
AtheistOfDoom
Amarr
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.17 23:17:00 -
[50]
So you want a half freighter? ORCA. or if youre lazy use a normal freighter and train your nav skills past 1.
And then, he killed the dog... |
Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2009.06.18 05:38:00 -
[51]
What about this:
Change skills required to fly the ship. The mining skills that are listed will need to be trained in order to use the ship as a command ship regardless. However if all you want to do is use it as a freighter, those skills are pointless. Then you don't need a new ship, and you don't have to change this ship at all.
Instead of Industrial Command Ships I
Just change it to
Advanced Spaceship Command I ( or II, but that way it's the same skill required for freighters ): Tie the 5% cargo capacity boost to this skill, but leave all the other ship bonuses tied to Industrial Command ships so that people who have already trained the other skill don't lose that skills purpose.
tralala
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:00:00 -
[52]
up |
Bogu D
Clans of the Sanctums
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:04:00 -
[53]
This topic seems to pop up once a month. I've an idea in the past that would further enhance the Orca and widen it's possible use.
Orca - Dry Dock bay module
Using the same principle as described in the link above you could do the same with an XL cargo expander module and the Orca into a mini freighter. |
Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.05 19:55:00 -
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.07.06 09:59:00 -
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2009.07.06 13:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Zastrow J
I never understood the massive gap between a t1 industrial and a full freighter.
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Dev Rom
Extreme Solutions
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Posted - 2009.07.14 11:19:00 -
[57]
supported
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.14 19:26:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 14/07/2009 19:30:55
Idea makes sence? Yes
Would it be hard to implement? No
Any negative efects from this change? No
Would it be good for me personally? Yes
Quote:
You will never get the perfect hauler let alone the perfect ship.
Adapt or die... simple as that.
Do counter arguments make sence? NO
Conclusion: Full suport.
That's the reason we had mining barges introuced eve though pople could mine in battleships with 8 mining lasers and mining upgrades.
Give us smaller versions of freighters. Makes perfet sence o me
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.14 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
Well I woudnt mind smaller brother of freighter in the price range of Orca, but as a his big brother without any slots for fit or rigs.
Sure, why not, and then can we get one that is in-between the in-between? And maybe one that is in-between the in-between that is bigger than the other one?
What kind of idiot suggestion is this?
How about we get a completely different hauler for each m3 out there? Stop being lazy people!!!
Oh wait, wait! Can I get a hauler that can jump without a cyno, be unlockable, have a DD on it, rapidly generates isk when I afk, makes me invisible in local...
Get a grip people, there are more important things that need to be addressed than some smaller than a normal freighter but bigger than an Orca garbage.
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Victor Maximus
Wormholes Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.07.15 00:10:00 -
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As someone with a freighter, orca, transports and T1 haulers I see absolutely no need for a mini freighter to fill a non-existent gap. What we have already does the job well enough. All of the complaints I have seen so far about the orca is that they don't want to train the mining skills. I sympathize but the train is really not that long and a little diversity is not a bad thing.
If we need anything it would be a way to haul rigged battleships around and there have already been several clever suggestions for ways to make our current ships fill those needs (Modules that convert cargo hold to ship maintenance array capacity for both the orca and freighter/JF)
-Vic
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