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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Lecherito
I would be more than happy to provide my API key to a reputable individual.
-L
Not a difficult concept to understand, yah? Though it seems you can't check someone's EvEmail through the API, so I have to ask, what interest do you have in acquiring mine?
If your intentions were noble then surely, considering you're working with the public's billions, you would be interested in displaying even the faintest bit of professionalism, yah? Can you honestly say, right now, that you're not out to scam? I find it extremely indicative of your true intentions that you haven't once attempted to reassure investors that their funds are safe and in good hands. I don't suppose that this is your feeble attempt at making it into the eve scammer archives, a la CT and Riethe? If so, poor form, mate. Very poor form.
-L
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:36:00 -
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You were good, Riethe, real good. But as long as I'm around you'll always be the second best.
Black Sun Empire |
Dzil
Caldari
Second Quadrant Ice Division
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:38:00 -
[33]
Unless Lecherito wants to prove the Amish guy is on YGR/LRN's account - which is possible I suppose, but these days most of MD runs multiple accounts.
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Dzil
Caldari
Second Quadrant Ice Division
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:41:00 -
[34]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
You were good, Riethe, real good. But as long as I'm around you'll always be the second best.
This thread could be headed towards epic...
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:42:00 -
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I've received corporation evemails from Amishparadise, and someone told me that said character was mentioned on the page of the first bond, so he is surely a part of the operation. So I guess the question is: What now?
-L
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Dzil
Caldari
Second Quadrant Ice Division
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:46:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Lecherito
Originally by: Lecherito
I don't suppose that this is your feeble attempt at making it into the eve scammer archives, a la CT and Riethe? If so, poor form, mate. Very poor form.
-L
Don't forget Armoured C... I mean he raked MD over the coals!
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:53:00 -
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Does anyone remember how much of the public's funds he was given to work with?
-L
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Yarden Tajj
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:00:00 -
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this is rather confusing.
references are made to previous scammers by both parties, who's CT?
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Kypud
Zeus Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:29:00 -
[39]
Total - 38.9B
I am worried.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Yarden Tajj
this is rather confusing.
references are made to previous scammers by both parties, who's CT?
Beats me. Ask Riethe, I mean Lecherito. 
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:40:00 -
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Just wanted to note that if Lecherito is Riethe he is extremely good at roleplaying.
The two have no similarities in convo style or posting style in my experience.
I find the claim a bit wild.. (but not impossible should time prove me wrong)
- Money is Love -
Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways.
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Mme Pinkerton
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:40:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Lecherito
Not a difficult concept to understand, yah? Though it seems you can't check someone's EvEmail through the API, so I have to ask, what interest do you have in acquiring mine?
As you seem to be absolutely unable to use eve-search.com and just asked the second time today for the Currin Trading story in scc-lounge, you might want to tell us how you lost 0.5 Mio SP in 5 days and why you did delete the "Jitita"-alt before raising any further concerns/accusations.
03/05 - 2.7+ Mio SP
03/10 - 2.2 Mio SP
perhaps it would indeed be not such a bad idea for some "reputable individual" to show up....
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:27:00 -
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My brain hurts. Could someone explain what is happening in this thread?
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
My brain hurts. Could someone explain what is happening in this thread?
As near as I can tell YouGotRipped is back off his meds and once again delighting in suggesting he's scamming. All this has happened before and all this will happen again. I'm just waiting for him to break out his bastardized copy of my signature....
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:37:00 -
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Let me put it this way: if the result of the vote is "Liquidate" you're all in deep ****.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: corestwo on 19/05/2009 21:38:11
You've also got YGR and this other guy who I've not heard of (not that it means much) tag-teaming to suggest that Lecherito is an alt of some (in)famous scammer or another. Who knows what it has to do with the matter at hand, which is likely to end in a nicely sized scam.
Good drama. :popcorn:
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Sir Elliot
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:41:00 -
[47]
Can we get a C/D on LRN, YGR and AmishParadise all belonging to the same person?
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Dzil
Caldari
Second Quadrant Ice Division
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Posted - 2009.05.19 22:12:00 -
[48]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Let me put it this way: if the result of the vote is "Liquidate" you're all in deep ****.
No - not all of us - one is going to make off with some discount BPOs.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.05.19 22:54:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kypud
Total - 38.9B
I am worried.
Note that many of the second phase of investors took the offer on the buyback after a few months, Myself included in that bunch.
As far as I know, we received our funds back with interest to the date of buyback.
While I think LRN/YGR is slightly unhinged, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Reithe.
This screwball from left field doing the accusations though, that fits right in with Reithe 100%. |
Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.19 23:29:00 -
[50]
Firstly, apologies for my brief leave of absence. In response to one personÆs quesitonable criticism, and in part to satiate my own curiosity, I have spent the last two hours conducting my own research pertaining to the matter of LRNÆs budding scam, and the historical references which have been and continue to be made. After pouring through the archives, I believe I am finally starting to realize what is going on.
There exists, I am sure, some social anomaly amongst those who enjoy the act of scamming otherwise honest individuals. They are, by in large, a minority, in both New Eden and in real life, as is evidenced by the plethora of ônobleö pod pilots against a disproportionate number of ôscammersö. These individuals take pleasure, not only in parting honest people from their hard earned wealth, but struggle with the urge to compete and outdo others of their kin.
Two names have been continuously thrown around, during this debacle, and they are Currin Trader and Rhiethe. Currin Trader admits in his blog that he was first drawn to Eve after reading of the Guiding Hand exploits. Not only that, but he joined with the intention of surpassing said group both in terms of damage inflicted and in notoriety achieved.
Reading through the Adieu post of Riethe and the engrossing manifesto of CT, it has become more than apparent that LRN/YGR/AP (Do not forget, theyÆre all the same person) is one such individual. The way they think and react to adverse situations is eerily similar, enough to very nearly suggest that Riethe, CT, and the LRN-crew are all the same person.
As you can see from page one of the thread, my first response only echoed the sentiments of previous posters. Simply put, I had made note of LRNÆs erratic behavior and bi-polar decision making, as had I noticed yet an *additional* request for further funding, signaling every red light in my young but rapidly maturing marketeer instincts. To this statement he responded with a subtle ôEnd of truce. IÆm going to shoot down your characters one by oneö. He has also sent me an evemail with the message, ôYou seem to be a clever individual, Lecherito. So what do you think of the names Currin Trading and Riethe?ö.
At this juncture I had never heard of these two names before. A quick appeal to the SCC channel indicated that they were two notorious scammers from a time long since passed. One individual even pointed out that my name, Lecherito, is very nearly an anagram of ôOle Riethe,ö possibly a name by which Riethe used to go or was later attributed. At this point in time I am not sure.
One thing that is sure is that LRN/YGR/APÆs intentions are far, far from noble. He has flat out refused to comment on the scamming allegations presented on the forum. Furthermore, his erratic tendencies have increased in both extremity and aggressiveness, indicating that he is quickly losing control of an already volatile situation. He has thus, I believe, realized that his days are numbers, and in accordance with all the ôgreatö scammers who have come before him, is attempting to milk the situation for as much drama as possible, before waltzing off with our hard earned, naively invested isk.
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.19 23:29:00 -
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It has been mentioned that he has successfully garnered close to 40 billion isk from the public. I simply cannot fathom how so few of us, considering the massive amount of capital entrusted to this operation, have managed to come forward on the forums. I have updated my finances with this investment going down as a loss, and I urge others to do the same.
It is more than clear LRN/AP/YGR believes me to be a long since vanished scammer, though I must deny this accusation. I maintain my previous offer to supply a reputable individual with my API to confirm this. As I mentioned above, it is my belief that LRN/AP/YGR knows full well that the days until his imminent exile are quickly running dry. Also, considering whom he thinks me to be, it also seems apparent that he firmly believes that I am attempting to sabotage his scamming efforts, so as to remain the ôsecond best scammerö in EvE history.
I would urge the people who invested in this operation to take a critical look at LRNÆs initial proposal. Like many of you, I was wooed by the masses that had pledged their good faith in him, and barely looked to his actual proposition for examination. Upon additional scrutiny, I realized that he had detailed absolutely no business plan whatsoever. Forty billion isk invested in someone with absolutely no business plan of which to speak. How does that happen? It happens because we fail to learn from our mistakes. Though I have only recently starting my career in EvE, I have spent countless hours poring through the archives of historical scams, largescale and small. One thing is clear to me. Loads of things have changed as New Eden has evolved throughout the years. Investors and their tendencies, however, have surely not.
I have contacted the one individual to whom we all should have listened prior. From the very beginning he has warned us of LRN/PA/YGRÆs dubious past and erratic posting history. I have asked him to make an appearance in this thread, something he told me he would try and do. While I am disappointed by the egregiously evident loss of my isk, the nanve part of me hopes that the MD community will learn something from this experience. Yes, I am a fool for hope.
-L
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.19 23:34:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Lecherito on 20/05/2009 00:04:06
And to Kazzac,
I'm not sure who you are, but if those comments were indeed about me, do you reckon you could include just a bit of content behind your criticism? Possibly by informing me how, given the information at hand, my accusations are unfounded?
-L
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.05.19 23:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Lecherito
And to Kazzac,
I'm not sure who you are, but if those comments were indeed about me, do you reckon you could include just a bit of content behind your criticism? Possibly be informing me how, given the information at hand, my accusations are unfounded?
-L
I didn't say they were unfounded, I said I wouldn't put him in the same category and that he comes across unhinged. |
Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.05.19 23:46:00 -
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*Deviation from discussion of scam*
Lecherito, I realize that you are a loquacious person, but if at all possible could you avoid writing up small essays? I applaud you for making an intellectual effort but clarity and brevity are nice too.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lecherito
There exists, I am sure, some social anomaly amongst those who enjoy the act of scamming otherwise honest individuals. They are, by in large, a minority, in both New Eden and in real life, as is evidenced by the plethora of ônobleö pod pilots against a disproportionate number of ôscammersö. These individuals take pleasure, not only in parting honest people from their hard earned wealth, but struggle with the urge to compete and outdo others of their kin.
You seem to think that the man is good by nature, I, on the other hand think that men are forged by education and by choice. When education (or law) forces choices, individuals try to chose in another direction when the conditionings are not present (ie a game).
Can you point out what the anomaly is? Perhaps choosing in another direction seems like an anomaly to you, because education crippled your ability to make choices, conditioning your acts.
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The way they think and react to adverse situations is eerily similar, enough to very nearly suggest that Riethe, CT, and the LRN-crew are all the same person.
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It is more than clear LRN/AP/YGR believes me to be a long since vanished scammer, though I must deny this accusation.
How could he be the same person and believe that you are them? Only way would be you being him and all of you being them. (Not saying that you are, however).
Also, could you answer this?
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As you seem to be absolutely unable to use eve-search.com and just asked the second time today for the Currin Trading story in scc-lounge, you might want to tell us how you lost 0.5 Mio SP in 5 days and why you did delete the "Jitita"-alt before raising any further concerns/accusations.
03/05 - 2.7+ Mio SP
03/10 - 2.2 Mio SP
Just for curiosity, I have no money invested on you, you know.
PS: Don't take my words too hardly, I enjoy philosophing from time to time and pointing out logic flaws. :)
@YGR
So... what will it be? Make the choice and let us know, please.
Also I would apreciate if you back your acusations with reasoning if you're serious about them, or shut up if you're not.
EVE Knowledge
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.20 00:57:00 -
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Quote:
As you seem to be absolutely unable to use eve-search.com and just asked the second time today for the Currin Trading story in scc-lounge, you might want to tell us how you lost 0.5 Mio SP in 5 days and why you did delete the "Jitita"-alt before raising any further concerns/accusations.
Sure thing. About the searching on eve-search.com, I much prefer to hear accounts of historical events through the tales of the individuals who have lived through them, and then later comparing their accounts to the actual recorded information available.
0.5 mio sp in 5 days...I'm actually not sure what this means? I lost .5 million SP in 5 days? I've surely never lost SP due to being podded, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Jitita was a temporary toon, an experimental alt, created to monitor the prices in Jita (I certainly hope the name alone gives that away). When I stopped importing from Jita and later learned I was to move to Jita, the toon became obsolete, and was promptly deleted. Obviously said toon has no relevance in anything I've posted. Does that answer your questions?
-L
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.20 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lecherito
Quote:
As you seem to be absolutely unable to use eve-search.com and just asked the second time today for the Currin Trading story in scc-lounge, you might want to tell us how you lost 0.5 Mio SP in 5 days and why you did delete the "Jitita"-alt before raising any further concerns/accusations.
Sure thing. About the searching on eve-search.com, I much prefer to hear accounts of historical events through the tales of the individuals who have lived through them, and then later comparing their accounts to the actual recorded information available.
0.5 mio sp in 5 days...I'm actually not sure what this means? I lost .5 million SP in 5 days? I've surely never lost SP due to being podded, so I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Jitita was a temporary toon, an experimental alt, created to monitor the prices in Jita (I certainly hope the name alone gives that away). When I stopped importing from Jita and later learned I was to move to Jita, the toon became obsolete, and was promptly deleted. Obviously said toon has no relevance in anything I've posted. Does that answer your questions?
-L
Thanks but we'd rather have a look at that API key.
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.20 01:04:00 -
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Mate, you're a scammer. Why on earth would I supply you with my API key?
-L
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.20 01:06:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Lecherito
Mate, you're a scammer. Why on earth would I supply you with my API key?
-L
I rest my case.
Black Sun Empire |
Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.05.20 01:08:00 -
[60]
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case?
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